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John Gent - Posted - 04/18/2010:  19:59:51


So, there's ALL SORTS of information about this tune 'out there'. There's also gobs and gobs of different versions of it ... as well as words for it. Here's is the The Fiddler's Companion page:
ibiblio.org/fiddlers/CS_CZ.htm

At the bottom of the first entry about this tune is and MP3 link to Charlie Acuff's version of it.
web.knoxnews.com/special/songs...ndgap.MP3

My (selfish) interest is to find the more popular version so as to introduce it to my fiddling circle of friends and not wind up introducing an obscure version. I'm also curious how regional it is. Do we in the U.S. west coast play one version more than the midwest? The Appalacia's? Scotland? Asia? How about Pitcairn Island?

I've posted one version that I learned a while ago, but never did much with it because of these questions. I learned it from Julie Duggan's (banjofrailer) cut on her website (banjofrailer.com). Thanks Julie. I'm not sure if I have the chords right, and there are warts, but there it is ...

fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/me...archived=

Cheers.

- John

Edited subject line format - wormbower


Edited by - wormbower on 05/20/2010 06:23:28

lrhamp - Posted - 04/19/2010:  03:06:51


The version that I am most familiar with is the one done by
Earl Scruggs on banjo. Buddy Thomas and John Springer do versions that I like. John's version goes back to 1938. Both can be found at the Digital Library of Appalachia. Luther Strong's version can be heard here. juneberry78s.com/sounds...Strong.htm


Edited by - lrhamp on 04/19/2010 03:14:42

OTJunky - Posted - 04/19/2010:  05:32:46


Cumberland Gap's a hard choice. It's among the four greatest American OT fiddle tunes - which are in the four keys.

G - Cumberland Gap
A - Sally Goodin
C- Wagner
D - Forked Deer

I count them as the four greatest because within them lie buried practically all the "secrets" of American OT fiddling (meaning that if you can play these well, you can play about anything), because they are all quintessentially "American" in sound, and because three of them commemorate important places, events or characters in American history. I think there is no agreement on what Forked Deer's all about - though I prefer the Ozark view of it.

Cumberland Gap is a nearly mystical place through which thousands of immigrants traveled with the hope of finding a better life. The tune is most commonly played in G I think - though the Round Peak area musicians played it in D (cross-tuned to ADAE) and so most "revivalists" play it in D these days. I like the D version, but it'll never be "Cumberland Gap" to me because it's too smooth. The real Cumberland Gap is bumpier than that.

FWIW, in my opinion, Luther Strong couldn't play the tune. His conception of it is too linear.

And - as an aside - I wonder if anybody besides me thinks that tune labelled "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong on the page pointed to by lrhamp's link is mis-labelled. Sounds more like a version of "John Brown's Dream" to me.

--OTJ


Edited by - OTJunky on 04/19/2010 05:51:39

Ozarkian D.L. - Posted - 04/19/2010:  06:06:37


An extensive link to tha subject. :

bing.com/reference/semhtml/Cum...rland+gap

Seems ta me it's more popular in tha banjer circles than tha fiddle. It's a great old tune with some off-shoots...reels, rags, breakdown.

A slow laid-back banjo version I like :

youtube.com/watch?v=S3qAMY676N...e=related


Edited by - Ozarkian D.L. on 04/19/2010 06:33:54

John Gent - Posted - 04/19/2010:  06:49:33


quote:
Originally posted by Ozarkian D.L.
... more popular in tha banjer circles than tha fiddle. ...


... and is evident in the two music archives of FHO and BHO

DougD - Posted - 04/19/2010:  06:52:46


Cumblin ' Gap ain't what it used to be! youtube.com/watch?v=TZdb7YjGcM4

coelhoe - Posted - 04/19/2010:  07:08:20


I believe that "Cumberland Gap" is originally a play-party song that has migrated over to a banjo and fiddle instrumental. I learned it as a song in '48 (maybe earlier). There is nice old-timey fiddle version on Youtube played by Bascom Lamar Lunsford from Ashville, NC. He calls it "Doggett's Gap."

