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John Gent - Posted - 11/22/2007: 23:30:02
Are there any tricks to designing a harmony part for a 2nd fiddle? I've heard "move everything up 5 half steps", and while that works some, it can make for some horrible dog howling noise. Or is this something I'm trying to approach with the engineer half of my brain, when the artistic side should be in charge?
I have a friend that does a really nice job of Ashokan Farewell and we'd like to hammer out something for me to do as a second. (If anyone has haromony tab, notation or a MIDI for this, that'd even be better!)
Cheers!
- John
Edited by - OTJunky on 05/30/2008 17:37:32
M-D - Posted - 11/23/2007: 09:54:46
John,
The fifth is a general guideline. It may be, however, that the second, third, or sixth, etc. happens the be the right note. It all depends on how it sounds, not some hard-and-fast formula. I use TablEdit for this, as it allows me to have the tune there, create a harmony part to go with it, then play the two together. I am not good at this, so it takes me a bit to get things right. I know people, however, who are able to concoct a harmony part on the fly, whilst someone else is playing. One person can even just write it out, no problem, as she's listening to the tune being played. Just have fun with it, and it'll come, though.
_________________________________________________________________
M-D
Music is found in the space between the notes -- in the silence between the chords. Get your spaces right, and you've got it. ~ Albert Greenfield
Dick Hauser - Posted - 11/23/2007: 11:15:02
Check Phillip's book on playing harmony. He discusses the technique and provides notation for both melody and harmony. A CD is included with the book, so you could practice playing harmony for some of those tunes. It is a Mel Bay publication, but I think Phillips also sells the book/CD on his websiite.
In his book "Getting Into Fiddling", Duncan wrote that the recording of "Ashokan Farewell" included 3 fiddlers.
gulfguy
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/23/2007: 22:01:48
Hi, John, do you know in what key your friend plays Ashokan Farewell?
Licha
John Gent - Posted - 11/24/2007: 01:30:07
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
Hi, John, do you know in what key your friend plays Ashokan Farewell?
Key is D. But if you have anything, I can transpose it. Thanks.
- John
fiddleshark - Posted - 11/24/2007: 03:21:09
Often you can just play a 3rd (two notes up *in the scale*) and it will work, though not as well as another note might. For example, in the key of C, when the lead plays a C you could play an E, and when the lead plays a D you could play an F. The first interval is 4 half steps, and the next interval is only 3, but it fits with the scale.
It also depends heavily on what chord is being played, which is why it is helpful to know the chords of a song when trying to play harmony. If the lead is playing a G, you would play a C note with a C chord and a B note with a G chord; playing them vice versa would sound awful. Most fiddle tunes have only three chords and are played in one of about six keys, so once you're familiar with the useful half of the circle of 5ths you should be golden. In general the shape of the harmony part (the rising and falling) should more or less mirror the lead line. You just have to do it enough to get a feel for it.
Playing 5 half steps up (an interval of a 4th) will make everything sound rather Oriental.
ladymuse - Posted - 11/24/2007: 05:05:09
And an interval of a 4th or a 5th, will make you sound delightfully gregorian! (as in old monkish chants!) (very extrememly so!
3rds and 6ths are great intervals - (also, there is simply the bass note (root of the chords) to start from -
so I think you also may find that you will be receiving some midis etc - !!!
Hoping your thanksgiving was good - Jen
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/24/2007: 10:02:36
quote:
Originally posted by John Gent
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
Hi, John, do you know in what key your friend plays Ashokan Farewell?
Key is D. But if you have anything, I can transpose it. Thanks.
- John
Well, I could write you a harmony part real quick, but then you wouldn't know how I did it and you wouldn't be able to do it whenever you wanted to. It is really fun to do once you see how it is done.
The first thing that you need is a chord chart to the song. I wrote out the chords to the song above some sheet music that I found and uploaded that to my pictures so that you can see it. If you click on the little thumbnail once, it'll make it a little bigger, but if you click on the picture that is a little bigger it'll enlarge it to it's original size. So be sure to click on it twice.
