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John Gent - Posted - 07/18/2008:  17:13:00


Hey all,

I seem to remember someone working on this tune (was that you bsed?). I don't see it in the juke box and tried to do a forum search and ran into that runtime error deal that Eric is working on.

Does anyone have a version they'd share? Don't really care about the format - I'd even take notation

- John
Eugene, Oregon, USA

phototropic1 - Posted - 07/18/2008:  18:02:41


I love that tune. Every now and then, I'll tune my fiddle to ADAE and mess around with trying to learn that one. It's pretty easy to get close by ear, but I never quite get there without mixing up the parts. The only copy I have of that tune is off Rayna Gellert's cd.

bsed - Posted - 07/18/2008:  18:47:03


Yeah, John, I've been playing that tune. Even got it included in our bands tune rotation. I'll see if I can get it posted in the next couple days. I'll slow it down for you.

Just call me Dwight.

John Gent - Posted - 07/18/2008:  19:02:49


quote:
Originally posted by bsed... I'll slow it down for you. ...

Thanks bsed, there's no need to slow it down. Really, it'd be good to hear you at regular speed. I can use the Media Player slow down deal.

- John
Eugene, Oregon, USA

FiddleJammer - Posted - 07/18/2008:  20:45:38


I probably have 3 festival versions of folks trying to get the parts right, so don't look to me for any mp3's. Stick with Rayna's version.

:-)

Cheers,

Terri

tunelist, musings, and podcasts at
http://fiddlejammer.blogspot.com

bsed - Posted - 07/19/2008:  07:47:00


I just posted the tune. I did end up playing a slowed down version a couple times through for anybody else that wants to learn it. It's not a 'regular' tune. It's what we call 'crooked'. But that's why I like playing it so much.

Just call me Dwight.

John Gent - Posted - 07/19/2008:  08:39:45


Perfect, thanks! I also love the fact that it's crooked. Partly because it's a challenge for me - but mostly because it is a great tune.

- John
Eugene, Oregon, USA

John Gent - Posted - 07/20/2008:  09:19:32


Yikes, that is a crooked tune! Funny how it sounds really nice listening to it, but playing it really shows the kinks. I think I've got it though (no drones or double stops).

- John
Eugene, Oregon, USA

woodwiz - Posted - 07/20/2008:  10:13:30


When I was at Fiddle Hell in Massachusetts last year, I played "Marmaduke's Hornpipe", and one of the local fiddlers there swore it was called "Winder Slide" in his part of the country. But - the version recorded here bears no resemblance whatsoever to Marmaduke's HP.

Doing a little research, I find that a tune called "Winder Slide" was written by Joe LaRose around 1980, and covered by Molsky, and then LaRose created a second version which was recorded by Gellert.

Anybody know how Winder Slide could get mixed up with Marmaduke's? Is there an older version of Winder Slide?

If anybody needs dots for Marmadukes Hornpipe, Charlie Walden's transcription can be found here:

http://www.missourifiddling.com/Mus...armaduke.htm

I still find it quite a challenge to play it up to speed, which is about 120 bpm for the quarter notes. There's a lot going on in the B part.

Michael R

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hendrid - Posted - 07/21/2008:  09:11:46


Hi Folks,

Thanks for the dots on Marmaduke's Woodwiz. There is a version on youtube.com by Stuart and Vivian Williams if anyone is interested.

Interesting thread John, I chased around a little yesterday looking into Winder Slide. Interesting. Thanks.

Don

MikeyBoy - Posted - 07/21/2008:  09:54:17


quote:
Originally posted by woodwiz



Doing a little research, I find that a tune called "Winder Slide" was written by Joe LaRose around 1980, and covered by Molsky, and then LaRose created a second version which was recorded by Gellert.





Love this tune. I'll have to listen again to both the Molsky and Gellert versions. I didn't think there was any substantive difference (just listening casually), other than Molsky's is more up tempo. And Bsed, thanks for posting it on your page!

hendrid - Posted - 07/21/2008:  16:13:12


Here is some more info I dug up on Winder slide. The first address is some sort of tab layout of the tune.


Winder Slide

http://butchross.com/mp3/winderslide_simp.pdf This is a printout of the song in tab form

The above is a version of the song on maybe mandolin or banjo tabs or even fiddle in DAD tuning. We should be able to convert it to a simpler fiddle tab version. You might try it as is on a higher position in DAD fiddle tuning and see what you hear. I am locked in on GDAE fiddle tuning myself by personal preference as a novice, but will take a crack at it. If you have a favorite fiddle tuning for this song, go for it.

re- http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/WIN_WIZ.htm

WINDER SLIDE. AKA – “End of the Lane.” Old-Time, Breakdown. A modern ‘old-time’ tune composed around 1980 by Joe LaRose, in the style of Gus and Theodore Clark, who recorded 2 sides in North Georgia about 1930 --"Barrow County Stomp" and "Wimbush Rag." Two versions are played, one from Joe’s original recording, covered by Bruce Molsky. A second version was developed by LaRose, who added to the ‘B’ part of the tune. This latter version was recorded by Rayna Gellert, learned from Bill Dillof. Kerry Blech writes: “Bruce first heard it on a tape sent to him by a friend. Joe's original recording of it was double tracked guitar and fiddle, with 78rpm surface noise overlaid. The first version he sent around was jokingly titled as by Gus and Theo. Clark. I forwarded it, as is, to many friends, and that is what Bruce apparently received in the mail. WS also was left alongside the other two real 78rpm cuts of the the Clarks, and was at the end of the taped interview with Bert Layne. Bruce later told me that what he found out from me was called "Winder Slide" was untitled on that tape and that he started calling it "The End of the Layne."

END OF THE LANE. AKA and see “Winder Slide.” AKA – “End of the Layne.” Old-Time, Breakdown. The title supposedly came about because it was the last piece on a privately-circulated tape recording of old-time fiddler Bert Layne, of Skillet Lickers fame. The tune was not introduced or otherwise identified and, since it was at the end of the tape, it was dubbed “End of the Layne.” The original title is Winder Slide, composed by Joe LaRose

WIMBUSH RAG. Old-Time, Country Rag. D Major. Standard tuning. AAB. The original source for the tune was Theodore and Gus Clark of Barrow County, Georgia. Source for notated version: the Canebrake Rattlers [Phillips]. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), vol. 2, 1995; pg. 172. Voyager VRCD-354, Hart & Blech – “Build Me a Boat.”

http://www.ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/h...ld+Joe+Clark

WIMBUSH RAG. Old-Time, Country Rag. D Major. Standard. AAB. The original source for the tune was Theodore and Gus Clark of Barrow County, Georgia. Source for notated version: the Canebrake Rattlers [Phillips]. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), Vol. 2, 1995; pg. 172.

WINDER SLIDE. AKA - "End of the Lane." Old-Time, Breakdown. A modern 'old-time' tune composed around 1980 by Joe LaRose, in the style of Gus and Theodore Clark, who recorded 2 sides in North Georgia about 1930 --"Barrow County Stomp" and "Wimbush Rag." Two versions are played, one from Joe's original recording, covered by Bruce Molsky. A second version was developed by LaRose, who added to the 'B' part of the tune. This latter version was recorded by Rayna Gellert, learned from Bill Dillof. Kerry

Some repetition in the above and some of the same things pointed out by you folks.

Enjoy. Don Redmond Oregon

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