The melody is really a song structure without a typical fiddle second part. And, like with "Cripple Creek," I think the popularity of the tune today is mostly due to Earl Scrugg's version on his album "Foggy Mountain Banjo."

"Me and my wife and my wife's Pap (repeat 3x)
All live down in Cumberland Gap."

"Lay down boys and take a little nap (3x)
It's fourteen miles to Cumberland Gap."

OTJunky - Posted - 04/19/2010:  07:20:12


quote:
Originally posted by coelhoe

I believe that "Cumberland Gap" is originally a play-party song that has migrated over to a banjo and fiddle instrumental.
There are loads of tunes/songs one might say this about - "Cripple Creek", "Cotton Eyed Joe", "Old Joe Clark", "Sourwood Mountain", "Sally Goodin'", "Hop High Ladies", "Old Dan Tucker", "Whoa Mule", "Shortnin' Bread", "Turkey in the Straw" - it's a long list.

I guess a lot of'em can be clearly traced to Minstrel shows - but even there it's hard to say which came first, the fiddle tune or the nonsense lyrics. It's just such a "natural" thing to want to make up something to sing after playing the 3th or 4th repetition - and it's really fun to do it.

--paulm

John Gent - Posted - 04/19/2010:  07:53:23


Is it played much in the jams where y'all hail from?

TimK - Posted - 04/19/2010:  08:17:25


From a version by Hardtack & Harmony, a musical group of Civil War re-enactors:

Verse:
September morning in 62, Morgan's Yankees all withdrew.
The fight led off on the mountain top, and over the cliff we let em drop.

Chorus:
Lay down boys take a little nap, lay down boys take a little nap
lay down boys take a little nap, we're gonna raise hell in the Cumberland Gap

Verse:
They burned the meal, hay and meat, left the Rebals with nothin to eat
The Rebals now will give a little yell, scare the Yankees all to hell

DougD - Posted - 04/19/2010:  08:19:19


John - Here's a jam session I was in at Merlefest two years ago playing a version in D: youtube.com/watch?v=HpbMQEYI9yg

Also, Morgan Sexton played a nice old version of this tune, in F ("Cumberland Gap" tuning, I guess that is). Lee Sexton plays it too, and I've fiddled it with him a time or two. Here's Lee playing it: youtube.com/watch?v=AOXpLn0aqj4


Edited by - DougD on 04/19/2010 08:30:26

Shawn Craver - Posted - 04/19/2010:  08:31:17


I like Burl Hammons version of this a lot. I dont have it any more to share, but if you find it it is a great tune to show the difference between traditional mountain fiddling (central Appalachians at least) and the modern "oldtime scene" versions. Pretty sure he did it in G...

lrhamp - Posted - 04/19/2010:  08:49:04


In the video that Doug posted one should take a right at 2:20 if they want to go to Cumberland Gap National Park. The entrance is about 3? miles from this point on the left. Keep a sharp lookout or you will miss it. This places you in Virginia. Great place to camp-----and cheap.

Runaway - Posted - 04/19/2010:  13:34:10


In WNC a lot of folks play it--or at least know it. It's been played in the Toe River Valley for a long time.
In fact a man and his brother took two other fellers to court not long after the civil war for cutting them to pieces (they lived) for singing:

"talk about your butter, talk about your fat, fleas in the rebel camp big as any rat."

Sounds like Luther Strong knows how to play Cumberland Gap to me. it's very similar to the Cumberland Gap i've heard Bruce Greene play (which actually happens to be my favorite one.)

Lots of neat stuff on wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumberla...k_song%29

Runaway - Posted - 04/19/2010:  13:43:06


fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/me...archived=

The Ledford Family. A.W., Steve Ledfords daddy on fiddle

tiquose - Posted - 04/19/2010:  14:22:48


quote:
Originally posted by John Gent

Is it played much in the jams where y'all hail from?



