fiddlenbanjo - Posted - 09/23/2009:  23:08:43

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Anybody like to do this? I learned a new recently I'm having fun with. It goes from a 5 and 3 of a chord to the b7th and 5, giving it a 7th chord feel.

On the G and D string it works like this. 1st finger on the A (G string) and 2nd finger on the F# (D string). This is part of a D chord. Then just slide the fingering as is up to you have a 1st finger C (Gstring) and a 2nd finger A. Now you've got 2 notes of a D7 chord and you're ready to change to a G chord.

Move that up a string and you're on an A chord.

On the top 2 strings it's an E chord.

As you slide you might notice that the space between your fingers has to get a little smaller for perfect intonation.

If you're playing bluegrass backup (or soloing) in the key of A, there's a lot of mileage to be found in this one sliding doublestop.

Eric Sprado - Posted - 09/24/2009:  09:44:15

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Welcome to the world of sliding double stops. Part of the stock in trade of a Country Western fiddler. That particular shape of double stop is interesting. Being,of course, only two notes it is a part of a zillion(well-not quite) other chords. First finger G on D string and Second finger E on A string is,among other things, an A7,a C, a G6th and ON and ON.Have lots of fun playing with them. I slide the first finger E on D string and second finger C on A string up to the above mentioned C chord A LOT. Both up and down. I'll stop here. Could go on and on and on. Yell if you'd like some more, Eric

phicks - Posted - 09/24/2009:  14:46:14

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As a bluegrass and western swing fiddler, I could not live without sliding doublestops. Try changing left hand fingerings DURING the slide for more effects.

Pedro

kubasa - Posted - 09/24/2009:  15:03:46

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I really enjoy sliding double stops too. I use it on about 3 tunes that I play. It really adds.

bsed - Posted - 09/24/2009:  17:59:17

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Yeah, there's 1 or 2 waltzes I've used them with. And it also works well on Ragtime Annie.

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Edited by - bsed on 09/24/2009 17:59:57

fiddlenbanjo - Posted - 09/25/2009:  05:41:39

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That slide on the 2 middle strings is a great ear trainer too. When you get up to the G (D string) and E (A string), you should get some sympathetic tone and extra volume from the open G and E strings, letting you know that your intonation it right.

Then slowly raise that G note to a G# and you've got an E chord. I can't wait to find places to use this lick. It is very subtle. Perhaps waltzes and slower tunes would be good candidates.

dsreiner - Posted - 09/25/2009:  10:42:35

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Originally posted by fiddlenbanjo

That slide on the 2 middle strings is a great ear trainer too. When you get up to the G (D string) and E (A string), you should get some sympathetic tone and extra volume from the open G and E strings, letting you know that your intonation it right.

Then slowly raise that G note to a G# and you've got an E chord. I can't wait to find places to use this lick. It is very subtle. Perhaps waltzes and slower tunes would be good candidates.

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Here's a great place to use it - Old Home Place, key of C.

Chords start out 1-#3-4-1, or C-E-F-C.

(Alternative way of thinking about chords 1-1aug-4-1, or C-Caug-F-C)

However you think about the chords, the G to G# movement is critical to the harmony.

Dave

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Ozarkian D.L. - Posted - 09/26/2009:  05:59:20

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I suspose whut lil I play would be considered country western being frum Mo., I've adopted lot's a double-stop & slide playing too. Most'a this complitation floats over me head ( flats, sharps, 7th's., 9th's etc. since I do'nt read music ), but I do realise it gives great effect ta fiddle music. NOW....if'n I cud only learn Vibrato ( think that's spelled right ). LOL

Eric Sprado - Posted - 09/27/2009:  11:14:03

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Playing theory doesn't need to include knowing how to read music. Having some reasonable number of fingers and toes and somebody to spend an hour with you to go over some basic chord structure is all it takes. I played for years with strange bands with just somebody saying "this has a typical 1,6,2,5, structure and runs up to a 4 on the bridge". Not as complicated as it seems and I'm sure many of the folks,including me,would be glad to help you. This is NOT genre specific stuff!!!!!!!! It is the stuff of most working musicians. Just say the word and we'll help all we can...... Eric

FiddlinCol - Posted - 10/08/2009:  11:05:56

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Ok hers another one.

