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Jul 8, 2024 - 3:29:54 PM
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3416 posts since 10/22/2007

I made these cheat-sheets for myself, but I wonder if anyone else would understand them?

Yes, they look a bit texty, but I stopped short of showing these to my friend who is still a one note thumper. (Nothing wrong with one note thumpers)


Edited by - farmerjones on 07/08/2024 15:35:11

Jul 8, 2024 - 4:04:13 PM

6526 posts since 9/26/2008

I do. I get what you're doing, but might be simpler to explain how the 1-5 (notes for standard BG or fiddle bass) are either next to each other on the same fret (low 5) or a whole step up on the higher string (high 5) first. Maybe you've already done that. THEN you could simplify the chart to just show root notes for the 1 4 5 in various keys. Maybe color coded (I find it easier to quickly distinguish differences that way).
I've always found those full scale "road map" fingerboards to be too much info, just a lot to absorb.

Jul 8, 2024 - 4:21:16 PM

DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

I play bass too, and I think I get what your trying to show. Needs some introductory information, and I also think the charts aren't very clear.
I don't think I've ever used a fretboard chart. I know where the notes are, and if I'm not playing by ear I'm usually reading standard music.

Jul 8, 2024 - 5:22:12 PM

3416 posts since 10/22/2007

Yep, I don't know how much good they are, as I started holding down the strings two frets towards the nut, so I can play a little figure with a hammer-on.

Does everyone hold down(fret) two strings at once with your index finger?

Jul 8, 2024 - 6:50:22 PM

DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

I know you can do that, but I don't usually, because I'm mostly thinking of lines, not doublestops.

Jul 8, 2024 - 7:30:57 PM
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3416 posts since 10/22/2007

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Originally posted by DougD

I know you can do that, but I don't usually, because I'm mostly thinking of lines, not doublestops.


I'm not playing two notes at once. As luck would have it, I have an example:

https://youtu.be/cVyRVlcsCsw?si=skRZ_SxcP5AmYHtq

I seriously appreciate your feedback!

Jul 8, 2024 - 8:53:34 PM
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6526 posts since 9/26/2008

I also do not hold both notes down at once. Mostly because there's movement of the bass notes that I akin to physically moving (especially with an upright bass). Not holding them down also free me up to move away from those two notes, transition to the next chord.

Jul 8, 2024 - 8:54:51 PM
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6526 posts since 9/26/2008

In other words, I move my finger from one string to the other as needed

Jul 9, 2024 - 6:49:29 AM
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287 posts since 11/26/2013

E bass was my first real instrument some 57 yrs ago. taught me so much about chord structure and how scales fit into the framework. BG and old time bass are pretty straightforward. You are the truckdriver in a band situation! Crisp, steady and not over ornamented - thats what I like. And when I still play E-bass, its one finger, one note.

Jul 9, 2024 - 7:38:48 AM

15019 posts since 9/23/2009

I shouldn't chime in because I don't know a doggone thing about bass...lol. But, of course, being a groundhog at heart, I gotta just grumble out my opinions. I don't have a bass, but I have borrowed one for short periods of time here and there...so, no experience, but I guess from being more of a guitar player, I naturally did hold down more than one note at a time. I found it harder to play it by just doing one note for some reason. Even if I didn't add anything besides just thumping out the root notes of the chords...and I also did like to slide up and back down...lol...maybe that's too much. I never had an upright so no idea whatsoever what that's like. If it's anymore complicated than cello was for me...I'm out...lol.

These days I have to resort to other things to get bass tracks on my recordings. Sometimes I use a yamaha keyboard somebody gave to my daughter, who didn't want it...lol...so it's mine. I can put the thing on "mute guitar" setting and then the only thing that sounds ok is to just thump out root notes of the chords on the low keys...it sorta sounds like a pretty lame bass part...lol. I've also figured out that I can play bass lines on my regular guitar and then change the pitch on the presonus to an octave lower, to get more of a bass line...there are problems with that...the finger squeak is not good, hard to not get finger squeaks when recording on a guitar...I think you don't get that with the bass guitar because I guess of string thickness. Anyway, the fingers squeaks can sound bad so I have to be very careful and really just try to put few notes in to avoid that.

This is veering off, which I'm guilty of in every post. But I'm just saying I think some good bass players I have known way back in my past did use more than one finger, if that's what the discussion is. And their bass parts often did some traveling too.

Jul 9, 2024 - 8:46:13 AM

Erockin

USA

970 posts since 9/3/2022

Looks great! That's how I see notes and patterns by learning this way. I have a similar chart for Mando/Violin as well as guitar.

I play Electric Bass as well as Upright. Same principle though, just the spacing/distance changes. I use all 4 fingers on my left hand and index and middle on the right hand. Out of all the instruments, Bass is my favorite or, should I say I'm the most accomplished on bass therefore it can be more fun at times.

I'm actually helping out a younger player that's starting out and already in his first band. After our first session, learning the 12 bar walking blues, I said don't come back until you've stopped using your right thumb...lol. Since then he's really dedicated to using the 2 finger method.

Jul 9, 2024 - 11:29:32 AM
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6584 posts since 8/7/2009

I had an electric bass back in the 70's (60's Fender Precision).  Traded it for a used 60's Fender Twin Reverb amp to replace a Gibson Hawk. 

I just put my upright up for sale - '58 Kay, 3/4 size - at Mountain View Music on consignment.