Here in Southern Colorado, I can't recall it ever being played in a jam. Not saying it's never been played here, though.

lrhamp - Posted - 04/19/2010:  16:51:56


I've been in jams where the banjo player would kick it off but I can't ever recall a fiddle player starting this tune.

dogmageek - Posted - 04/19/2010:  17:06:43



I like the Skaggs version too:

emusic.com/album/Various-Artis...9065.html

hendrid - Posted - 04/20/2010:  10:48:13


This a a simple melody tab and ABC of Cumberland Gap with the first page of the J Buckey sheet music and what my Monroe book had. Are these ABCs and Tabs worth the time and effort to any of you and of any interest or should I just cease and desist, that means quit in Greek. I use these to get started on the tunes of interest to me. I posted on fiddlerdi's Glory in the Meeting House last week and wondered if they were out of place. Don

CUMBERLAND GAP G Monroe, fho J Buckey.com also re Bonnie James Campbell
BA G G GG | B d e2 | d B BA GE | GG G G2 |
BA G G2 | BB d e2 | d B AA G | EG G G2 | |
BA G G GG | B d e2 | d BB AA GE | E G G2 |
BA G G | BB d e2 | d B BA G | EG G G2 | ||
Tab
A1A D3 3 33 | A1 3 E | A3 1 1A D31 | 33 3 3 |
A1A D3 3 | A11 3 E | A3 11 AA D3 | 13 3 3 | |
A1A D3 3 33 | A1 3 E | A3 11 AA D31 | 1 3 3 |
A1A D3 3 | A11 3 E | A3 1 1A D3 | 13 3 3 | ||

CUMBERLAND GAP G Monroe’s Bluegrass Book
DE G2| BBdd e2 | d BA G D | DD E G2 ||
DD E G2 | BB d e2 | e d B GE | DD E G2 ||
Tab
D 1 3 | A1133 E | A31 A D3 D | DD 1 2 ||
DD 1 3 | A11 3 E | E A3 1 D3 1 | DD 1 3 ||

hendrid - Posted - 04/20/2010:  10:53:39


I’ve been following John’s posts and he has apparently become a pretty fair bow guy. Wish we had his resources on this side of the Cascade mountain range.

For those of you who are not aware, John deserves a little more respect or maybe not. John is a member of Oregon Old Time Fiddlers District 6 group. In the recent election John became the new vice chairman as of this coming June or so, a guy with power don‘t you know according to the latest OOTFA newsletter. Watch out John, they will be looking for a chairman next year. You may wind up running the whole show.

I remember when I first became aware of John back in April 2008 when Kuzz

fiddlehangout.com/forum/topic....C_ID=2967

asked about fiddling around Eugene, Oregon. John replied-- Pretty thin 'round these parts for OT. Eric might chime in - he's been at it a lot longer than I have. There's a few BG goings on at the Axe and Fiddle (axeandfiddle.com) in Cottage Grove and Sam Bonds Garage (sambonds.com). But Eugene seems to be too much an eclectic college town to foster much of our ilk.

I shouldn't say that, I haven't been at it long enough to really know. Eric Sprado seems to know quite a few OT folk around. The title of the post should zing him in soon.

I replied and guess got John in the soup, sorry John---If you define the Old Time Fiddlers Association as "Old Time", check I believe it is oofta.com, and look at the newsletter and District 6 which is the Eugene area. They have several meetings and Jams a month.

If the web site does not come up do a search on Oregon Old Time Fiddlers and that should work.

John came back--Well now, ain't I embarrassed

oregonoldtimefiddling.org

And there's two monthly jams at the Jasper Grange fer cryin out loud! I grew up 'bout a mile up the road from there. 1st Saturday and 4th Thursday. Guess I should make some phone calls, eh?