The second thing that you need to do is figure out what notes are in each chord. REMEMBER THESE NUMBERS: 1,3,5 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE NUMBERS OF A CHORD (chords and arpeggios are the exact same thing). Here is how you do that:
Your first chord is D, so what you will do is write out the D scale STARTING WITH THE NOTE OF THE CHORD (if it's a G chord then write out the G scale, if it's an Emin chord then write out the E scale (you can make it minor later)) and number them 1 through 7. Then, circle the 1, 3, and 5 notes (I'll underline them):
D=1 E=2 F#=3 G=4 A=5 B=6 C#=7 D=1
So, the D chord is D, F#, A
If the chord is a 7th (i.e. D7) you will have to do the regular chord and add the 7th which in D is the C# note -BUT- always bring the 7th down 1/2 step if the chord does not say MAJOR 7th. The D7 chord, then, would be D, F#, A, C natural.
If you have a minor chord, bring the 3rd down 1/2 step. Dm would be D, F natural, A.
If you do that to all of the chords in the song you'll come up with this:
D = D, F#, A
D7 = D, F#, A, C natural
G = G, B, D
Em = E, G natural, B
Bm = B, D natural, F#
A7 = A, C#, E, G natural
The third thing that you need to do is write the harmony part using the notes in the chord that is written above that measure. If it is a D chord and the melody is playing an A then you have a choice between the D and the F# for your note. A rule of thumb is to stay as close to the melody note as possible because it makes the twin fiddle part sound better.
I'm going to write out an easy A part for you so that you can see how it works. I'll upload it to my pictures too.
I hope this makes at least a little sense. 
Licha
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 11/24/2007 10:37:21
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/24/2007: 12:06:25
If that makes sense, John, I'll show you something you can do with it that is really neat.
Alice
John Gent - Posted - 11/24/2007: 18:58:17
This forum is amazing. Thanks to all, especially to you, Licha. It does make sense and I'll run with what you've done for now. That's mighty neighborly of you.
Cheers. John.
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/24/2007: 19:27:20
Hey, John, I didn't realize that you'd been playing for less than a year before I wrote that last post. You aren't playing any double stops yet are you?
Glad to be a help... I hope you'll record the harmony part that you come up with so we can hear it. 
Alice
John Gent - Posted - 11/24/2007: 21:02:38
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
... You aren't playing any double stops yet are you?
... I hope you'll record the harmony part ...
Double stops? You mean where you stop twice at a light because you ran the last one?
Oh wait, you mean the fiddle thing! I'm messing around with it, but not really. My buddy Marcus will hopefully help me out with stuff like that.
I've posted my finished rendition of your start of your rendition that you posted (now there's a circular sentence!).
And yes, I hope to record this soon and hopefully some others.
Cheers.
- John
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/24/2007: 22:38:23
It looks really good. Now, was that fun or what? 
There are no problems with the notes that I can see though the timing certainly isn't written in and I believe your version is a little different than the one that I uploaded because without the timing I got lost on a couple measures on your second part. That's great, though, and I'm looking forward to hearing it played twin!
Alice
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 11/24/2007 22:39:33
CageyK - Posted - 11/25/2007: 22:34:06
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
If that makes sense, John, I'll show you something you can do with it that is really neat.
Alice
Hey Licha / Alice,
Your description of writing harmony was SUPER!!! I've been looking for YEARS for something that clear and helpful. I'll definitely be trying it. THANKS!!!
Please post your "really neat" extra. I'd love to learn what it is.
CageyK
Edited by - CageyK on 11/25/2007 22:35:16
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/26/2007: 12:39:19
quote:
Originally posted by CageyK
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
If that makes sense, John, I'll show you something you can do with it that is really neat.
Alice
Hey Licha / Alice,
Your description of writing harmony was SUPER!!! I've been looking for YEARS for something that clear and helpful. I'll definitely be trying it. THANKS!!!
Please post your "really neat" extra. I'd love to learn what it is.
