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Jul 31, 2026 - 10:30:40 AM
3321 posts since 4/6/2014

i need to learn it in the minor setting

Jul 31, 2026 - 11:58:24 AM
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DougD

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13004 posts since 12/2/2007

I think this is really more of a banjo tune/song. Also it's "modal" rather than strictly "minor."
Here's a good fiddle/banjo version:
slippery-hill.com/content/shady-grove-0
The late Morgan Sexton played a great banjo version of "Shady Grove," but I can't seem to find it online.

Jul 31, 2026 - 12:02:20 PM
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carlb

USA

2769 posts since 2/2/2008

Jul 31, 2026 - 12:23:57 PM

3321 posts since 4/6/2014

Great Thanks Jon Beckoff Does it for me and i don't even need to transpose!... Shame on me for not checking out Slippery Hill Brilliant site!

Yep Modal Probably Mixolydian/Dorian?

 

Thanks Again

Edited by - pete_fiddle on 07/31/2026 12:25:53

Jul 31, 2026 - 1:01:58 PM
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DougD

USA

13004 posts since 12/2/2007

Here's a site where you can preview Morgan Sexton singing this song, and purchase it if you wish: juneappalrecordings.bandcamp.c...y-grove-7
I still remember when I first heard him play and sing this, and since that time none of the other versions have really held up.

Jul 31, 2026 - 1:14:53 PM

3321 posts since 4/6/2014

Great version Doug , but i little esoteric for my needs, i just need a good G version, most youtubes seem to be Dm. To play along with a Brit Americana Band that plays and sings it in G, (they call it G minor but as you say it is most likely G Modal Dorian/Mixolydian.

Edited by - pete_fiddle on 07/31/2026 13:15:47

Jul 31, 2026 - 1:48:33 PM

DougD

USA

13004 posts since 12/2/2007

It is esoteric, but I think it really conveys the meaning of the song. I'm surprised that YouTubes are in dminor (well, not so much really - there's a lot of unreliable stuff on YouTube these days) - I've always thought of it as a G or A modal banjo song. Morgan played some of those lonesome old tunes in G modal tuning (2nd string up to C) but with the fifth string tuned down to F, and fingered in F, but this one is in G.

Edited by - DougD on 07/31/2026 13:54:10

Jul 31, 2026 - 2:35:04 PM

DougD

USA

13004 posts since 12/2/2007

pete - One more and I'll let you go. This is Morgan Sexton's nephew Lee playing his version of "Shady Grove." juneappalrecordings.bandcamp.c...ady-grove
I recorded this one, and may have recorded Morgan too - I recorded a lot of that album, but not all of it.

Jul 31, 2026 - 3:05:32 PM

3321 posts since 4/6/2014

Yea but i'm just a Brit fiddler trying to learn a version in a G (Ish) sort of tone center, to play along with others who are probably playing what they think of as a G Chord but really only consists of G's And D's with no 3rd and an F (ish) Diad as a cadence to lead back to the G and D diad all very open to interpretation as it should be. basically any thing that goes with a G Drone with an F note as a Cadence. It's so simple it is complicated.

Stick a C chord in there before the F for a bit of Rock Sound and it will amaze the audience...Wow.

Not trying to be a genuine Appalachian person or anything.

Aug 2, 2026 - 6:39:12 AM
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390 posts since 4/17/2023

I always liked Henry Reed's. It's more fiddly than most I've heard... Nice melodic stuff happening through out. https://www.loc.gov/item/afcreed000106/

I recorded an aggressive fiddly version I learned from Western Maryland fiddler Grover Broadwater in the early 90s. He sawed the hell out if it, and I've never heard anyone fiddle it better... though it was not one he usually played (he usually played a lot of rags and typical tunes). That can be found on my web site.

Edited by - ShawnCraver on 08/02/2026 06:45:46

Aug 2, 2026 - 7:26:47 AM

108 posts since 8/21/2009

When I played it on dobro, I played in whatever keys is Em and D. I'm guessing that was E Dorian or E minor. When I see the listings that say G Modal or A Modal, I'm wondering exactly what key/mode they are talking about. I've noticed with folk music in a mode, the listed key is not technically the true key/mode; like I've heard many whistles tunes label just "D" when they are actually in E Dorian.

Aug 3, 2026 - 2:15:54 AM

3321 posts since 4/6/2014

Chord/Mode wise, Jon Beckoffs version uses G (no 3rd) so major or minor, F and Dm( ?) to my ear, so G Dorian mode (to me). Second mode of F Major.

Melody wise, Most of the tune sits within the F major scale on the D&A strings ("A"part anyway),1st finger on the F and 2nd finger on the G etc. And also utilises the open D&A strings and a few blue notes here and there.In standard tuning.

Edited by - pete_fiddle on 08/03/2026 02:17:32

Aug 3, 2026 - 4:45:44 AM
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carlb

USA

2769 posts since 2/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by ShawnCraver

I always liked Henry Reed's. It's more fiddly than most I've heard... Nice melodic stuff happening through out. https://www.loc.gov/item/afcreed000106/


Me too. Been playing this version since about 1974.

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