Anyway enough reminiscing. Good to see your posts and thanks for Mr. Cumberland this week John and glad it worked out for you. Hope to meet you face to face some day, 125 miles or so over the pass and down the road.

Don




robinja - Posted - 04/20/2010:  13:34:29


quote:
Originally posted by John Gent

Is it played much in the jams where y'all hail from?



There's a version in D with 3 parts that is a really popular jam tune around here. I don't have any idea where it comes from, but two of the parts are very similar to Tommy Jarrell's version.

I have about 10 versions of Cumberland Gap on my MP3 player - all but one is in G. I started trying to learn the G version about a year ago after attending a Clyde Davenport workshop. On the surface it is not a hard tune - not much melody to it really - but it seems to be difficult to play well - I'm still working on it. I don't know many people who play this version...

If I get a chance, I'll try to put up a recording of our mystery 3 part version this week. I'll also see if any of my favorite G versions are publicly available, and I'll post links to those.

Judy

John Gent - Posted - 04/20/2010:  14:14:10


quote:
Originally posted by hendrid
... the new vice chairman ...

Holy cow, I've been exposed!

Yep, when I first started this adventure, especially here at FHO, I had no idea how big this little culture of ours was. I was at a jam lately where there were probably 20 fiddlers - and I mean 20 people with fiddles under their chins at the same time. I'd have never thought there were that many fiddlers in all of Oregon, much less in District 6 - or just in that Grange hall. ... So BOY was I wrong about fiddling 'round these parts.

ironworker - Posted - 04/20/2010:  14:31:54


disappointed to see that no one(yet) cited Marion Reece's version of this tune.
i'll post it if possible, but you can find two good covers - one by Ken Jackson (a member here),
and another by Clare Milliner and Walt Koken on their "Just Tunes" cd.
Mr. Reece's version is truly inspired- a big,sweeping take on this tune.
for a fife player, he could really make his fiddle sing.

michael ford

John Gent - Posted - 04/20/2010:  16:39:31


fiddlehangout.com/forum/topic....C_ID=1955

We've been down this road before! And there's been mention of Marion's version.
The three part version has been referred to as a 'festival version'. That makes sense to me. I think I like this festival version best, so I'm gonna build on that. It also seems that, where fiddling is concerned, D is the key of choice. So I'm already halfway there.

But I have to say, all of the versions I've listened to so far are good. Even when they ain't so good, they really ain't bad at all.

hendrid - Posted - 04/20/2010:  17:07:38


Judy/robinja, Yes, I noticed a couple in D. Here is my translation from the Fiddler's Fakebook in G to D. It is a 3 parter and notice that some of the youtube versions get way down on the G string for a while. Did this in a hurry so no promises. May not be in the ballpark of versions you are interested in. Don

CUMBERLAND GAP D Tab Fiddlers Fakebook translation from G
B,||: A,A,B,C DCDE | FEFA B BB | d dd BAFE | AFEC DCB,A, |
A,A,B,B, D D/2| FEFA B2 | dBAd BAFD | AFEC D B, :||
||: A, B,A, D EE | F2 D E | F2 A B | F E D B, :||
||: A Bc dc d | f2 dc d | A Bc dcBA | AFEC D2 :||
Tab
G2 ||: 1123 DG3DD1 | D2 1 2 A 1 11 | 3 33 1AD21 | AD21G3 DG321|
G1 122 D D | 212A 1 | 31AA3 1AD2D | AD21G3 D G2 :||
||: G1 21 D 11 | 2 D 1 | 2 A 1 | D2 1 D G2 :||
||: A 12 32 3 | E1 A32 3 | A 12 321A | AD2 1G3 D :||

bosco - Posted - 04/21/2010:  00:15:00


quote:
Originally posted by OTJunky
And - as an aside - I wonder if anybody besides me thinks that tune labelled "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong on the page pointed to by lrhamp's link is mis-labelled. Sounds more like a version of "John Brown's Dream" to me.


