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ladymuse - Posted - 10/10/2007:  06:40:13


You better be careful! We all our going to show up at your house somehow!!!!
Bautiful!

Have you gotten ahold of the Phoenix Guys yet? Also, ask the guys at Folk of the Wood to Help -- they are great !
Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 10/10/2007:  11:53:53


I emailed the Folk of the Wood people yesterday before I found the page that told about the custom black plating. Haven't heard back yet. I plan to email the Phoenix people today. I just didn't feel like it yesterday.

seisflutes - Posted - 10/10/2007:  14:02:38


Have emailed the Phoenix guy. We'll see what they say. *fingers crossed*

ladymuse - Posted - 10/10/2007:  17:51:31


We all have our fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!! YIPPEE!

Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 10/10/2007:  22:27:40


Meh. He doesn't want to sell me a set. Pooie. :(

He says I should get a set of these:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/...achines.html

Ugh. Well, perhaps I can blacken them somehow......


Edited by - seisflutes on 10/10/2007 22:53:47

seisflutes - Posted - 10/11/2007:  16:16:53


First (possibly only, but I think I'll do a second layer) layer of oil varnish drying:




ladymuse - Posted - 10/11/2007:  21:34:42


OH Wow!

Hey - if you are near any jewery stores, you can check into plating there - or machine shops -(or look under plating in phone book)
(I worked in a jewelry repair store, and we did replating on nickle, gold and silver - with different colored plating -

It doesn't cost all that much =

Jen


Edited by - ladymuse on 10/11/2007 21:36:12

seisflutes - Posted - 10/11/2007:  21:40:30


Cool, I will definitely look into that. Thanks! :)

seisflutes - Posted - 10/16/2007:  04:21:38


A friend of mine gave me a chunk of scrap maple to make the new tuning block from. I haven't done anything except draw out the basic shape for it, but here's that anyhow (why not?):


I think I'm going to go back to his place and borrow his band-saw to rough the block out. He lives an hour away, so I'll have to find a good day with a few spare hours in it.

ladymuse - Posted - 10/16/2007:  05:09:44


Very cool!
lol! - being that my eyes are feeling the lateness, I read that as chunk of scrap MARBLE
-and you can imagine that I was trying to figure out where marble would go - (yea, I finally reread it)

and luck on the plating? you may need to get button/heads for the pegs in black (aside from the nickle)

Jen - who just wrote out a student fiddle break - midi + (notation) for a request to Blue Moon of kentucky -
and found out (person came good references) - that it went to the middle east!
daughter has a school concert to play in on Friday)

My! Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 10/16/2007:  08:40:30


I'm getting the nickel tuners with black buttons. They have been ordered. Once they arrive, I'll see how they really look, and whether I'm really that desperate to have them plated. That Phoenix mandolin guy said the price of plating had really gone up in the last few years....I don't know. I've been too darn busy to look into local plating services yet. Midterms are sort of happening about now.

Morgenes - Posted - 10/16/2007:  10:23:47


It looks awesome, can't wait to see the finished work. That ink job looks great!.


seisflutes - Posted - 10/16/2007:  10:29:22


Thank you!

ladymuse - Posted - 10/20/2007:  21:02:09


Hey -What's happening? Or are the pegs slowing you down while waiting?

seisflutes - Posted - 10/21/2007:  00:43:29


More the varnish is slowing me down, waiting for it to dry. I've just done the second coat. Also, I haven't been able to get to my friend's shop to use his bandsaw yet, so my tuning block is still a giant chunk of wood at this point. A minor slow-down, I'll get it going again as soon as I can.

ladymuse - Posted - 10/21/2007:  17:23:38


why you are waiting downtime on the midterms, you could chew on it! )lol!)
sorry - Ill be serious

I am still blown away by the inking - were you wirking on that everyday? (intricacy of)

did you have different nibs? (me mind still is boggled) Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 10/21/2007:  23:36:29


I used this kind of pen in black, in the medium, fine, and superfine tips, though mostly just the fine.
http://www.dickblick.com/zz207/59/
I'd say it took about an hour per section, so 12 hours total, though it may have been more. And it's not nearly as intricate as a lot of real hardangers! But thank you.


Edited by - seisflutes on 10/21/2007 23:43:46

ladymuse - Posted - 10/22/2007:  02:18:38


Gee - boy am I behind the times!
Last india inking i did (pen and Ink) was done with either a wooden changeable nib pen with a bottle of ink, or a fountain type pen with metal nib also - (and bottle of ink)

maybe I should revamp my crazy drawing skills! those look fun!
thanks for the link! good ole D Blick - come to think of it, haven't gotten a catalogue in the last year - time to renew! -

seisflutes - Posted - 10/22/2007:  02:27:34


Yeah, these make it easier! I've done the fountain pen thing, and I like them, but they can get messy, and I always forget to clean the pens and the get clogged.

Morgenes - Posted - 10/22/2007:  13:20:30


What kind of varnish are you using?


seisflutes - Posted - 10/22/2007:  14:07:38


The thin dark linseed oil musical instrument varnish here:
http://www.ambervarnish.com/index.p...ose_products


ladymuse - Posted - 10/22/2007:  22:52:08


WOW! what a cool site!