CageyK
Well, Cagey, do you know how to write out music or have a computer program that you can use to write it out?
Licha
CageyK - Posted - 11/26/2007: 14:18:13
Hello Licha,
Yes I do
CageyK
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 11/26/2007: 14:26:46
Good, then let's make a deal. You write out a harmony part to a simple song and post it and then I'll show you the "extra, really neat stuff." 
Alice
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 11/26/2007 14:27:55
CageyK - Posted - 11/26/2007: 14:47:26
Will do, Licha. It will probably be this weeked before I get to it. I'll let you know when it's done.
CageyK
Monkey - Posted - 12/06/2007: 19:53:04
I took the liberty of finishing the remainder of the 2nd part. I hope you don't mind Licha... (see http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php)
X: 1
T: Ashokan Farewell (2nd voice over the melody)
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
Q: 60
R: waltz
C: Jay Ungar
K: Dmaj
% note, the leading period in the chord symbols keeps them from sounding in the midi playback
z [d4][f] | ".D" [f3] [f][d][A]| ".D7" [A4] [A][=c] |
".G" [B3] [B][G][D]| ".Em" [BE2][G3][E] |
".D" [D2] [F2] [A2] | ".Bm" [d2][f2][b2]|
".G" [a3][b][a2]| ".A7" [g4] [e] [g] |
".D" [f3] [f][d][A]| ".D7" [A4] [A][=c] |
".G" [B3] [B][G][D]| ".Em" [E2][G3][E] |
".D" [D2] [F2] [A2] | ".Bm" [d2][f2][b2]| ".A7" [c2][e2][g2]|
".D" [f4] [A] [B] | ".D" [d3] [A] [F2] | ".D7" [f3] [d] [c] |
".G" [d3] [e] [g] | ".D" [d] [A3] [G] | ".Bm" [B3] [A] [F2] |
".G" [D4] [D2] | ".A7" [C2] [E2] [G] [c] | ".A7" [c4] [A] [G] |
".D" [F2] [A2] [c2] | ".C" [e4] [G] [g] | ".G" [e3] [e] [g2]| ".D" [d] [A3] [F] | ".D" [D2] [F2] [A2] | ".Bm" [d2] [f2] B2] |
".A7" [G3] [G] [A2] | ".D" [A6] ||
CageyK - Posted - 12/08/2007: 21:41:01
Hi Monkey,
I didn't understand your post, and the link wouldn't work for me.
Can you offer some additional explanation or point me to something that might help me understand?
Thanks in advacne.
CageyK
OTJunky - Posted - 12/08/2007: 22:34:26
Here's the status of www.folkinfo.org
quote:
From http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?th...9&messages=6
Subject: folkinfo down
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 06:18 PM
I guessthose that vistit who don't come to the Annexe read here...
Pipex have suspended our account, leaving us without broadband access. As a result, folkinfo is down. I am not sure as yet whether I will be using dial up to upload a few Mb of data to provide at least basic services or whether to wait until broadband is restored. The Annexe is unnafected by this down time.
I'll try to explain how we have ended up being suspended. Earlier this year, we recieved a new bank card with a new expiry date. We tried to enter this new information into our Pipex account but the changes did not go through. We contacted Pipex by telephone and were assured the matter was resolved.
We believed everything was in order until earlier this month we recieved an email (opening despite our previous communication... though there waa none except our phone call mentioned above and about a discussion about direct debit payment - a subject that has never been raised) informing us we needed to contact them or we would be cut off in 10 days.
We investigated the previous problem and found that despite our previous conversation, the new expiry date did not show on our Pipex account. We contacted Pipex who put the new details in and they again assured us everything was in order.
This time we did check the account details a couple of days later and found the changes had taken. We believed everything in order until we had a phone call from Pipex earlier this week. This time they said the card details were wrong. We confirmed the card details and Pipex tried to take the payment manually. We were told the payment was not authorised by the bank.
At this point, we contacted our bank to ask what the problem was (it certainly wasn't lack of money in the account). They informed us that the reason for the Pipex manual attempts failing were that they were entering an issue number of zero.
