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May 23, 2024 - 4:32:36 AM
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14974 posts since 9/23/2009

Finally bit the bullet and got a big ol' fancy MacBook Pro to try to help me with my music projects, since I have little equipment and little time and seem to have trouble just walking away from messin' with music. Anyway, FHO and I had big disagreements all evening as to what my password was...lol. It won. Now it gave me a big jumbled up nonsense password that I'll never remember, but it works...have to try to save that and make it legible enough in case something happens or if FHO thinks I'm up to something if I use an older device to try to log on. Ugh...I'm trying to make peace with the idea that I'm stuck in the high tech world and gotta learn, but so far...all I can give myself is E for effort...lol. Also had a rough time just trying to get to know this big nice computer. I guess I'll get there...I mean...I can't be THAT stupid...lol...but maybe I am.

But anyhow, the other day I had this idea to put a lot of backup tracks mp3s I'd made on the presonus over the years for personal jamming...maybe put them on YouTube or just on "something," so that I could hear them and jam along when the opportunities to play come along. I had done that one time and recorded it...this is the idea...I think I was playing with a YouTube but just playing along for fun...if I remember, I recorded it for a guy on BG Daddy forum, no longer in existence now, but it was a hoppin' forum back then and he was a really great guitarist...we'd discussed this tune a few times...that guy and I, and I finally played it and recorded it to show him, because I was messin' with some idea even back then of making some jam tracks I like...personalized and some fun for my own isolated musical experience of this day and age.

youtu.be/JWMSLNzmli0?si=eHVv_DMWyUjpSQl_. If I can copy paste correctly on this big ol' fancy thing...there's the link...the idea. Make your own jamming tracks and have your own jam...drink up all the coffee and eat up all the cookies...doo-dah, doo-dah. Maybe a workable idea. I've got hundreds of backup tracks I'd made on and off over the years, with various keys and instruments, scattered across thumb drives...which I can't use on this, but I could email them from the Chromebook and figure out how to sort them and where to put them...etc. Thinking YouTube seems the easiest storage and organizing, but ... well...maybe that's not the best way to go about it.

Anyway, if I never return to FHO...I might mess up the password again and they might kick me off for stupidity...is it artificial intelligence or actual stupidity...? I don't know, but I'm trying.

May 23, 2024 - 5:24:18 AM
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Erockin

USA

928 posts since 9/3/2022

Passwords are the worst!! Did you ever think we'd have so many?? lol...Glad you're back and congrats on the MAC. I'm doing a live music video documentary tonight and I can't imagine not using my MAC for these projects.

May 23, 2024 - 5:30:44 AM
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DougD

USA

11931 posts since 12/2/2007

Peggy, if you can't use thumb drives, does your Presonus work with the Mac? They both use USB ports, don't they?

Edited by - DougD on 05/23/2024 05:31:39

May 23, 2024 - 6:51:35 AM
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14974 posts since 9/23/2009

Doug, you can use some sort of do floppy...well nothing to do with floppy disc so just some thing a ma jig...to hook up, but there is a new little personus device that goes into MacBook...very small and you can either use the studio one or this thing called Logic Pro that comes with the MacBook Pro...I was messin' with it last night, but being the world's biggest idiot, I didn't get far...of course I didn't have anything hooked up to it, but just using the midi instruments included to play around with. I'm not sure if recording is what I"m gonna do much of...I'd like to have the stuff to do it with in case, but these days it's really hard to get the chance to do that. but I hope to take the dozens and dozens...or more mp3s I've made during recent years and get them onto something so that somehow, someway, I can pretend I'm jamming...before I totally lose my mind. Next idiotic move...sell the instruments and just check myself into the looney bin. to prevent that...maybe I can find a way to create a high tech imaginary jamming pal...I can name him "Wilson," hahahah...I'm not much on movies but I do remember that...but anyhow...I'm just thinking...record if and when I can...jam with some tracks I actually like playing along with, in keys I like, etc. Just a bunch craziness ... I'm losing my mind...lol.

May 23, 2024 - 7:19:21 AM

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And If you don't want them out there for the world, you can post your backup track videos as private. Good luck getting the iPad to do your bidding. You can also, change your password, you don't have to keep or continue to use the suggest one.

May 23, 2024 - 7:39:57 AM
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DougD

USA

11931 posts since 12/2/2007

Billy, I think she said she has a MacBook Pro, not an iPad.
Peggy, I don't know much about Apple products, and don't plan to change that. But I think your MacBook has Tunderbolt ports, which are a newer version of USB-C. For about 10 bucks you can buy an adapter cable that will allow you to plug in any older USB device, like a flash drive, and plug it into your computer. Also, several companies make flash drives with both old USB, and USB-C connectors. I have a 128GB Sandisk that I use to transfer files to my newer tablet and phone. Best Buy has that one for $20 right now, and they come up to 1TB. You could copy all your tracks to one and have them all in one place.

