jamieholmes - Posted - 04/07/2009:  14:08:20

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Is there any one who knows a god way to teach you're self notes via the internet?.
I learned a bit years ago so latly I have been trying to learn because
I wanna be able to learn fiddle tunes easier.

Thanks
Jamie.

Pirate by heart.

tiquose - Posted - 04/07/2009:  14:15:54

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Jamie, using Google you can search for the following (without the quote marks, of course): "learn to read music".

All sorts of stuff will come up. Here's one place: http://www.tutorials.com/09/0917/09177.asp

Janet
"Curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought it back." -my grandmother, Bertha Morgan Nelson

jamieholmes - Posted - 04/07/2009:  15:12:02

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Thanks I so need to learn this.

Pirate by heart.

JohnnaDee - Posted - 04/07/2009:  18:50:53

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Hi, I think that a site like this is helpful for those who already play...the notes are there with the fingers above. Just the notes, though....no rhythms.

Johnna

oops, sorry

http://www.violinonline.com/fingeringchart.htm

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Edited by - JohnnaDee on 04/07/2009 18:51:33

jamieholmes - Posted - 04/08/2009:  00:52:57

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Hey Johnna thanks alot.
I must admit that it looks mutch more easy to get started with.
I'll have a closer look after work today!.

Pirate by heart.

FiddlinCol - Posted - 04/08/2009:  03:07:35

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G'day jamie.

Perhaps a good place to start would be to learn the names of the notes on your fiddle. With a bit of study you will get to the point where, when you see the note on the page, you'll know where the note is on the fiddle.
Reading and playing scales is probably the best shortcut.

Good luck and persevere!

col.



"A man thats got nothin to say is a liar!"....Ole Roadhog, Lester Moran.
"The Dude abides"....The Dude.

Dick Hauser - Posted - 04/08/2009:  07:32:41

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Jamie -

The Shar Music website has some excellent books that are written for people who need an introduction to reading musical notation. Using the book, you can proceed at your convenience. Once you get started on the learning process, it just seems to keep rolling. The more I read, the more I understand why I do certain things when I play.

If you approach learning notation with an open mind, learning notation is not that difficult. As a fiddler, you can quickly use what you learn. And like anything else, you learn notation by reading and trying to use it.

After you start trying notation, "The Fiddler's Fakebook" and "New England Fiddler's Repertoire" books are very good. Some of the tunes in these books aren't that difficult.

Want to improve your intonation ? I bought a CD from listmember Fiddlerdi where she plays scales. Playing along with that CD was very beneficial. Playing along with Diane improved my note recognition ability and improved my intonation. I use computer software ("The Amazing Slow Downer") to play the scales at various speeds. When playing with others, be receptive to constructive criticism. Heck, I wish someone was offering me constructive criticism whenever I practice.

When playing alone, play with a metronome, drum machine, or "Band in a Box" computer software.



gulfguy

FiddlinCol - Posted - 04/08/2009:  07:59:10

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If you want to learn intonation, play intervals.
most scale notes can be matched with an open string.
The easy ones are octaves or 5ths.
Adjust your finger until the beats slow down and stop.

I would'nt worry about puter progs... When yo get an interval right on the money, the note will sing ..the fiddle resonates. You can feel it in your chest.

Allways relate a note against an open string.. you will hear it when its in tune.
It will also improve your ear for intervals.

Playing scales in 3rds as double stops Is major study.... Playing in 4ths is even more critical.....

Cheers Col.

"A man thats got nothin to say is a liar!"....Ole Roadhog, Lester Moran.
"The Dude abides"....The Dude.

jamieholmes - Posted - 04/08/2009:  09:14:00

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Good stuff people thanks.

Dick Hauser,
would you tell me where I can buy that cd listmember Fiddlerdi?or send me a copy I woud really like to learn
Learn this and it seems to be a great way to do so in my own tempo.

Could someone also please explain to me what a double stop is because im not sure I get it?.


Pirate by heart.

jehanna - Posted - 04/08/2009:  09:31:54

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hi Jamie and welcome, I am sure some of the gurus will give you a complicated answer but a double stop is playing 2 strings together for the harmony or drone,

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the coyotes have moved here too
http://www.sebabluegrass.org

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Edited by - jehanna on 04/08/2009 09:34:19

whigski - Posted - 04/08/2009:  10:21:17

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Originally posted by FiddlinCol

Perhaps a good place to start would be to learn the names of the notes on your fiddle. With a bit of study you will get to the point where, when you see the note on the page, you'll know where the note is on the fiddle.

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I couldn't agree more. Approach your topic like you would a math book for a few days and you'll be rewarded with valuable literacy skills in music. It may make you feel proud that you tackled it too!

Bill

Olgraypat - Posted - 04/08/2009:  13:39:51

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I bought a book set at Barnes & Noble for $12.95. It has a very easy book, a DVD and a CD. These have been very helpful to me. I believe that everyone learns differently, so you may need to find something that "speaks" to you. However, with a book, and a DVD, you sort of get a variety of approaches. This set is geared to piano, but you can make the change rather easily. And, as you learn the notes on the page and on your instrument, you will find yourself, saying go up to F # rather than just now move up to that "note" and you can see it on the page. It helps. And, after a week or so of working on it, and with the help of a recording from this site, last night I was able to learn "Angeline the Baker" in record time. So, it doesn't take long to make some progress. (I realize I still have a long way to go)

jamieholmes - Posted - 04/08/2009:  15:31:35

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What is the name of this book Olgraypat?.

Pirate by heart.

