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Barry - Posted - 01/15/2014: 14:41:03
What do you all think of my idea. Question, can I start the note reading not knowing the medley, and then quit that and listen to a Cd fiddle tune . Also. the note reading is to red apple rag, and the cdI I am trying to learn Kenny Baker's Indian kill a woodcock. Any help, I appreciate . Thanks, Barry Snow
fiddlepogo - Posted - 01/15/2014: 15:53:13
If the notes are an exact copying down of the tune you are trying to play, and you want to play exactly the notes Kenny Baker plays, yes, that ought to work just fine for you.
The notes will tell you where the fingers go, and listening will help you get the phrasing right.
Since Kenny Baker sure could play those notes fast, something else you might try is slowing the tune down... you'd have to "rip" the track from the CD to your computer, then play the file with slowdowner software. If you have Windows, Windows Media Player will help you do both those things.
There are other ways of doing that with for-pay programs like Amazing Slowdowner, but you ought to try it with Windows Media Player if you have it.
Let us know what kind of computer and operating system you have so we will know what programs are compatible with it.
You could also look for Kenny Baker and the tunes on YouTube. That might give you a better idea of how he's bowing it. I saw him once in the '70's with Monroe, and most of the time he was sawstroking.... but it was the smoothest sawstroke I had EVER heard, and probably ever will hear!
carlb - Posted - 01/16/2014: 05:57:34
There, however, good tunes in books for which there is no recorded version. The spots on the page tell you the notes, but you have to listen and make decisions as to where the phrases are. It's a good lesson to work on to help you learn how to make those spots on the page sound like a tune.
Barry - Posted - 01/16/2014: 09:02:21
Thank you for sharing with me what to try and do. I don't know much about computers so I had read on this site about amassing slowdowner program, and other stuff computer related, but I had no earthly idea you could stick a CD in a computer and you slow it down. I' ll will try that, and keep you posted. My computer is a HP OMNI 120, ALL- IN - ONE- PC Series. And Carlb you also told me something I did not know, that there are good tunes not written down. And the idea on the info listening while reading and trying to find the phases. Thanks. This site is amassing . This Info get my blood running, I appreciate you Carlb, and Fiddlepogo for your time. . I will let you know how my try went. Barry Snow
Lee Mysliwiec - Posted - 01/16/2014: 09:34:48
After I've listened to a CD tune until I am familiar with it I do this: I try to learn a tricky tune from a CD by just listening, several times to just THE FIRST ONE OR TWO SECONDS of the tune.. Stop, start again and keep listening to that short piece until I can hear what is going on in that part of the tune. Then I TRY to get that sound on my fiddle.. When I've got the first little bit I listen to the next second or two of music and add what I learn there to what I've learned on the first part.. It is important to know what the overall tune sounds like, but FOR ME it is easiest to learn it piece by piece...
Barry - Posted - 01/16/2014: 09:35:32
I found the windows slowdowner on my computer, but I am not sure which one to select. My computer is something 8. I think maybe windows 8.. I would like some feedback please. Thanks. Barry
Barry - Posted - 01/16/2014: 10:15:09
Thanks leemysliwiec, Seems to me maybe your idea might be alots of trouble; However, I will give it a try sometime, had never really though about giving that a try. Sure glad it works for you. Thanks for the post. Barry
Barry - Posted - 01/16/2014: 10:16:35
Thanks leemysliwiec, Seems to me maybe your idea might be alots of trouble; However, I will give it a try sometime, had never really though about giving that a try. Sure glad it works for you. Thanks for the post. Barry
Dick Hauser - Posted - 02/07/2014: 07:49:12
Before learning to play a tune by ear, I think a fiddler benefits from listening to the tune, and being able to whistle/hum the melody from memory. Next, learn to play the "bare bones" version of that melody. When we play, we play musical phrases. When learning to play the basic melody, I would work on getting these phrases down. When listening to Kenny Baker's playing, I would decide what gave his version its distinctive flavor. Then I would try to add these things to the basic version I had learned to play. That way, you will have a "feel" for the tune, and your own version.
Fiddlers vary in playing skill and experience. Trying to duplicate a master fiddler, such as Kenny Baker, would be very difficult and discouraging. In addition, really good musicians often had problems playing a tune the same way twice, even when they try. A recording only lets us hear how they played the tune that one time. Listening to his playing, and trying to gradually incorporate some of his favorite techniques and phrases into your playing will give your tunes the styling you are trying to learn. I think I have seen notation for some of this tunes. You could listen to his playing while reading notation. This would give you an idea about how how he did certain things. I sometime do that when I am checking out tune and trying to decide if I should learn it.
It would be interesting to hear a fiddler apply these playing techniques to tune Kenny Baker did not record. That would be more interesting than listening to someone play a note for note version of a recorded tune.
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