Oh, I thought "John Brown's Dream" was a Round Peak version of "Old Hen Cackled"
Eastern Kentucky old fiddlers like John Salyer and Hiram Stumper play much the same melody as "Old Hen Cackled". And in WV, they call it "Jimmy Johnson".
Bosco

bosco - Posted - 04/21/2010:  00:22:13


quote:
Originally posted by robinja

quote:
Originally posted by John Gent

Is it played much in the jams where y'all hail from?



There's a version in D with 3 parts that is a really popular jam tune around here. I don't have any idea where it comes from, but two of the parts are very similar to Tommy Jarrell's version.


It was here at FHO or over the BHO, Brendan informed us that the mysterious 3rd part was written by Chris Romaine, if I remember it right.
Bosco


Edited by - bosco on 04/21/2010 00:33:28

bosco - Posted - 04/21/2010:  00:32:29


quote:
Originally posted by Shawn Craver

I like Burl Hammons version of this a lot. I dont have it any more to share, but if you find it it is a great tune to show the difference between traditional mountain fiddling (central Appalachians at least) and the modern "oldtime scene" versions. Pretty sure he did it in G...


Yes, he played it in G but he also played the one version in C. Which is the only C Cumberland Gap I know of.
Bosco

Brendan Doyle - Posted - 04/21/2010:  03:11:01


quote:
Originally posted by bosco


It was here at FHO or over the BHO, Brendan informed us that the mysterious 3rd part was written by Chris Romaine, if I remember it right.
Bosco
I do believe that's right, Bosco!

I also especially love Marion Reece's Cumberland Gap. Kirk Sutphin says his grandmother knew Marion Reece and said he was "an idiot"! I don't know exactly what she meant by that, but if he was an idiot, I'd say he was an idiot savant. His Cumberland Gap, Lost Girl, and Scolding Wife are some of the most beautiful and haunting fiddling ever recorded, in my humble opinion.

Brendan Doyle - Posted - 04/21/2010:  03:24:41


quote:
Originally posted by bosco

quote:
Originally posted by Shawn Craver

I like Burl Hammons version of this a lot. I dont have it any more to share, but if you find it it is a great tune to show the difference between traditional mountain fiddling (central Appalachians at least) and the modern "oldtime scene" versions. Pretty sure he did it in G...


Yes, he played it in G but he also played the one version in C. Which is the only C Cumberland Gap I know of.
Bosco

Burl was interesting that way; he also played Shanghai in both G and C, but the second half of the B part was distinctly different, with both different timing and melody. I think he had a few more tunes like that, with multiple versions in different keys.

bsed - Posted - 04/21/2010:  18:30:09


I think I've heard a tune called Cumberland Gap played by Ed Haley in A.

John Gent - Posted - 04/25/2010:  18:03:39


... and to wrap up my week with TOTW, here's the tune again with a weeks (more) worth of practice.
fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/me...archived=

Cheers.

bosco - Posted - 04/25/2010:  19:26:12


quote:
Originally posted by bsed

I think I've heard a tune called Cumberland Gap played by Ed Haley in A.


I'm not familiar with Ed Haley's fiddling but the tune sounds like G tune to me
Bosco

oldtimer - Posted - 04/27/2010:  08:34:33


quote:
Originally posted by Brendan Doyle


I also especially love Marion Reece's Cumberland Gap. Kirk Sutphin says his grandmother knew Marion Reece and said he was "an idiot"! I don't know exactly what she meant by that, but if he was an idiot, I'd say he was an idiot savant. His Cumberland Gap, Lost Girl, and Scolding Wife are some of the most beautiful and haunting fiddling ever recorded, in my humble opinion.



Where can I find recordings of these, Brendan?

