alaskafiddler - Posted - 05/17/2024:  18:40:57

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

So AI might become a cannibalistic, self-limiting entity, then? Will this spawn the antithesis? Which is what...what is the opposite of artificial intelligence???? Artificial stupidity???? Lol...or maybe artificial is not the key word here. I would love to see the internet just dissolve away into nothingness...then, maybe the nothingness of humanity will morph into community and collaboration.

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I think the internet and other technology are as useful tools. But can be double edged sword. It's how and what use it for.

You bring up good point, I was gonna respond more , but all this can give one a headache... I need to touch some grass to keep things in perspective... grab my fiddle and get together with some friends and play some tunes for dancers under a pavilion. Might get bit chilly... but we haven't lost know how to use low-tech wood and make fire; without internet or AI.

 

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/18/2024:  04:02:04

Speaking of the net and high tech stuff...have you seen the youtubes where apes and chimps use ipads? Hmmm...wonder where that could eventually go to???? lol. My grandson taught himself to read, just sorta accidentally, by the age of 2, by playing toddler ipad games...just as food for thought.

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/18/2024:  10:48:50

I'm going to use that bank joke at my next gig

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/18/2024:  10:49:27

The opposite of artificial intelligence is REAL stupidity

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/20/2024:  04:58:48

Lol...oh no...Just the thought of the alternate option paradoxically lurking in the obverse penumbra ...lol. And the only thing I know for sure is that stupid does not know stupid.

I always think of the time one of my many supervisors (seems I had more supervisors than co workers) was all over my case in the elevator for not showing up to a meeting she'd called. I'm like..."Well, Gerry, I didn't get any notice...didn't know about the meeting." She says, "I sent out an email about it." I said, "But Gerry, I didn't get the email, so I didn't know about the meeting." She, frustrated (this woman hated me really bad...lol), says, "Well why don't you tell me when you don't get my email!" I'm like, "Gerry, when I don't get your emails, I don't know I don't get your emails. One can only know when they DO get an email; they cannot know when they do NOT get an email." That, to me, was always so baffling...I think of it today in many situations. Just proof...stupid does not know stupid...I don't mean that in an insulting way...I mean...ignorance cannot know ignorance...you can't know what it is you aren't knowing.

DougD - Posted - 05/20/2024:  15:32:25

Peggy, just guessing, but I'd say in the workplace you might have needed quite a bit of supervision. Maybe even moment to moment. Just a guess of course.
An imaginary example:
Supervisor: Peggy, file these cards in alphabetical order
GHP: OK
Supervisor (later): Peggy, this is a complete jumble - they're not in alphabetical order.
GHP: No, I thought it would be better to sort them in order of metaphysical relevance

Edited by - DougD on 05/20/2024 15:45:23

pete_fiddle - Posted - 05/20/2024:  15:38:04

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

The opposite of artificial intelligence is REAL stupidity

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Or as Peggy just explained "Honest ignorance"

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/20/2024:  18:05:45

Lol. Well maybe you know some of my former co workers, Doug...lol.

Dick Hauser - Posted - 06/07/2024:  09:48:07

AI can supplement human effort, not replace it. Commercial efforts use what is the most inexpensive and effective way to meet their objective. Unwise judgement wil cause companies to utilize AI and go "KAPUT". I saw a Walt Disney promo and wondered who would pay to watch it.
AI will probably produce the brain dead music we hear during "robocalls".

John Gahan - Posted - 10/08/2024:  10:46:25

Many people are concerned about the impact AI will have on the music industry, but we always seem to come back to the idea that human creativity and the unique sounds of instruments are irreplaceable. While many musicians strongly dislike the concept of AI-generated music, I find it fascinating. It’s fun to experiment with, and there’s even potential to earn some money from it. Personally, I prefer using audiomodify.com over other tools, but the market of this kind of software is just getting bigger.

Melanie93 - Posted - 12/30/2024:  07:26:31

It is just cool!

Melanie93 - Posted - 12/30/2024:  07:42:29

AI in music is definitely an interesting, yet complex, topic. While it has potential to innovate, it also raises concerns about creativity and authenticity. As someone who appreciates traditional forms of music like fiddling, I think there's a unique charm in the imperfections and human touch that AI simply can't replicate. However, AI could serve as a helpful tool, offering suggestions or new ideas for musicians to build upon. For example, for study, I always use tools customwriting.com/ai-essay-writer for writing and generating ideas. AI-generated music might act as a starting point, but it’s the human interpretation that brings it to life.

Melanie93 - Posted - 12/30/2024:  07:43:44

Also, I wanted to tell that AI can be great extra source of music and ideas, but it will never replace the human touch.

The Violin Beautiful - Posted - 12/30/2024:  10:34:04

It’s a thorny subject because the use of software instead of hiring people in the music business to write or perform music can have a seismic impact on the music business itself.

Some of it is complicated by the fact that in many instances the music business has become stagnant. Modern composers and players painted themselves into a corner to some extent by going to extremes to sound original, thereby producing music that no one wants to hear, while more commercial music business has thrived on music that fits an increasingly rudimentary template (it’s amazing how many pop songs from many performers of the last few decades were written by just two composers). Chord progressions have almost become archaic in current music. All these changes have led the listening public to lose interest in what’s new unless it’s an opportunity for a social event or it pushes some envelope. Listeners have been seeking out old recordings in greater and greater numbers and musicians who are past their prime are now gladly cashing in on their earlier success by selling the rights to their discographies to major labels. In circumstances like that it’s no surprise AI is getting attention—after all, how much worse could it be than what’s current?

What makes it elusive is that the “artificial” music is not purely artificial. Each piece is not an act of true creation but an assembly of pre-existing ideas and performances. Pre-recorded sounds are gathered into a constantly growing framework from which the software can reference when given prompts. The reference material is all work of humans that have come before and had creative ideas. There’s an argument to be made that creation is not something that even humans can accomplish and that every creative human act is really the result of influence study; however, there’s a certain humanity and creative spark in music written by good composers that doesn’t seem to be present in derivations (at least for now).

But that being said, AI has the advantage of being able to harvest what’s already recorded, so rather than, for example,
imitating the voice of Hank Williams, the tool can use a database of all Hank Williams’ recordings to make a voice model that can be used for something he never sang. Then what you hear has a lot of the vocal cues of Williams and even some of his mannerisms (if the sample is long enough) while being applied to something else. This is the case for voice recordings, instrumental music, visual art, literature, and other art forms. The problem is that if the technology improves, it will be good enough that people will be happy to listen to AI music instead of “new” music. It doesn’t have to be good enough to impress musicians, only enough to entertain the average listener who might not even be listening that closely.

ChickenMan - Posted - 12/30/2024:  12:53:40

NPR had a story that was reported on by a former employee who became a music writer for soundtracks and jingles etc. He seemed to think it was inevitable that Al would take his job, but could also be an idea generator until it did. Gave some amazing examples of how AI is an arranger as well as composer, and how it can make music "in the style of.." that is very convincing.





I wonder about Melanie93 though. She seems to only be interested in making 3 posts about AI and not posting about fiddling. 3 posts and one with a link that looks suspiciously like the kind of link a spammer would post for an "essay writer"  -  don't click that link.

Edited by - ChickenMan on 12/30/2024 12:54:40

farmerjones - Posted - 12/30/2024:  17:16:45

There will always be a market for cheap and easy. Just as there will always be a market for high quality. A seven dollar Walmart watch does the same thing as a Rolex. Everyone has a clock on their phone, yet Rolex still sells every watch they make. People change. People mature. I recon there are more Martin guitars sold today than ever before.