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Jan 30, 2023 - 8:06:41 PM

Quincy

Belgium

562 posts since 1/16/2021

Would a 172 euro electric Stagg violin set headphone and soft case and bow included do the trick?
I want to be able to play early in the morning or late in the evening.

I DO own a Stagg instrument, with new tail piece and fine tuners.
I'm quite happy with it.

This is the instrument set I saw:


bax-shop.be/nl/violen/stagg-ev...et-gigbag

Edited by - Quincy on 01/30/2023 20:07:17

Jan 31, 2023 - 6:20:47 AM
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Well, I expect your dog will be the final arbiter on this question. However, it will be tons quieter though not silent. Have you tried stuffing your acoustic violin sound / F holes with soft foam with a mute on the strings? R/

Jan 31, 2023 - 11:11:14 PM
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365 posts since 6/3/2016

That should work, but throw away the headphone. I have played electric violins for many years without amplification for practice. (Though these days I'm playing more with a regular fiddle and mute.)  They sound best if (1) they have a natural maple bridge, implying an under-bridge pickup, and (2) you don't go cheap on strings.

I can see from the photo that instrument has an under-bridge pickup and a natural maple bridge. It should sound fine. But I strongly recommend you try one in a shop if at all possible.

I bought a Yamaha Silent Violin many years ago with the intent of using it to practice with headphones. I don't think I used the headphones for even 15 minutes. But don't go super cheap on strings. Amplified or not, electric instruments sound better with good strings. And the feel of the bow on the strings will be impacted by this as well.

Now, because electric instruments make plenty of sound unamplified, your dog will hear it. Unless your dog has worse hearing than my wife, because she can certainly hear it!

Also, the first reviewer in the link you gave posted: En ook goed onversterkt te spelen doordat de snaren zelf ook al geluid maken. For everyone else: Also good to play unamplified because the strings make noise by themselves.

Like my old Yamaha Silent Violin, it doesn't look like the Stagg can actually be used as a real electric violin. Meaning, it doesn't appear to have an on-board, low-noise amplifier with a low impedance output that could be plugged into something like an effect pedal or a digital interface. So realize that instrument will likely be only useful for silent practice and nothing else.

Edited by - RinconMtnErnie on 01/31/2023 23:12:50

Jan 31, 2023 - 11:22:10 PM
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When I look at the Product Information more carefully, I see that they claim the instrument can be plugged into an amplifier via a 3.5 mm jack. But  I would be very skeptical of this. The old Yamaha SV's had such an output jack as well, but that small of a jack is not well suited to connect to a standard instrument cable with an adapter. It would want to pop out mechanically. Also, in that price range the on-board preamplifier is likely to be noisy.

Now that said, the third reviewer talks about plugging it into an amp and being happy with the result. So I could be wrong. But I remain skeptical that this is a good instrument to plug into an amp.

Feb 1, 2023 - 6:18:11 AM
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365 posts since 6/3/2016

I should have mentioned a third criterion for unamplified instruments, which is setup. Just like any instrument, if the action is to high or the bridge curvature isn't what you want, it will need setup by a luthier which will increase the expense. I'm comfortable modifying the action and curvature of the bridge myself, especially on this kind of instrument.

It is possible to get a pretty awesome sound through headphones with the right pairing of an electric instrument with a signal processing chain and headphone amplifier. But this adds considerable complexity and expense. I can get some great sounds out of my electric instruments with passive piezo pickups, but a key part of that is a violin impulse response modeling preamp. And then have a pedal board that I really like. But that is well beyond simple "silent" practice.

Let me add that if money were not a consideration, and like for all of us I'm sure it is, my choice of this kind of instrument would be a Yamaha SV-200: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/strings/silent_series/sv200/index.html

The main reason I don't own one is because I haven't been able to justify that kind of expense when I already have two electric violins. Other reasons are that one is not available for me to try in person, and that the closet I have available to store instruments is pretty full.

Feb 1, 2023 - 12:46:57 PM

Quincy

Belgium

562 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by UsuallyPickin

Well, I expect your dog will be the final arbiter on this question. However, it will be tons quieter though not silent. Have you tried stuffing your acoustic violin sound / F holes with soft foam with a mute on the strings? R/


I have several mutes but did not try to stuff the f holes with soft foam! Thanks.

Feb 1, 2023 - 1:00:24 PM

Quincy

Belgium

562 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by RinconMtnErnie

I should have mentioned a third criterion for unamplified instruments, which is setup. Just like any instrument, if the action is to high or the bridge curvature isn't what you want, it will need setup by a luthier which will increase the expense. I'm comfortable modifying the action and curvature of the bridge myself, especially on this kind of instrument.

It is possible to get a pretty awesome sound through headphones with the right pairing of an electric instrument with a signal processing chain and headphone amplifier. But this adds considerable complexity and expense. I can get some great sounds out of my electric instruments with passive piezo pickups, but a key part of that is a violin impulse response modeling preamp. And then have a pedal board that I really like. But that is well beyond simple "silent" practice.

Let me add that if money were not a consideration, and like for all of us I'm sure it is, my choice of this kind of instrument would be a Yamaha SV-200: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/strings/silent_series/sv200/index.html

The main reason I don't own one is because I haven't been able to justify that kind of expense when I already have two electric violins. Other reasons are that one is not available for me to try in person, and that the closet I have available to store instruments is pretty full.


Thank you for your explanation! I will opt for a silent violin then, since playing in silence is the main goal. When it comes to sound I prefer an acoustic violin, but if I was rich I would have long gotten myself an electrical violin, I admit, just for fun to experiment with now and then.

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