If the song goes thought the cycle...G....E...A...D...G

Start from a G over 1&2 strings. B on A and G on E.

The E7th chord.....2nd Finger D on A str and 1st fing G# on E strg.
The A7th chord....2nd str C# on A..... 1st fing G on Estrg.
The D7th chord....2nd fing C on A str... 1st fing F# on Estrg.

Resolve to G.

There's heaps more but that a good one to learn.




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bowbag - Posted - 10/08/2009:  11:58:28

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My three year old daughter really loves sliding double stops. Especially if I do one on the G and D and side it up slowly while shaking the bow really fast so it sounds like it's gonna explode. While my daughter loves it my wife and cats hate it, go figure.

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fiddlenbanjo - Posted - 10/09/2009:  07:00:33

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Originally posted by FiddlinCol

The E7th chord.....2nd Finger D on A str and 1st fing G# on E strg.
The A7th chord....2nd str C# on A..... 1st fing G on Estrg.
The D7th chord....2nd fing C on A str... 1st fing F# on Estrg.

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That makes for a great comping doublestop on guitar too, especially for blues. I forgot what it's called.

piano_man_miller - Posted - 10/20/2009:  22:26:49

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HI Eric,
I"m trying to get a better idea of how this words. I'm really unsure of what I should even ask you but I'm wanting to do more backup playing and I would like to have a little more info on this system. Is this the nashville system that you are referring to? If so how can I make this work with the fiddle? Hope this is making sense.
Thanks for the help

quote]Originally posted by Eric Sprado

Playing theory doesn't need to include knowing how to read music. Having some reasonable number of fingers and toes and somebody to spend an hour with you to go over some basic chord structure is all it takes. I played for years with strange bands with just somebody saying "this has a typical 1,6,2,5, structure and runs up to a 4 on the bridge". Not as complicated as it seems and I'm sure many of the folks,including me,would be glad to help you. This is NOT genre specific stuff!!!!!!!! It is the stuff of most working musicians. Just say the word and we'll help all we can...... Eric


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countrydude911 - Posted - 02/19/2010:  10:40:03

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I would love to really start learnin the sliding double stops......Ive been workin on 3rd position a lot........and I love the sound of double stops goin up and down...what are some common ones you might use sliding from 1st to 3rd ?

Henry George - Posted - 02/20/2010:  03:33:11

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Originally posted by fiddlenbanjo

That makes for a great comping doublestop on guitar too, especially for blues. I forgot what it's called.

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I think you're talking about the The tritone, sometimes known as the Diabolus in Musica, it's an augmented fourth interval.

I like sliding up with the 1st and 3rd fingers, say in G... 1 @ 3 on B @ G up to D @ B which can go further up to the I7....F@D. And in between there is C@A for the V7 and further up is Eb@C = V7 b9. Done on all adjacent strings you also can start with the minor 3rd..ie, B@G# including slides up. 3rds can also be played with 2@4 fingers with slides.
Then there is the 6th interval double stops....1@2 and 2@3 and 3@4 all slides both major and minor intervals.

ccravens - Posted - 02/20/2010:  06:51:50

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Are there any books, videos, or online resources that teach these sliding DStops? Specific tabs of songs on this site or elsewhere that utilize them a lot? Great topic.

Thanks!

JackJack - Posted - 02/20/2010:  13:26:21

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Originally posted by ccravens

Are there any books, videos, or online resources that teach these sliding DStops? Specific tabs of songs on this site or elsewhere that utilize them a lot? Great topic.

Thanks!

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I just put the keywords "double stops on fiddle" into YouTube.com and got this as the first video.

youtube.com/watch?v=8A3VCKHwwOY

There were a bunch more video lessons from other teachers as well!

I love the internet (sometimes).