We then got back to Pipex and a different person attempted to make the payment manually and we were told yet again that everything was in order...
This evening I have found we have been cut off. We have since checked the bank accont and found that the manual payment we were told had been made, had not. I realise now we should have checked the bank after the phone call but we didn't.
At the moment, I feel as if we are in some sort of twilight zone thing in our dealings with Pipex. It seems incredible...
In the meanwhile I can only apologise for the down time. We do try our best but no planning can really cater for making ones best efforts to ensure payments are made, being assured by the company that everything is fine to find out later it's not... or for that matter, as also happened with another co we used (web hosting this time) that the company does an overnight flit but when things go wrong, that seems to be the sort of way it goes for us.
Jon
So, at the moment, they're "off the air".
--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"
Monkey - Posted - 12/10/2007: 11:05:28
They appear to be back up... The notation is called ABC. It allows you to notate music in plain text file. The site I mentioned has an online program that will take the ABC input and convert it to a PDF of standard musical notation. You paste in the ABC content, and it will spit back the staves and notes, as well as a midi file.
This site has a similar program: http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html
More basic info on ABC notation here:
http://www.walshaw.plus.com/abc/
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/10/2007: 12:06:23
Of course I don't mind! Good job, Monkey, that is really pretty.
In measure 15 where you have a Bm, I probably wouldn't put the high B there but would change it to a 3rd finger A which would make it a Bm7. I think it would sound prettier that way.
6 measures from the end you have a G chord and you wrote out two E's. That would make it a G6. I think it might sound better if you played 3rd finger D, and then E, G.
2 measures before that, you have a D chord and you wrote a C#. I would change that C# to a Cnatural which would make it a D7. I think that you were probably playing Cnatural and just forgot to write it in.
The only other thing is that I would change the last note to an F# or you could play F# over A. Remember that in twin fiddle it usually sounds better to keep the harmony note as close to the melody as possible.
I liked the double stop that you put in the first part.
GOOD JOB!
Licha
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/10/2007: 12:10:19
quote:
Originally posted by CageyK
Hi Monkey,
I didn't understand your post, and the link wouldn't work for me.
Can you offer some additional explanation or point me to something that might help me understand?
Thanks in advacne.
CageyK
Hey, CageyK, highlight and copy ALL of the gibberish in Monkey's post and paste it in the link (
http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php ) and click submit. Then watch as a miracle happens!
Alice
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 12/10/2007 12:11:00
Monkey - Posted - 12/10/2007: 19:28:32
>Of course I don't mind!
Great, I was hoping to have a little collaboration/discussion...
> In measure 15 where you have a Bm, I probably wouldn't put the high B there but would change it to a 3rd finger A which would make it a Bm7.
>I think it would sound prettier that way.
Sure. That sounds good and keeps the thirds all the way. I guess I like the open sound of the 4th at the top of the run as well, but I'm not able to hear it on real violins at the moment :-(
>6 measures from the end you have a G chord and you wrote out two E's. That would make it a G6. I think it might sound better if you played 3rd finger D, and then E, G.
Hmmm. It kind of looks like a typo when I see it now. Not sure what I was thinking there - maybe avoiding a redundant D from the other voice. Your correction definitely sounds better.
>2 measures before that, you have a D chord and you wrote a C#. I would change that C# to a Cnatural which would make it a D7. I think that you were probably playing Cnatural and just forgot to write it in.
I tried it with the C natural and didn't like it as much. The Dmaj7 gives a bit more "movement". I guess I could also argue that the C# anticipates the dominant chord and the next C maj. chord functions as a dominant chord.
> would change the last note to an F# or you could play F# over A. Remember that in twin fiddle it usually sounds better to keep the harmony note as close to the melody as possible.
I was going for a more "final" sounding ending. I could have had one voice play a double stop and finish with a full triad, but I'm partial to the sound of a perfect 5th, I'd probably go with open strings here too.
>I liked the double stop that you put in the first part.
