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Oct 1, 2026 - 4:34:59 AM
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933 posts since 11/26/2013

Take a phrase, say an 8 note one, and play around making it sound different - bowings, timing, emphasis etc, just to see what it sounds like? I do more of this then anything honestly. I feel it improves all sorts of skills and muscle memory, and allows me to improvise much better and faster.

Oct 1, 2026 - 4:43:26 AM

martyjoe

Ireland

391 posts since 7/11/2024

So you’re also a Jazz violinist. I didn’t know that pirates play jazz. devil

Edited by - martyjoe on 10/01/2026 04:44:42

Oct 1, 2026 - 6:20:18 AM
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4212 posts since 10/22/2007

Kinda.
Just about every time I sit down to practice, I play a 12bar Blues progression in D. There's enough "fence" around the outside, yet lots of room to stretch out.

Oct 1, 2026 - 7:03:53 AM

2643 posts since 3/1/2020

On occasion, I’ve done this for fun. It can be interesting to see how a phrase changes meaning with a bit of rearrangement and it can make you pay more attention to certain aspects of playing. At times it can provide insight into playing a phrase more cleanly when returning to the standard form. It can, as mentioned, be a sort of springing board into improvisation.

Oct 1, 2026 - 7:29:16 AM

3025 posts since 8/27/2008

I do that some. I think I do it more when I am humming or replaying music phrases in my head.

Oct 1, 2026 - 10:07:05 AM
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933 posts since 11/26/2013

Marty it depends. When I play with The Brigands, the music is pretty set and the crew gets upset if I improv too much, especially on duet tunes ( rightly so). But when I'm playing bluegrass, especially songs, fills and breaks, I always improv over the melody and chords. Trying to create a style thats elements of BG, Celtic, Swing and what evers in my head that night. Doing the above helps me flesh out ideas. Like poking a ball of clay and see what comes out. Keeps my bowing fluid and less rhythmically locked in.

I was just curious if anyone else does this.

Oct 1, 2026 - 10:25:16 AM

3383 posts since 4/6/2014

All the time.

Oct 1, 2026 - 11:35:35 AM
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2196 posts since 7/30/2021

That sounds like a really good exercise!

I don’t do it much, because I have a fear of forgetting how the actual tune goes…
as time goes by they get a bit morphed and mushed in my head already. :-D

Oct 1, 2026 - 1:18:52 PM
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martyjoe

Ireland

391 posts since 7/11/2024

The band dedannan did a really cool version of the beetles song hey Jude. You should look it up. They changed the feel of it completely.

Oct 1, 2026 - 2:26:16 PM
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2196 posts since 7/30/2021

COol! Frankie Gavin is such a creative and entertaining musician... hey Jude

Oct 1, 2026 - 5:54:53 PM
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2705 posts since 8/23/2008

I hardly ever play my repertoire of jigs, reels and polkas, but they are on reserve in case a bush dance pops up. However, when practicing "the Bow patterns" I do make up phrases to fit each pattern, and those phrases change as I become fluent with the bowings, as I continue to sequence them through the scales. Some times the bowings sneak into the tunes at appropriate places. I also find that the bowings will influence melodic ideas in my improvs.

Oct 5, 2026 - 4:02:11 PM

3884 posts since 9/13/2009

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Originally posted by wrench13

Take a phrase, say an 8 note one, and play around making it sound different - bowings, timing, emphasis etc, just to see what it sounds like? I do more of this then anything honestly. I feel it improves all sorts of skills and muscle memory, and allows me to improvise much better and faster.


Yes, similar I do this in various ways and to different degrees.  Maybe this relates to discussions about how learns tunes, and playing freely. It's pretty much my background; part of how I learned to play, and how think about playing music, what goals. That is, I didn't come from background of formal music world; practicing; of things like scale exercises and execution of fixed idea "as written" instructions, (nor nec that there was a single rigid fixed "right"). Rather included lots of the idea of freedom; experimenting, noodling with and exploring ways can twist and turn the melody, (harmonically and rhythmically) to give different feel/expression. Also included borrowing ideas from other styles/grooves or instrument; or just noodling around, from happy accidents of discovery; open to what different possible ways a melodic idea can be.

I don't really think of it as jazz per se; nor necessarily about jazz improvising, along those lines.

A lot of it is  "just to see what it sounds like?" - staying curious, ask what if? Some are set up as various exercises, using some seed idea as initial spark, see where goes. Doesn't always fully pan out, but feel like I learn something from it; overall skills or understanding, that might find useful for something else. One aspect it helps IMO, is for jams... ability to listen adjust and adapt.

Edited by - alaskafiddler on 10/05/2026 16:06:15

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