May 23, 2024 - 8:18:41 AM
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1199 posts since 7/30/2021

Congrats on your new laptop, Peggy!!

OK so if you don't want to type in your password every time, you can just say Yes when your web browser (are you using Chrome?) asks you if you want it to remember the login info for you. Then, whenever you go to log in, the browser will autofill the username/password for you. ( I do this for places like FHO, but not for my bank account and important stuff. )

Hate the weird random string of stuff you have to type? If you click on the Gear by your profile pic, and click Edit Profile, and look under Account LogIn (left column), you can change your password there...

* Sorry. I went into "tech support" mode briefly...do a lot of this for work...
Going back to "normal human being" mode now  :-) *



 

May 23, 2024 - 2:19:10 PM
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3641 posts since 9/13/2009

You should be able to go to your browser settings on your old device, and find and show all of your stored passwords.

Not sure I understand exactly what trying to do, but might be easier, and not require buy any adapters or drives; is you can access, share or transfer files, or folders of files, from old computer... over your personal home network; network cable or wifi. Including all of the previous Presonus Studio One projects; and/or just audio files can import into Studio One or Logic. (as well as photos,videos, other documents). It's usually not that complicated, a few different ways can do that, but are just a few settings... control what folders to share, who has access on network and such... google/search on how to share files/folders over local network.

May 23, 2024 - 2:57:24 PM

14974 posts since 9/23/2009

I have a book of passwords and changes/dates, etc. But something went haywire when I attempted to put my password into FHO. I really hate passwords. Anyway...I'm teetering with one foot Amish and the other high tech...lol...on the one hand, I feel like getting a donkey for transportation and just using paper money for buying and being as close to subsistence farming as possible, and on the other hand, getting the best performing high tech stuff I can, sort of giving in to the idea that as much as I don't like it, the old world, the Mayberry world, has left us and I can sit here on the fence or just jump in with both feet. Anyway, gonna order one of those, grandson calls it a bongle...sp?, so they really aren't expensive, and it would be the easiest way for me to get my mp3s right here on this big ol' hairy computer. Also, I can hook up the personus box that way and either try out the Logic Pro or use studio one. So...not sure if I wanna go to playing along with mp3s...I mean, the one I linked above I'd done 5 years back, meaning I've been toying around with that idea for at least 5 years...but maybe I should just stick with making multi track recordings...why...I don't know...just some way I connect with the outside world...lol...my life is probably more isolated than your common imprisoned felon, I guess. So...gonna try to learn this stuff...get off the fence...either go full Amish or full 21st century techie.

May 23, 2024 - 3:37:17 PM

3641 posts since 9/13/2009

I'm not real familiar with current Studio One... but should be able to just open old projects.

But as mentioned other DAW, Logic Pro, the MacBook Pro possibly also comes with GarageBand? GB is just a lite version of Logic Pro; similar and can share projects and plug-ins between; some folks find GB a little easier, less intimidating. That said Logic has a lot more features, including video sync; plug-ins, MIDI VSTi instruments; built in drum machine... and then editing and mixing tools. (But you can record in GB and then open in Logic for editing)

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As far as your project, from what I can interpret; I had perhaps similar idea been working on, point out something that Logic is good at, many do these days (as my son points out) might find very useful for jamming backing track project... is constructing sample and loop type files; rhythm guitar, bass, piano, percussion. It's kind of like making your own Band In Box.  I am not still not great at this, as my son points out... I am old school analog tape, my default goto just hit record and play the whole rhythm part for song/tune as one take, redo over and over til I get it. But the DAW ways can be easier and modular, 3 main ways to use it.

  1. Record just the chord progression of whole tune thru once; then can loop that (or copy/paste how many times want to repeat)
  2. Can just do one part at a time; esp since fiddle tunes are like AABB. Just need A and B if different. Works for parts of songs verse/chorus as well. Of course this same part chord progression can be used in many songs; so if have a library of common ones can cut and paste.
  3. This option is where gets a little more modular, is record a Boom-chuck rhythm (or whatever rhythm) of just one chord... it can be just a single boom chuck, or a bar for alternating bass; or maybe two bars. Make one for G chord. Another for C chord. Then another for D chord. Maybe and Em chord. From there you can just import and paste, make any chord progression, for ANY song with that similar rhythm/tempo (works great for fiddle tunes).