Not sure if that was mine or yours... I did start with yours, and just continued on with the rest of it - hybrid authors ;-). The C natural in the first D7 was yours - that is great. I like arrangements where each is voice is moving in a different direction. Coupled with a resolving tritone - excellent.
I'll have to dig up something that isn't copyrighted. Here's a "compromise" version:
X: 1
T: Ashokan Farewell (2nd voice over the melody)
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
Q: 60
R: waltz
C: Jay Ungar
K: Dmaj
z [d4][f] | ".D" [f3] [f][d][A] | ".D7" [A4] [A][=c] |
".G" [B3] [B][G][D] | ".Em" [E2][G3][E] |
".D" [D2] [F2] [A2] | ".Bm" [d2][f2][b2] |
".G" [a3][b][a2] | ".A7" [g4] [e] [g] ||
% repeat
".D" [f3] [f][d][A]| ".D7" [A4] [A][=c] | ".G" [B3] [B][G][D] |
".Em" [E2][G3][E] | ".D" [D2] [F2] [A2] | ".Bm" [d2][f2][a2] |
".A7" [c2][e2][g2]| ".D" [f4] [A] [B] | ".D" [d3] [A] [F2] |
".D7" [f3] [d] [c] | ".G" [d3] [e] [g] | ".D" [d] [A3] [G] |
".Bm" [B3] [A] [F2] | ".G" [D4] [D2] | ".A7" [C2] [E2] [G] [c] |
".A7" [c4] [A] [G] | ".D" [F2] [A2] [c2] | ".C" [e4] [G] [g] |
".G" [d3] [e] [g2]| ".D" [d] [A3] [F] | ".D" [AD2] [F2] [A2] |
".Bm" [d2] [f2] [B2] | ".A7" [G3] [G] [A2] | ".D" [A6] ||
Edited by - Monkey on 12/10/2007 19:30:04
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/10/2007: 20:10:42
Monkey, I thought about the Dmaj7 but didn't know you even knew about them. (I just went and looked at some of your old posts and maybe you should be teaching me! ) The Dmaj7 would be good, but if I were to use it without a chord instrument (piano, guitar, mandolin, ect.) in the background, I would do double stops there to make it more full and to reinforce the intention.
About the ending-- I tend to like a twin or triple part to sound like one violin. There's nothing wrong with D and A there, of course.
I think the song would sound really nice "full." Do you want to write a double stop part on both 1st and 2nd? I'd be interested in seeing it.
"I'll have to dig up something that isn't copyrighted." What'cha mean?
Licha
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 12/10/2007 20:11:59
Monkey - Posted - 12/12/2007: 12:41:29
Yeah, I know a few chords. I haven't done much arranging, but I played quite a few arrangements over the years. So far I've just picked up a few odds and ends, so it's interesting to discover the processes people use.
It might be a good time to leave that version as is and make an intermediate arrangement that doesn't rely so much on not altering the first violin part. Without being able to post the melody legally, it gets difficult. Which is why I started mentioning finding something that isn't copyrighted to toy with instead. (Should've proofed my post before sending - I left out half of what I was trying to say...)
>I tend to like a twin or triple part to sound like one violin.
Ok - as in one person playing double stops and drones. A minimalist approach; there's nothing wrong with that. I guess I haven't done enough to have a preference yet.
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/12/2007: 13:22:04
quote:
Originally posted by Monkey
>I tend to like a twin or triple part to sound like one violin.
Ok - as in one person playing double stops and drones. A minimalist approach; there's nothing wrong with that. I guess I haven't done enough to have a preference yet.
No, not exactly. Something more like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbWOD8EBCes Alice
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 12/12/2007 14:09:56
Monkey - Posted - 12/12/2007: 15:03:33
Hmm-mm-mm...
+Same rhythm and bowing on each part
+Harmonies stacked closely
Reminds me of the The Andrews Sisters.
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/12/2007: 15:09:57
quote:
Originally posted by Monkey
Hmm-mm-mm...
+Same rhythm and bowing on each part
+Harmonies stacked closely
Reminds me of the The Andrews Sisters.
