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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Is syncopation applied to Bluegrass fiddling?


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Morris - Posted - 10/17/2009:  15:44:36


Hello Folks! Does anybody use syncopating durring excersizes? To the best of my knowledge It seems to important because there is a single page showing the excersize on my Bel Bays Bluegrass book. Are bluegrass style solos made on these exercises?


Edited by - Morris on 10/17/2009 17:04:13

fiddlepogo - Posted - 10/18/2009:  01:09:15


Some bluegrass fiddlers have a more Old Time style, some have a more bluesy style,
some (the best one) can do either of those styles (and maybe a couple of other tricks too)
as the song or tune requires it.
But the bluesy bluegrass licks DO often have syncopation.

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Petimar - Posted - 10/18/2009:  17:13:23


I think one should practice making the 1/8 notes as even as possible (50/50), then the first as long as possible (say 90/10), and everything in between at as many different tempos as possible. This will give the player the ability to add any amount of syncopation, or swing, as they feel fits that piece.

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Morris - Posted - 10/20/2009:  12:47:52


Thank you for the comments. I can see now how blues style playing is syncopated by listening to a few songs in my head.

Micharl &Pete, Thank you for your suggestions.

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OTJunky - Posted - 10/20/2009:  18:09:15


The "Georgia Bow" involves syncopation, is often used in Bluegrass - in fact "Uncle Pen" is largely based on it.

FWIW, I think the use of syncopation in Bluegrass fiddling derives more from the influence of Scruggs style banjo playing than from blues playing.

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Jeff Angeley - Posted - 11/11/2009:  19:26:15


Bluegrass is syncopated all over the place. In the strictest sense of what syncopation is (stress on the 'off' beats) the very pulse of bluegrass is syncopated. If you count it in 4/4 the stress (mando chop) is on 2 and 4 rather than the traditional western strong beats of 1 and 3 and if you count it in 2/4 that same chop ends up being counted on the up or "and" beat.

Double shuffles, Georgia Bowing, swing influences, and just about any danceable rhythm you can think of owe their feel to some kind of syncopation. (Old Time music is also syncopated). How much syncopation you use and how heavily you stress a particular beat or off beat plays a large role in determining what kind of a fiddler you are. Lots of 2 and 4 makes you a hard driving heavy right hand player, lots of "and"s (up beats) played in a not too repetitive pattern will make you sound like a swingy player.

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