While initially seems like more work, the advantage of this is you only need though a few good recorded files, and can make a BU for tons of tunes. Should note that Logic (and other DAWs) you can have it easily change the pitch of those files, doesn't sound bad if just a step or so up/down. Can also have the file auto adjust to the tempo, again a little isn't bad. Will still want to record in center of range. So good to make separate recording for slow, moderate, fast.

Once have those files, in Logic or GB... there is a tab or menu called "Library", and Samples. It already comes with a lot of rhythm loops; drums, guitars, piano chord progressions that can play with, both sound files and MIDI files. You can just drag these, or your own, into a track, move where you want, loop or copy. The trick is so that start and stop of the sample/loop is trimmed so will be in time; and sound fairly seamless transition. Though for just personal practice tool doesn't have to be that seamless.

Just pointing that feature out, though I still don't much use it... can see the benefit. Esp, for those that don't play guitar, or piano... might be able to use this, if find a suitable existing BU in library, or use what some one else made.

May 23, 2024 - 3:40:44 PM

DougD

USA

11931 posts since 12/2/2007

Peggy, this is what I have: bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-...d=6473492
You just plug the little end into your computer and you can plug any old fashioned USB device into the other end. You could call it a "dongle" I guess. Can't guarantee it will work with your "big ol' fancy Macbook." We only buy apples in the fall at the Big Red Apple Barn, when they're fresh.
What George is suggesting is that you round up your thumb drives, plug them into the Chromook and transfer the files with wifi or Nearby Share or something. That's fine when it works, which for me is....sometimes.

Edited by - DougD on 05/23/2024 15:48:44

May 23, 2024 - 4:02:28 PM

3641 posts since 9/13/2009

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

I have a book of passwords and changes/dates, etc. But something went haywire when I attempted to put my password into FHO. I really hate passwords. Anyway...I'm teetering with one foot Amish and the other high tech...lol...on the one hand, I feel like getting a donkey for transportation and just using paper money for buying and being as close to subsistence farming as possible, and on the other hand, getting the best performing high tech stuff I can, sort of giving in to the idea that as much as I don't like it, the old world, the Mayberry world, has left us and I can sit here on the fence or just jump in with both feet. Anyway, gonna order one of those, grandson calls it a bongle...sp?, so they really aren't expensive, and it would be the easiest way for me to get my mp3s right here on this big ol' hairy computer. Also, I can hook up the personus box that way and either try out the Logic Pro or use studio one. So...not sure if I wanna go to playing along with mp3s...I mean, the one I linked above I'd done 5 years back, meaning I've been toying around with that idea for at least 5 years...but maybe I should just stick with making multi track recordings...why...I don't know...just some way I connect with the outside world...lol...my life is probably more isolated than your common imprisoned felon, I guess. So...gonna try to learn this stuff...get off the fence...either go full Amish or full 21st century techie.


I thought he was referring to "dongle" - essentially a thumb drive or flash drive. It's different than an adapter. Besides using to transfer files, some folks also set them up as security keys; for access to computer or certain software apps (anti-piracy like old Pro Tools); or passwords, or some additional functionality. I find it kind of annoying. There are also services that will store all your passwords in an app or cloud... you just need to remember one password. Trusting the cloud privacy might be consideration of concern.

As far as file transfer, I mentioned, using your local network was simply between computers, no flash drive involved (nor USB, or thunderbolt port or cable); might be easier and much faster. But the flash drive method works, just extra steps of copying/transferring. Though might also consider a external hard drive... not just to transfer but as long term device to back up files. Especially if using for music (or video), it's a good idea to periodically do BU, (many can set to auto BU on schedule); and these are more robust, possibly faster; better amount of read/write cycles, and importantly can hold way more storage (and multi track audio can start to consume a lot).

Edited by - alaskafiddler on 05/23/2024 16:16:07

May 23, 2024 - 4:27:46 PM

DougD

USA

11931 posts since 12/2/2007

George, the .mp3 files she wants are not on a computer - they'e scattered on a bunch of thumb drives. That's why she needs either an adapter, or to load them on her old chromebok for wireless transfer. At least I think that's what she's saying - always a little hard to tell with Peggy!

May 23, 2024 - 4:42:06 PM

3641 posts since 9/13/2009

Sorry, missed the "scattered on a bunch of thumb" drives part.

The adapter is probably the way to go... esp if have other USB devices, like Presonus, or external storage device, that would want to use on the MacBook Pro.

May 23, 2024 - 4:56:12 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Billy, I think she said she has a MacBook Pro, not an iPad.
Peggy, I don't know much about Apple products, and don't plan to change that. But I think your MacBook has Tunderbolt ports, which are a newer version of USB-C. For about 10 bucks you can buy an adapter cable that will allow you to plug in any older USB device, like a flash drive, and plug it into your computer. Also, several companies make flash drives with both old USB, and USB-C connectors. I have a 128GB Sandisk that I use to transfer files to my newer tablet and phone. Best Buy has that one for $20 right now, and they come up to 1TB. You could copy all your tracks to one and have them all in one place.