THERE you go. :)
Never heard The Andrew Sisters?
Alice
Sky - Posted - 12/12/2007: 16:26:40
I think you may be surprised how many young people wouldn't have a clue when you mention
The Andrew Sisters, Glen Miller lost in the channel, news reels, etc,,,,, oh yeah,,, black and white tv
with maybe four channels complete with test pattern ,,, hehehehe.
Someday they'll be telling the young people about five inch floppies and those young people will be
shaking their heads.
Hopefully they will still all be playing this great music and
working on harmonies like these young people do now.
Sky
Time is speeding up,, and I'm slowing down
Houston, we have a problem
OTJunky - Posted - 12/12/2007: 16:39:04
My kids - the oldest is almost 20 - have never seen or heard of a five inch floppy.
In fact, I can only dimly recall'em - maybe from some grainy black and white newsreels...
--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"
Edited by - OTJunky on 12/12/2007 16:40:02
Monkey - Posted - 12/12/2007: 17:12:23
Those things made for some great frisbee fights in the office, though. Compact Discs (what we used to call "CDs") just hurt too much when you get hit in the head.
Fiddler - Posted - 12/13/2007: 16:50:10
5 inch floppies? I remember the 8 in hard-sectored floppies!! 64K memory ... 8080 chip ... Oh, and what about those fun punch cards all stacked neatly in their little box?? ... and slide rules ..... Ahhh, those were the days ... and we LIKED it that way!
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Monkey - Posted - 12/13/2007: 19:43:06
Back on topic... How about this tune, then? I've added some chord substitutions to make the harmonies a bit more interesting...
X: 2
T:Aura Lee
M:4/4
L:1/4
K:C
C: W. W. Fosdick
Z: Monkey
"C" [G] [c] "Cdim" [B] [c] | "D7" [d] [A] [d2] | "Dm7" [c] [B] "G7" [A] [B] | "C" [c2-] "G7" [c2] |
"C" [G] [c] "Cdim" [B] [c] | "D7" [d] [A] [d2] | "Dm7" [c] [B] "G7" [A] [B] | "C" [c4] |
"C" u[e] u[e] "C7" [e2] | "E7" u[e] u[e] [e2] | "F" [e] "F/E" [d] "Dm7" [c] "Dm7/C" [d] | "E7" [e4] |
"C7" [e] [e] "A7" [f] [e] | "D7" [d] [A] "Am7" [d3/2] [c/2] | "Dm7" [c] [B] "G7" [e3/ 2] [d/2] | "C" [c4] ||
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/13/2007: 19:49:33
That's a good one, Monkey.
CageyK, do you want to try your hand at that one?
Alice
Sky - Posted - 12/18/2007: 06:56:57
Katie,
What Monkey put up there, is a layout for ABC. What you do is copy the whole area, go to a ABC converter, paste
it in, and you get a real prize. You usually get the sheet music in pdf and a midi file so you can hear it.
Here is a link for converting http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html .
You already may know this, but if you didn't, this will help.
BTW Monkey,,, nice job,,, good pick for some looking for a lot of chord changes.
Sky
Time is speeding up,, and I'm slowing down
Houston, we have a problem
magnuscanis - Posted - 12/18/2007: 12:00:50
Of course, one of the advantages of ABC notation is that it is quite human-readable even without any processing. I used to be quite familiar with ABC, to the point that I could write out simple tunes quite quickly or play new tunes straight out of ABC.
I don't use it very much these days; I tend to use Lilypond instead, which is a bit more complicated (although still just about human-readable) but allows more scope for customisation and fancy effects. ABC still has the edge for simple folk tunes though; it's especially handy for making a note of new tunes you pick up (e.g. at sessions) if you don't have a recorder to hand.
- Magnus
Monkey - Posted - 12/18/2007: 13:57:24
I use Lillypond as well - once I have something I want to "typeset". I love the lightweight tools. I'm darn good with a text editor, so the big GUI interfaces tend to be more of a burden. They're so full of cryptic icons and mouse laden procedures they just slow me down.
