Wow, yes for second link that is “the Musical Priest” blended in there!?
Just played it last week and got “the eye” from the guitar player when I forgot to play that third part, whoops…

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

Waynesboro is a tricky tune.

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Reminds me of John Hartford. 

Okayyy this is weird...
Waynesboro is apparently descended from Irish reel "Over the Moor to Maggie"...
I just tried playing OMM with Waynsesboro and there are some small note differences (and skip the third part) ...but hmm, apparently I kind of play "Waynesboro" (aka Over the Moor to Maggie. :-)
Weird because OMM sounds so different in session, different beat and feel and chording... I wouldn't have linked the two together even though the notes are samey!

Elk River Blues,... second recording attempt.

https://youtu.be/-mMJsRdDeYE

Nice job, Anja...sounding good...I put a like on your video and commented on YouTube.

NC Notes...it's amazing that you're finding so much Irish in OT...I mean, yeah a lot different but the core is so similar. That reminds me of one time I heard Jean Ritchie tell of when she got a grant to go to Ireland to hunt for lost Appalachian tunes...like search for their roots and compare with Ireland. Something like that she was studying...anyway, she ended up playing in a lot of the pubs or whatever they've got over there over the big pond...and she said more than once she played for them one that she claimed to be strictly American...and the folks at the pub were like..."Oh no, that's not one of yours, that's one of ours..." Lol...then they would show her the Irish version. Seems we brought over just about every tune we think we came up with....lol.

Yep there is definitely the overlap/evolution…
but I gotta say, I can’t decide which I like better!
I really like the American ‘groove’ / beat that got into Waynesboro, and I think it’s a bit more catchy than Over the Moor to Maggie, which sounds like a good but fairly standard Irish reel…and I like how Waynesboro starts off with part B, that sounds interesting…
( But maybe I just haven’t heard that right person play OMM yet! Ya know how it is. :~)

Gonna go listen now, Anja!

NC Notes...you're split right down the middle...lol...one ear loves the Irish tune, the other loves the OT Americanized version...simple solution: find out which ear is which and muffle one ear at a time as necessary...lol.

Some OT tunes that are Irish adjacent:
Twin Sisters (Boys of Blue Hill)
Sheep Shell Corn by the Rattling of his Horn (Union Reel)
Billy in the Lowland from Henry Reed is an Irish tune that I cannot name but I heard it, with that distinctive long phrasing in the coarse part, on Clare FM once.

There are plenty more, but they always sound/feel different.

Starting with the low (coarse) part or high (fine) part is a variable in old time that I read is related to geography and native American influence. Cannot recall the source of that so take it with a grain or salt or dram of whisky. 

Long time ago...with plucking after about one minute and round the third minute Ziva finishes lol ...exactly when i end the tune.

She is my buddy I am so glad I had this recorded <3

I think this attempt to put the bridge back in place was best. I'll leave it like this. 

Dave Bing does a nice Waynesboro. I used to have a recording of Bing and Dwight Diller playing it, but can't seem to find it. Diller recalled a story about running into Over the Moor to Maggie somewhere over seas in England or Ireland. Irish versions are sometimes in two parts like ours... with different names.

Here's Dave Bing youtu.be/QY3mOGxLOiM

I get the feeling that he really likes this tune as he takes his time with it.

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Originally posted by Quincy

Long time ago...with plucking after about one minute and round the third minute Ziva finishes lol ...exactly when i end the tune.

She is my buddy I am so glad I had this recorded <3

I think this attempt to put the bridge back in place was best. I'll leave it like this. 

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I really like that your dog joined in. Key of D was always what set my band mate's lab howling.

I've got Spootiskerry under my belt. Went to a lesson last night to nail down the rough edges. I was so happy to wake up and retain it this morning. I'm horrible at these songs that the timing is a smidge different than say, Soldiers Joy or something pretty straight forward. Every time I get back with my teacher, he comments after my little warm up that I sound "Mountain" which is good with me!

I had plenty of fun wit Elk river blues last weeks :-D Now I am in GDAE well FCGD, I need more cool standard tuning tunes! I find I must not ignore the existence of standard tuning.
Finally having some time to play and I am out of inspiration, need something 'new" or something I know already but this way that I can see it in a new light.

Work troubles are solved, think the beginning of this new job was difficult but I managed to find a way to just be my professional self at work. So maybe I am in for some joyful tunes at the moment hehe.

@pete since I am aware not to lock my thumb I feel like speeding up is a lot easier!! I don't know how you could make this observation, but right now this is exactly what is helping me out here :-))

Whoa got it ! The perfect tune to learn this night: The Battle Cry Of Freedom... it is beautiful <3
Yeps, this one I needed today!

A first attempt. Found a fix for my difficult index finger I need to keep fingers in same position by tilting my wrist when playing! Now the index finger is always on the right spot. Want to have all the notes right and play a slow and more melancholic version ... The Battle Cry Of Freedom with the accent on Cry lol.