Dick Hauser - Posted - 04/08/2009:  17:08:07

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Jamieholmes - check the Shar Music website. Shar specializes in selling stringed instruments and supplies. They have a large inventory of books. I bet if you dropped them an email, explained your situation, and asked them to recommend a book, they could find just the right book for you.

gulfguy

jamieholmes - Posted - 04/09/2009:  02:57:10

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Thanks I'll check it out right away.

Pirate by heart.

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Edited by - jamieholmes on 04/09/2009 03:09:01

Joel Glassman - Posted - 04/22/2009:  18:31:38

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Simple shortcuts to learning the note names on the violin:
1) The third finger note is the same note name as the open string below it
("below" meaning the adjacent lower pitched string)
2) The fourth finger is the same note as the open string above it.
3) The first finger note is one note above the open string. The exception
to this is the F on the E string. The first finger there is in the "low" position.
In this case I'm not talking about sharps or flats-- just G+1=A , D+1=E , A+1=B

Next, memorize the notes played with the second finger in the "low" position
on all strings. Once you've done this, its easy to derive the other notes.
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To be more specific--
1st finger position on A is a B note [=2 half steps above A]
2nd finger position "low" on the A is s C note [3 half steps above A]
3rd finger position on A is the D note [5 half steps above A]
in this case the note is the same name, but one octave above the lower string
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I can explain this further if anyone doesn't understand it...

curlyrayfan - Posted - 04/22/2009:  19:05:36

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learning notes on your own is very hard...i couldnt do it by myself

but maybe your smarter than i am...

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whigski - Posted - 04/22/2009:  19:27:01

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Originally posted by curlyrayfan

learning notes on your own is very hard...i couldnt do it by myself

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I wouldn't want to have to learn by Joel's "method" either, but I'm sure you could teach yourself from a book. Ultimately, I think you sort of have to teach yourself no matter how you go about it.
Approach it like math---remember those times tables? F-A-C-E, E-very G-ood B-oy D-oes F-ine.
The suggestion to get a book, or a good web page, is a good one.

spw0766 - Posted - 04/23/2009:  10:18:19

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Quick Shortcut:

Notes between lines are either open or 2nd finger.
Notes on lines are first or third fingers

Put this together with FACE and EGBDF from above and you have it all.


Stephen Paul West
www.maelstromtolondon.com

abica - Posted - 04/23/2009:  11:02:10

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I'm using a fiddle fingering chart. I printed these out- they're nice and big, so easy to reference.

http://www.the-violin-guide.com/vio...ngering.html

Then I write the letters above the notes on sheet music.

I keep my little black Korg tuner on the music stand. If something sounds really wonky, I look down to check it. Otherwise, the red lights for sharp/flat and the green light for good pitch help a lot.

Skunkhound - Posted - 04/24/2009:  05:53:14

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Try the note finder at www.musictheory .net , somebody else here introduced it to the site, and it's a great , fun way, to learn the notes.

Dave

Say it might have been a fiddle, or it could have been the wind.............

whigski - Posted - 04/24/2009:  08:24:37

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Note: As of this time, the link above has an extra space.
Click on www.musictheory.net instead.

Skunkhound - Posted - 04/25/2009:  05:23:44

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Sorry 'bout that. Thanks Whigski.

Say it might have been a fiddle, or it could have been the wind.............

masameet - Posted - 05/01/2009:  02:41:04

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If music is a language, then musical notes are the words.

Earlier this week thread, my first thought in seeing this thread was: Piano. Won't learn unless the notes are associated with a piano. As the fiddle/violin uses the treble clef (upper half of the two staved piano notation). Then I looked at the http://www.musictheory.net site, and I thought: Of course! and How logical!

For sure. Gotta know what and where Middle C is in relation to High C (and all the other notes). That site also teaches how to hear and distinguish between whole and half intervals. Then associating the notes with the fingering becomes clear.

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Edited by - masameet on 05/01/2009 02:42:25

Joel Glassman - Posted - 05/06/2009:  13:33:52

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>I wouldn't want to have to learn by Joel's "method" either
Thanks for your kind comment.

whigski - Posted - 05/06/2009:  14:31:28

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Originally posted by Joel Glassman


>I wouldn't want to have to learn by Joel's "method" either
Thanks for your kind comment.

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Joel, I did not intend to be unkind. I was merely suggesting that your remarks
seemed more appropriate for someone who already knew quite a bit
about music theory rather than a complete beginner (who I think would
be put off by their sophistication). It is clear that you know what you are
doing, I just think, perhaps from my experience as a math teacher, that
your explanation is ***totally inappropriate*** for a beginner.
Your comments are probably more appropriate for someone, like me, who is
a long way from being a beginner but just as far from being an expert.

Take a look at what you wrote, back on 4/22, and see if it seems as clear
to you now. I think if you dish that out to a beginner, then you'll be fortunate
not to turn them away from music theory forever! The original poster, and
those in a similar place, have more to gain or lose on this than you or I.
Let us look to their needs first! I believe you are capable of writing an
excellent lesson if you cared to. Admittedly, it would take more than 12 or 13 lines.

Bill

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Edited by - whigski on 05/06/2009 17:01:22

brya31 - Posted - 05/08/2009:  08:31:34

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I taught myself to read music and never did think of it that way....good idea

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Originally posted by spw0766

Quick Shortcut:

Notes between lines are either open or 2nd finger.
Notes on lines are first or third fingers

Put this together with FACE and EGBDF from above and you have it all.


Stephen Paul West
www.maelstromtolondon.com

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Rob