Many thanks,
Glenn Godsey

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/20/2010:  06:30:06


Cumberland Gap is one of those tunes that when people say they're about to play it, they never play the same thing as what you thought, etc. Seems to be hundreds of versions... here's one that comes closest to the one I've heard the most... but it's still a little different... youtube.com/watch?v=S3qAMY676NQ

Cumberland Gap is just over the other side of the mountain from our old home... Jellico Creek Mountain (as opposed to Jellico Mountain)... we lived in the area called Bear Waller (although there are dozens of areas called Bear Waller in KY)... a hop and a skip to C. Gap. Beautiful place!

Teufelhunden54 - Posted - 05/25/2010:  16:44:43


I guess that the many versions of the same song are a result of a couple of hundred years of fiddlin' with nothing written down, much like the morphing of peoples names. An example: A friend of mine named Broadus traced his name back to Broadhurst. My own family has a name "Sumrall" which traced back to "Summerfield". Most folks, over the ages couldn't read and write so they let the port of entry clerks and the census takers invent their own spellings of names.
New a fellow who stood me down that the name of Cumberland Gap was "Tumblin' Gap". The song itself can change that way, since it was passed on by memory.

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/25/2010:  16:56:21


Lots of people who live around Cumberland Gap or that area, Cumberland River, etc., tend to call it "Cum'lin," leaving out a syllable in the middle... so I could see how that could easily translate to Tumblin' with enough hand-me-downs of the tune.

There's a famous family name around here in the history of this region of KY I'm in now called Talliferro... Italian name, only it's pronounced "Tolliver," and you can tell who's from out of the region by how they pronounce that name.

Same with when we lived in LaFollette, TN... outsiders called it la-fol-LETTE, and locals called it le-FALL-it.

Anyway... I haven't heard it called Tumblin' Gap except from links on these hangout sites... but it does make sense.

rafa - Posted - 05/25/2010:  18:09:53


Well done John!

bsed - Posted - 05/25/2010:  18:28:49


Anybody hear Albert Hash's CG? I first heard Kilby Spencer play it, but on AH's recording on FRC it's called Old Cumberland Gap. I love that tune so that sometimes I'll just put myself in a trance and play it for a quarter of an hour

Teufelhunden54 - Posted - 05/25/2010:  18:37:56


Might Google that "Tumblin' Gap" and see what comes up.

Mountainbanjo - Posted - 08/14/2010:  18:37:53


quote:
Originally posted by bosco

quote:
Originally posted by OTJunky
And - as an aside - I wonder if anybody besides me thinks that tune labelled "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong on the page pointed to by lrhamp's link is mis-labelled. Sounds more like a version of "John Brown's Dream" to me.


Oh, I thought "John Brown's Dream" was a Round Peak version of "Old Hen Cackled"
Eastern Kentucky old fiddlers like John Salyer and Hiram Stumper play much the same melody as "Old Hen Cackled". And in WV, they call it "Jimmy Johnson".
Bosco





I'm having a hard time hearing Jimmy Johnson in Salyer's Old Hen Cackled. Are my ears busted (did they ever work?) or did I misunderstand you?

Mountainbanjo - Posted - 08/14/2010:  18:43:24


quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Brendan Doyle


I also especially love Marion Reece's Cumberland Gap. Kirk Sutphin says his grandmother knew Marion Reece and said he was "an idiot"! I don't know exactly what she meant by that, but if he was an idiot, I'd say he was an idiot savant. His Cumberland Gap, Lost Girl, and Scolding Wife are some of the most beautiful and haunting fiddling ever recorded, in my humble opinion.



Where can I find recordings of these, Brendan?

Many thanks,
Glenn Godsey


Did you ever find these? I found Cumberland gap on Amazon but not the others.

Brendan Doyle - Posted - 08/15/2010:  03:21:37


quote:
Originally posted by Mountainbanjo
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer
quote:
Originally posted by Brendan Doyle

I also especially love Marion Reece's Cumberland Gap. Kirk Sutphin says his grandmother knew Marion Reece and said he was "an idiot"! I don't know exactly what she meant by that, but if he was an idiot, I'd say he was an idiot savant. His Cumberland Gap, Lost Girl, and Scolding Wife are some of the most beautiful and haunting fiddling ever recorded, in my humble opinion.

