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froglips - Posted - 06/15/2009: 13:06:21
Is a Slur basically a hammer on, pull off, slide, or bend, that you do without stopping the bow until the last note under the slur line?
Thanks.
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froglips - Posted - 06/15/2009: 13:36:51
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Originally posted by bj
Um, what's a "hammer on, pull off . . . or bend"???
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Yeah, I guess there is not much bending going on when playing a Fiddle.
A hammer on is like if you had your index finger already placed at the B note on the A string, then as it is sounding out you place your middle finger down onto the C# note without changing bow direction or stopping the bow in between the two notes.
A pull off is the same as a hammer on, except that you would pull the middle finger off of the C# note after it was already sounding out, to allow the B note to ring out afterward.
These are mostly guitar terms I guess. I do not know what they are called in the Fiddle world though.
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OTJunky - Posted - 06/15/2009: 13:54:00
In fiddling "slurring" means playing two or more notes without changing the bow's direction.
--OTJ
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curlyrayfan - Posted - 06/15/2009: 19:32:50
quote:
Originally posted by OTJunky
In fiddling "slurring" means playing two or more notes without changing the bow's direction.
--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"
This is a very good definition
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ChickenMan - Posted - 06/16/2009: 06:03:14
hammer ons and pull offs ARE slurs in the fretted world except those moves are often done forcefully in order to SOUND like they were picked
hammer on= slur to a note of higher pitch
pull off= slur to a note of lower pitch
every note that isn't picked (or bowed) is a slur
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Edited by - ChickenMan on 06/16/2009 06:05:33
FiddlPat - Posted - 06/16/2009: 06:07:51
I concur,,,for what it's worth. OTJunky's definition is the best and most concise one.
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Peghead - Posted - 06/17/2009: 10:37:36
I'm not positive but I think the slur is more of a musical idea not defined specifically by bow direction. (There are several bow techniques where you don't change direction but do take the bow off the string to separate the notes) Slurs are smoothly connected sounding notes with no spaces between them. You can add some effects between slurred notes. When slurring down to a lower note on the same string you can "pull off" to add a percussive quality by snapping the string with the finger thats leaving. Also, when slurring down if you lift your finger straight up rapidly it creates a very articulate "sucking" sound. (no pun intended! - I don't know how else to describe it) Coming down on the string sharplly can also create a percussive, but it's just a mechanical rap on the finger board and doesn't project well. The noting fingers need to be strong and independant to get these sounds . Greg
Edited by - Peghead on 06/17/2009 10:46:39
OTJunky - Posted - 06/17/2009: 11:13:55
Yeah, I guess I should've written, "In fiddling, "slurring" means playing two or more notes without changing the bow's direction, without taking the hair off the strings, and without "pulsing" the bow"... 
--OTJ
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FiddlPat - Posted - 06/17/2009: 14:06:56
A well executed slur is when you make the listener feel thoroughly insulted when you play it. An offensive bow stroke, in other words. Best played with a subtle, yet intrusive, relative of crescendo, known as innuendo.
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Edited by - FiddlPat on 06/17/2009 15:23:22
abinigia - Posted - 06/17/2009: 17:18:02
Regarding "pulling off" notes, I find there is a crisper sound if I do pull sideways on the string a little while doing the pull off (almost plucking), especially when doing a descending triplet. If I just lift my fingers up the notes are not as defined.
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Billy Joe - Posted - 06/18/2009: 13:02:14
what would you think if right now all you were getting out of your sluring, was squeaking, and squawking, Well ,,not quite that bad. maybe alittle slurring.
But, there no cat's staying around when I'm saw my string's HA HA BJ
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amwildman - Posted - 06/28/2009: 22:57:57
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Originally posted by OTJunky
Yeah, I guess I should've written, "In fiddling, "slurring" means playing two or more notes without changing the bow's direction, without taking the hair off the strings, and without "pulsing" the bow"...
Why would changing the speed of the bow matter? Is that what you mean by 'pulse'?
bj - Posted - 06/29/2009: 04:01:39
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Why would changing the speed of the bow matter? Is that what you mean by 'pulse'?
"Pulsing" is a technique where you can play two notes of the same pitch with the bow continuing in the same direction for both by pulsing the pressure on the bowhair. And yes, when I do it there is a hesitation in speed between the notes. I don't stop the bow completely, but I do slow it down for the space between the notes as I'm taking pressure off it.
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FiddlPat - Posted - 06/30/2009: 06:40:51
While looking in Thede's book last night, one thing I did notice is how she would transcribe an eighth and a quarter(or the like) at the end of a phrase, and invariably it's with an up stroke, and the second note of the two tied notes is given a > over it,,,a pulse, before the next measure starts, on a down bow. This is throughout the book. A pulse,,and it reminds me of the description of the 'up driven bow' ascribed to Niel Gow,,because it's always happening on an up bow,,,though it's not exactly the same thing,,it's close. She leaves little out,,and whether or not you'll find 'bowing patterns' per se therein,,,you'll know how she wants it bowed. And she was transcribing exactly what and how she saw the fiddlers in Oklahoma doing it.
PS As I thought more about this today, it seems to make perfect sense,,,if the last phrase was on an upstroke, and the fiddler wanted to start the next measure on a downbow, it'd make sense to to push the bow toward the frog, so as to have the most bow you could to start the down stroke,,and this necessity, like as not, gave rise to the tendency to pulse the last part of the the tied up stroke phrase.
Pat
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Gow beat time and time beat Gow
Edited by - FiddlPat on 06/30/2009 19:49:51