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May 23, 2024 - 7:44:55 PM

14974 posts since 9/23/2009

Lol...chickenman always cracks me up! Ok guys...I messed with this some tonight and tried to at least learn some about the video thing...even though supposedly is just a more concentrated version of what's on the iPad...seemed confusing to me...but I managed to get a poor quality video out there. Now I do have the dongle or bongle or whatever it's called on order...so I'll get some mp3s on here if I can ever get through them all. But now I'm thinking just get that persons on here so I can record from whatever room I can manage that in...and just keep on makin' multi track videos as usual...or maybe go through those hundreds of mp3s and see if I can make some usable and easy to find back up tracks. Seems there are more possibilities in my mind at this point. Here's what I came up with during a lot of ice cream and coffee and trouble tonight...lol, but it's a start, and I was kinda surprised I got this far with it.

youtu.be/3tqw3vnBAsY?si=aSl6P01gQtIRUnnX

May 24, 2024 - 5:09:56 PM

3641 posts since 9/13/2009

Just curious, what video app are you playing with?

I take it you are using the MacBook built -in camera? which is probably improvement from ipad.

FWIW, as with another topic farmerjones mentioned about making videos... might be interested to know that you can use smart phone as the capture camera, a lot of them are way better camera, plus can more easily position it; put on stand or tripod; can even use as multiple camera set-up for different angles; and camera doenst need to be next to computer (or audio gear).  A lot of YT content providers just use phone. Even older ones that no longer in service; good re-purposing for those. If an iphone and Mac, IIRC might be already built in; but there are simple apps can put on phone that will do that (including Android devices; PC,and Linux). I use free version of DroidCam, works on my old iphones; 8, 6 even the old 4. Have used some other like EpochCam, iVCam, ManyCam and there are others; some have better controls and/or resolution (search app store for Web Cam). These all just streams to computer and for whatever video program using; just like the built-in camera... and many work over WiFi, meaning can put camera at distance from computer.

As far as making video content, what's appealing... I am pretty lazy and somewhat clueless of what looks good... but as my kids and younger friends point out... that video is becoming more important part of how folks want to listen to music. I still is satisfied with just sound, like FHO mp3s; or CD, cassette tape and even vinyl laugh. Gotta move with times I guess.

May 24, 2024 - 6:52:43 PM

14974 posts since 9/23/2009

I'm not crazy about videoing myself...lol...that's so distracting for me. But I just like putting music and video of other stuff together...I was using iMovie last night with old mp3 I made a while back and old photos I had.

You can use your camera and "airdrop" the photos directly onto this here computer...so that would be easy enough. Not sure if you could airdrop video too. I've thought about making backup tracks, and possibly sometimes just turn on the camera as I play along, but probably never do that much...I never could stand videoing myself or just appearing on a photo or video.

May 24, 2024 - 10:37:48 PM

3641 posts since 9/13/2009

Wasn't referring to recording video on the phone itself, and then doing so airdrop transfer thing. Rather just using camera as actual web cam for the computer... in same way would use built-in MacBook camera (or any external webcam)... just as alternative.

Apple came out with while back something called Continuity Camera already built-in to iphone and Mac... here's a quick instructions from Apple. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-iphone-as-a-webcam-mchl77879b8a/mac

Lots of videos explaining it... here are few  https://youtu.be/XhuATZJUKUY  or  https://youtu.be/MPePK0Ut-1I  and this one  https://youtu.be/tyak7Nsu6_E (also covers using Epoch Cam as alternative).

There are lots of other apps that are also pretty easy to use,  EpochCam, Camo, NeuralCam can search YT videos to see what they do, features and how to use.

May 25, 2024 - 8:38:45 AM

14974 posts since 9/23/2009

There's a lot of stuff to get to know...don't know how many years it'll take me to learn all of it...lol...or even some of it. if there's ever any real people that wanna do stuff I enjoy, I'll sell the whole kit and kaboodle, right then and there...lol...I'm more of a people person than a button-pushin' type person...but I gotta just figure a way to do what I like to do. give me bout 25 years or so...I'll get it...lol.

May 25, 2024 - 1:25:04 PM
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2497 posts since 12/11/2008

Peg -- It's terrible that you might have trouble posting. You're the rosin that makes this joint sing!

May 25, 2024 - 6:35:50 PM

14974 posts since 9/23/2009

Now that sounds like a real compliment...undeserved, I'm sure...but...thank you...

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