Where can I find recordings of these, Brendan?

Many thanks,
Glenn Godsey
Did you ever find these? I found Cumberland gap on Amazon but not the others.
I never got back to Glenn on this, but I'll remedy that now (if you're out there, Glenn!). Here you can download most of the Marion Reece tunes I know of:
mediafire.com/?bo85tu1jsdh53

To the best of my knowledge, these are Library of Congress recordings, recorded in maybe 1941 (I could look it up, but I'm feeling lazy just now). The three tunes I mentioned above are some of my favorites, but there are other gems in there, too. The fidelity varies from bad to awful, but the music shines through!


Edited by - Brendan Doyle on 08/15/2010 03:25:35

Mountainbanjo - Posted - 08/15/2010:  05:38:58


thanks-clearly the one on Amazon is not Marion fiddling, it's just his version.

bsed - Posted - 08/15/2010:  18:52:25


quote:
Originally posted by bosco

[quote]Originally posted by OTJunky
Eastern Kentucky old fiddlers like John Salyer and Hiram Stumper ...
Bosco

um, I believe you meant Stamper.

bosco - Posted - 08/15/2010:  20:02:35


quote:
Originally posted by Mountainbanjo

quote:
Originally posted by bosco

quote:
Originally posted by OTJunky
And - as an aside - I wonder if anybody besides me thinks that tune labelled "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong on the page pointed to by lrhamp's link is mis-labelled. Sounds more like a version of "John Brown's Dream" to me.


Oh, I thought "John Brown's Dream" was a Round Peak version of "Old Hen Cackled"
Eastern Kentucky old fiddlers like John Salyer and Hiram Stumper play much the same melody as "Old Hen Cackled". And in WV, they call it "Jimmy Johnson".
Bosco





I'm having a hard time hearing Jimmy Johnson in Salyer's Old Hen Cackled. Are my ears busted (did they ever work?) or did I misunderstand you?



Everyone has different ears
Does "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong sound like "John Brown's Dream" to you?
Bosco

bosco - Posted - 08/15/2010:  20:03:37


quote:
Originally posted by bsed

quote:
Originally posted by bosco

[quote]Originally posted by OTJunky
Eastern Kentucky old fiddlers like John Salyer and Hiram Stumper ...
Bosco

um, I believe you meant Stamper.


Thanks bsed. You can be my spell-checker
Bosco

bosco - Posted - 08/15/2010:  20:08:56


quote:
Originally posted by bosco

quote:
Originally posted by robinja

quote:
Originally posted by John Gent

Is it played much in the jams where y'all hail from?



There's a version in D with 3 parts that is a really popular jam tune around here. I don't have any idea where it comes from, but two of the parts are very similar to Tommy Jarrell's version.


It was here at FHO or over the BHO, Brendan informed us that the mysterious 3rd part was written by Chris Romaine, if I remember it right.
Bosco


I asked Chris Romaine about the 3rd part of CG at Mt. Airy this year. He said "No, I didn't write it". Umm, the origin of that part is wrapped in mystery again.
Bosco

Mountainbanjo - Posted - 08/15/2010:  20:42:15


quote:
Originally posted by bosco

Everyone has different ears
Does "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong sound like "John Brown's Dream" to you?
Bosco



I do hear a resemblance there.

bosco - Posted - 08/15/2010:  20:50:46


quote:
Originally posted by Mountainbanjo

quote:
Originally posted by bosco

Everyone has different ears
Does "Old Hen Cackled" from Luther Strong sound like "John Brown's Dream" to you?
Bosco



I do hear a resemblance there.


Then, don't you hear a resemblance Luther's Old Hen She Cackled and Salyer's?
Bosco

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