I love this tune, it has so much options crosstuned. Can choose to let it ring with the string below or above. Must think of how I want it to sound eventually, work in progress, but this gives an idea of my interpretation . When it's finished I'll record it on cam so that I can add it to my YouTube channel.

Second attempt ...want the double stops versus one string parts a bit more defined ...but getting there.

This tune made my day ... Loved to learn it <3

Nice Job Quincy on posting samples of what you're playing!! I'm not brave enough lol

I'm tickling Old Grimes at the moment by ear. Close, but got a ways to go. They played it a little different the other night at the OT jam the other night. I'm more privy to the BG versions but sticking to the melody.

@ Quincy I could tell your thumb might be locking because there is very little movement in your fingers.

A Hungarian Gypsy Orchestra violinist showed me that i can not move my fingers while holding my bow, if my thumb is locked.

He showed me that i could move the bow up and down about two inches or more (if my thumb wasn't locked), by just moving my fingers and thumb. Without any movement in my wrist , elbow or shoulder at all.

i practice this by holding a pencil like i hold my bow (without locking my thumb). Then hold on to my right wrist with my left hand to stop it moving, And move the pencil up and down as far as i can using just my fingers and thumb....The L/H wrist, elbow, and shoulder should stay completely still, and come later....Theoretically .

i still haven't got it , but he did tell me it would take a few years.....(This was about 20 years ago!!), but i keep trying.

Erockin, I bet you are likely to already be a great fiddler and certainly to become a more than great fiddler! You are an amazing musician with a talent I can only wish for and dream of <3
Between all the talent present here I dare to post where I am standing yes, just for fun and also because I always used to be rather posty.

Funny side remark. People more often call me 'brave' or just assume I am brave. Anyway, my aunt recently asked me : Anja, would you still be able to defend yourself if someone would harrass you? I laughed hard and answerred: auntie, have you seen the dog I currently own? It is absolutely not necessary to defend myself!

I say fiddle for the world and my Ziva for the win hahaha.

@pete Before this I picked up my bow with a thumb lock to start with! I literally did this as the first thing, place my thumb on that one spot on the frog and then I turned my thumb as much as I could towards myself before I was placing the rest of my fingers, it was a ritual almost...
It will take some time and concentration to get this habit undone, but it is working! I recorded myself while only focusing on not locking the thumb, and when I looked at the video's that I made I was surprised to find my fingers where really moving along with the upward and downward bowing :-))) I always wondered how others did this, because I could clearly see the diference myself between my fingers and real flexible fingers that move along while playing when I compared.

I remember I once told my violin teacher : "but there is so much to think off!" She explained to me that I had to work on different elements step by step and concentrate on improving things one by one and she assured me that eventually it would all come together and feel natural. But right now not locking my thumb still feels to me like a whole new way of bowing :-D

Thanks for sharing your story. My violin teacher's specialisation and preference was in fact gypsy music. I hope to learn more on violin / fiddle music all over the world in my next 20 years, it is intriguing that there are so many ways of playing this instrument and that it offers so many options.

https://youtu.be/w8V1loVrYLU?feature=shared

Wrist is more loose / I play more from my wrist since I try not to lock my thumb and fingers are getting more flexible.

(Just playing with a few lines from Old Cotton Fields, I am still learning the tune by heart)

Starting on the Irish reel "The Golden Keyboard".

There was peer pressure involved...
flute-friend in hopeful tone at picnic table (one of our 2-player meetings): "Do you play the Golden Keyboard?". Guitar player who leads our session...leans over and says, "Do you play the Golden Keyboard?". Flute friend at another group session: "Do you play the Golden Keyboard?"

So yes, darnit, I shall play this Golden Keyboard you speak of!

Flutefriend sent me links and it's a lovely old reel...
Now I can see why everybody likes it!

It was written by a fiddler and those fast single-bow triplets made of three different notes...phew...that's the hard part for me. Fast triplets on one note are easier, because the timing doesn't have to be as precise...mine can be a bit sloppy and still sound passable...but these fast 3-different-note triplets are bow-boggling! So, going to try and figure that technique out...

That's the update from here :-)

I think I've mentioned this before, but here's a set from a record I produced about 40 years ago. You had mentioned Clay Buckner - he's playing fiddle here, and there's an actual Irish person on the track too. youtu.be/7z2Vf7ngUoo?feature=shared

Wow!!!!
Next time I see Clay at a session, I can ask him to start the Golden Keyboard!
I'm sure he has no trouble with the fast triplets LOL LOL. He will leave me gasping in his rosin dust :-)

This is such a nice set, the tunes go really nicely together, love listening.
Thank you, Doug!

I see that the Irish person is Tríona Ní Dhomhnaill...wasn't she in the Bothy Band?!
Wow again :-)

(And thank you for producing this...because here I am many years later, listening avidly to it :-)

I absolutely love the clogging that goes so well with it <3