Hey! what did you use to remove the finish when you first stripped it?

seisflutes - Posted - 10/22/2007:  23:19:20


Various things. Scrapers, razor blades, sandpaper...

seisflutes - Posted - 10/23/2007:  18:23:47


Here we have the fiddle in a varnished (2 coats) and somewhat sanded state:



I think I am going to do just one more coat of varnish, but I think it's looking pretty nice so far. Oh, and since I got an actual camera, I can take better pictures of it than I could with the little iCam at the top of my mac's screen, which is nice.

ladymuse - Posted - 10/23/2007:  21:35:29


gp Kel Go!

So you used no ligued/gel varnish remover?

seisflutes - Posted - 10/23/2007:  21:47:27


No, I wasn't sure what (if any) kind would be good to use, so I avoided them all.

Sky - Posted - 10/29/2007:  06:04:55


Seis,
You are truly a remarkable young lady. I'm in awe at what you are doing.
With your studies and other music playing you do,, wow.
You should be proud of yourself at what you've done, I know we all are.

Sky


Time is speeding up,, and I'm slowing down
Houston, we have a problem

seisflutes - Posted - 10/29/2007:  09:55:52


Why, thank you! That's very nice of you to say. I'm not sure though... there's still time for me to mess this up! If I get to the end and it *works,* then I will indeed be proud of myself!

I need more sandpaper...

ladymuse - Posted - 10/29/2007:  15:08:18


Yea! she rocks! and she's gonna start a whole new craze~!!!!
Jen


Edited by - ladymuse on 10/29/2007 15:08:45

seisflutes - Posted - 11/03/2007:  18:06:11


Okay, I think the varnish is done.



ladymuse - Posted - 11/03/2007:  22:47:06


Ah! Mellow Mellow! Ok - the pegbox!

ooh can't wait, ooh can't wait!

Jen

jfrebel - Posted - 11/05/2007:  17:55:19


be sure to post a video of yourself playing that thing when its done. I want to hear how it sounds.

seisflutes - Posted - 11/05/2007:  22:54:24


I will indeed.

seisflutes - Posted - 11/12/2007:  00:29:44


Progress!




ladymuse - Posted - 11/12/2007:  00:42:32


hoo boy! this is looking way interesting!!!!!

How are you going to mount it?! have a sketch?

jen

John Gent - Posted - 11/12/2007:  00:43:39


quote:
Originally posted by seisflutes

Progress!


Y'know, this is getting to be a lot like Christmas for me! The anticipation is killing me!

- John




Edited by - John Gent on 11/12/2007 00:44:20

seisflutes - Posted - 11/12/2007:  00:55:31


quote:
Originally posted by ladymuse

hoo boy! this is looking way interesting!!!!!

How are you going to mount it?! have a sketch?

jen



I don't have a good sketch, sorry.
Basically the plan is to saw off most of the existing pegbox at a slight angle (so that the tuning block attaches angled down), leaving a short section still there.
The tongue at the base of this tuning block will fit snugly into the stump of the pegbox, and will be attached with strong wood glue and little woodscrews. If I don't mess it up, that is.

M-D - Posted - 11/12/2007:  09:30:10


You're coming right along with this! Nice work!

_________________________________________________________________

M-D

Music is found in the space between the notes -- in the silence between the chords. Get your spaces right, and you've got it. ~ Albert Greenfield





ladymuse - Posted - 11/13/2007:  01:51:47


Hey Seis!

Check this out as you get more inventive! (specially the inlay/etc) Jen

http://www.musikit.com/Merchant2/me...0013decorate

seisflutes - Posted - 11/16/2007:  04:37:57


Cringe!




seisflutes - Posted - 11/16/2007:  04:41:56


Working on the fit:




Almost got it:



I might do something about the back of this, to make the transition from neck to tuning block look smoother.

seisflutes - Posted - 11/16/2007:  04:58:53


Since I don't have any clamps, I held this together for half an hour while the glue set. And yes, I am doing all this at 5 in the morning, not having gone to bed yet.

The joint is holding so far:


I do plan to smooth down those pointy bits that protrude above the tuning block.
Now I need a few tiny woodscrews. And then I will do the finish on that block & add the tuners....




seisflutes - Posted - 11/16/2007:  15:24:34


Tidied up a bit...still need screws!





I'm 90% sure that the angle on this is going to work when the tuners and strings are installed. I hope I'm right!

ladymuse - Posted - 11/16/2007:  18:53:57


You GO Kel!
and get to the market before it closes! (LOL!)
Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 11/17/2007:  21:59:16


I got some little screws!



On this side the drill bit broke off in the second hole, so I left it in there. I figured it would be okay that way.




John Gent - Posted - 11/17/2007:  22:58:40


quote:
Originally posted by seisflutes
On this side the drill bit broke off in the second hole, so I left it in there. I figured it would be okay that way.



I dabble in wood working and I learnt a long time ago ... "I broke the drill bit off in the second hole to add strength."

But that's just me.

- John

seisflutes - Posted - 11/17/2007:  23:02:10


quote:
Originally posted by John Gent

quote:
Originally posted by seisflutes
On this side the drill bit broke off in the second hole, so I left it in there. I figured it would be okay that way.



I dabble in wood working and I learnt a long time ago ... "I broke the drill bit off in the second hole to add strength."

But that's just me.

- John





Quite so! It's about as good as a screw, I guess.

seisflutes - Posted - 11/17/2007:  23:31:54




ladymuse - Posted - 11/18/2007:  04:46:07


I am so boggled! the anticipation is killing me too!


Jen

seisflutes - Posted - 11/18/2007:  04:47:50


Gee, no pressure! What if it all explodes as soon as I tune it up?

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