Monkey - Posted - 12/18/2007: 14:07:13
>well i play by numbers such as: ...
>This is kinda confusing!
fiddlingurl, I'm not sure what you're point is.
magnuscanis - Posted - 12/18/2007: 17:03:33
quote:
Originally posted by Monkey
I use Lillypond as well - once I have something I want to "typeset". I love the lightweight tools. I'm darn good with a text editor, so the big GUI interfaces tend to be more of a burden. They're so full of cryptic icons and mouse laden procedures they just slow me down.
Ah, a kindred spirit!
One of the things I love about both ABC and Lilypond is that I can do pretty much everything in my favourite text editor (which for me is Vim, but I don't want to start any holy wars
). Especially with Lilypond there's a bit more of a learning curve initially than with GUI based programs, but I find that once you begin to get the hang of it it's much faster (and a fair bit more powerful) than any GUI.
I should probably go back to using ABC from time to time in order to keep my hand in. There are some things it does much better than Lilypond, just like there are some things which Lilypond does better.
- Magnus
OTJunky - Posted - 12/18/2007: 17:38:19
quote:
One of the things I love about both ABC and Lilypond is that I can do pretty much everything in my favourite text editor (which for me is Vim, but I don't want to start any holy wars ).
Too late... I'm an Emacs user and you've thrown down the gauntlet...
Boy - would that debate take this thread off topic...
Guess, we'd better skip it.
--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"
AZfiddler_1996 - Posted - 12/18/2007: 20:34:31
Well, it looks like CageyK isn't around right now, so who's going to take the first whack at writing a harmony part to the song?
Alice
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"Only those who have the patience to do the simple things perfectly ever aquire the skill to do the difficult things easily."
Edited by - AZfiddler_1996 on 12/18/2007 20:37:40
John Gent - Posted - 12/21/2007: 00:29:31
quote:
Originally posted by AZfiddler_1996
Well, it looks like CageyK isn't around right now, so who's going to take the first whack at writing a harmony part to the song?
So Licha laid the challenge on me from the 'scales and intervals' thread. I think my eyes were bugging toward the end of this, but the first part seems pretty cool - to me. Whatcha tink?
X:2
T:Aura Lee C: W. W. FosdickL:1/8
M:4/4
K:C
c2 E2 G2 E2 | ^F2 D2 F4 | A2 G2 D2 B,2 | C4 G,4 | c2 E2 G2 E2 | ^F2 D2 F4 | A2 G2 D2 B,2 | C8 | c2 G2 c4 | c2 c2 G4 | B2 A2 G2 D2 | d8 | c2 A2 ^c2 e2 | ^f2 a2 f3a |g2d2B | g8 |
- John
Monkey - Posted - 12/21/2007: 19:18:44
I patched yours together with the original and commented out the chords so you can hear what's going on better. Instead of breaking into staves, it's easier to keep them together for editing purposes. Easy enough to split them out later. Your parts are always 2nd in each cluster
%(melody with 2nd part by John Gent)
X: 2
T:Aura Lee
M:4/4
L:1/4
K:C
C: W. W. Fosdick
Z: Monkey
".C" [Gc] [cE] [BG] [cE] | ".D" [d^F2] [Ad] [d2F2] | ".G7" [cA] [BG] [AD] [BB,] | ".C" [c2C2] [c2G,4] |
".C" [Gc] [cE] [BG] [cE] | ".D" [d^F] [AD] [d2F2] | ".G7" [cA] [BG] [AD] [BB,] | ".C" [c4C4] |
".C" [ec] [eG] [e2c2] | ".C" [ec] [ec] [e2G2] | ".C" [eB] [dA] [cG] [dD] | ".C" [e4d4] |
".C" [ec] [eA] [f^c] [ee] | ".F" [d^f] [Aa] [d3/2f3/2] [c/2a/2] | ".G7" [cg] [Bd] [e3/2B3/2] [d/2B/2] | ".C" [c4g4] ||