My wife has a small uke bass. MAN, they are fun to play!  But got to have an amp - or you'll never really hear it. I watched the bassist for Bonnie Raitt play one on stage - fun to watch.  It's strange to see someone playing one - how small they are and the huge sound they produce. It's almost a novelty. But - close your eyes - that is the sound of a real bass.

I have played bass - but never for very long. The upright was a lot of fun, but it wore me out (left forearm). That ends up being a lot of work after a while.

Looks like a lot of effort went into making the charts. They look nice and clean, but I'm not sure how much a chart like that would help. When I do play - I usually wing it pretty much on what I know from guitar.  

Jul 9, 2024 - 12:44:53 PM

DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

farmerjones - Didn't express myself well. I didn't mean you would play the two notes at once, just that you're fingering the doublestop with that one finger. That's not very useful for me because I don't usually play just 1-5, 1-5, etc. But there are times it might be helpful. I don't think I've touched a bass in over 10 years, so I'm a little hazy. My problem paying electric bass is that I also play upright some, and they're really different. Also, as a guitar player first, sometimes its easy to forget its not just a big guitar, even though the strings are the same notes.
My first electric bass gig was about 1971, as a member of the "summer replacement" version of the band Country Cooking. The other members were Pete Wernick, Tony Trischka, and Russ Barenberg. If I'd played like Futureman or something it would have been a good time for it, but it didn't really matter since I think we only played two gigs in nursing homes.
I have an old Fender short scale Musicmaster bass - I like the short scale.

Jul 9, 2024 - 1:40:02 PM
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DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

Sorry, wrong Wooten brother. I meant Victor, the bassist. Been quite a while since that bunch was around.

Jul 9, 2024 - 1:50:09 PM
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2517 posts since 12/11/2008

I gotta say that I've never been particularly interested in playing bass. I wanna sing. I crave melody.

Jul 9, 2024 - 6:36:12 PM

3416 posts since 10/22/2007

There's nothing that pulls a jam together like a capable bassist. It sounds so sweet. So much like it should.
This tares me apart. Yes, indeed it's fun to play bass. To be the "trailer hitch." But as crap as I play, they want the fiddle.

Doug, you were in Hot Rize, before there was Hot Rize?!?!
I'll be driving through Nederland tomorrow.

Jul 9, 2024 - 6:55:26 PM

DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

Steve - No, not really. Pete lived in Ithaca and had a band called "Country Cooking," which had several iterations. Their bass player, also a really good fingerstyle guitarist, went home for the summer, and somehow I inherited his role and equipment for these couple gigs. Tony lived in Syracuse at the time I think. Pete later moved out to Colorado, which is where Hot Rize formed. I still see those guys once in a great while.

Jul 9, 2024 - 7:27:30 PM
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DougD

USA

11992 posts since 12/2/2007

Steve - Here's a track from the "real" Country Cooking of that era: youtu.be/Aaa4FP1imT0?feature=shared

Edited by - DougD on 07/09/2024 19:28:22

Jul 10, 2024 - 5:04:03 AM
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287 posts since 11/26/2013

All this bass talk reminds me - I took a whack at stand-up this past Sunday at a BG jam. I haven't seriously played one in decades. I lasted a WHOLE song!! What a *****! Elec bass is one thing, man I forgot what a meat grinder stand up is.

Jul 10, 2024 - 1:33:25 PM

6526 posts since 9/26/2008

I LOVE playing the stand up bass, it is like you have a dance partner right there giving you reason to move some. However, it must be set up properly or playing becomes too much of a workout. I owned one briefly, fiberglass painted brown, it was not set up well (maybe had an issue that made it hard to get a good set up) and thus I don't have it any longer.

Jul 11, 2024 - 10:10:34 AM

3416 posts since 10/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

I LOVE playing the stand up bass, it is like you have a dance partner right there giving you reason to move some. However, it must be set up properly or playing becomes too much of a workout. I owned one briefly, fiberglass painted brown, it was not set up well (maybe had an issue that made it hard to get a good set up) and thus I don't have it any longer.


How much I know about a standup/doghouse bass = 0.

Okay, is the fattest string still an E? Or is it like a violin? 

Jul 11, 2024 - 10:16:40 AM
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95 posts since 6/12/2015

EADG low to high, same as an electric.

Low tension strings (nylon or gut if you're fancy) can let you play for much longer.

Jul 11, 2024 - 10:18:09 AM
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95 posts since 6/12/2015

quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

I gotta say that I've never been particularly interested in playing bass. I wanna sing. I crave melody.


A lot of old-time bluegrass bassists probably aren't that interested in playing bass, but they do it as a public service.

Jul 11, 2024 - 10:56:57 AM

3416 posts since 10/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by screecher
quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

I gotta say that I've never been particularly interested in playing bass. I wanna sing. I crave melody.


A lot of old-time bluegrass bassists probably aren't that interested in playing bass, but they do it as a public service.


 Because I play basic stuff (not figures) I can sing and play pretty easily. 

Jul 11, 2024 - 11:03:01 AM

Erockin

USA

970 posts since 9/3/2022

Here's where bluegrass on microphones "AND" electric bass are done right! IMO

Jul 11, 2024 - 2:06 PM
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3416 posts since 10/22/2007

Indeed, Nick Foster was a Bluegrass rebel, with that electric bass.

I've also heard Kala Ubass' with the rubber strings. They sound very good. I simply couldn't afford one.

I'm learning stuff from YT, but it's a slog. So many enthusiastic instructors that seem to think you can either read their minds or you can see things that one actually cannot.  Like a violin neck. Even if you watching a left hand, the motions are extremely subtle. 

Edited by - farmerjones on 07/11/2024 14:07:35

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