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Nov 29, 2022 - 7:45:18 AM
14146 posts since 9/23/2009

Here's what gets me. I mean, besides bowing on the fiddle, of course, this is what gets me.

In order to actually know anything at all, which is hard for humans because we all have biased viewpoints and have a hard time being objective and discerning fact from fiction...I mean, it's just in our nature...anyway, in order to find out an actual truthful fact, we need to carve away the falsehoods and see what's left standing, accept that as probable, although it may take years, decades, etc., for enough collaboration to set that truth in stone, at least temporary stone, or helpful stone, information that we can act on and get expected results. So...that's basically logic...the scientific method...set out to DISPROVE your thought, your hunch/hypothesis...set out to DISPROVE that ol' sucker as much as you can...what's left is what might be your truth...send it out to other logical people who will do the same, in that they will also set out to disprove that idea, etc., etc., etc., until after a long time y'all pretty much know something about whatever the idea is.

Now...I can see a problem with the pharmaceutical companies...from what I understand, at least what I've read in the past, if still the way it's done, is that the pharmaceutical companies do their own studies on new drugs, also write the college/nursing/pharmacist/medical school textbooks. They have something like 11 or 12 studies allowed on a drug for whatever condition, and then they submit something like 3...of course the best three, to the FDA for approval. So...one can imagine with the money involved...they are not setting their studies to disprove the efficacy and safety, rather to try to PROVE...backwards reasoning there. Ok, so the first 7 studies, early on, might not have great results...they are free to privately tweak the studies a little here and there until they get 3 good ones to send to the FDA for approval...seems to me we'd all be better off if the studies of the upcoming drugs were done by some labs somewhere not invested in the industry. Another thing...it's disturbing these companies can now advertise their drugs to the public at large...so we watch how happy people are bouncing around doing fun things to peppy music while the fine print or rushed through details tell of the projectile vomiting episodes, subjectiveness to tuberculosis, or possibly even death may occur...lol...that's bad enough, but to boot, you have no way of knowing if their stats represent relative or absolute outcomes...very important to distinguish the difference.

Ok, so what am I saying...conspiracy theory against pharmaceutical companies? Well...sort of a timid lack of trust or good faith, I guess. So I banked on figuring Pfizer and Moderna and all those other guys didn't set out to kill people with their vaccines during a global health emergency...I took all 5 Pfizer shots...no problems...hoping they had good will along with, of course, preserving a reputation for helping during the emergency and also making their money. But...yeah I do worry that we see general disregard for what seem to me, a nonscientist that I am, but seem to me to be very possible biased studies that end up selling drugs that might be dangerous. Then of course if people do get injuries or illness from taking the drugs, they are taken off the market, class action lawsuits come up...the actual victims get 40 or 50 bucks, the law firms get millions, and after having made billions, the drug companies get a slap on the wrist but have made enough to just continue on in the same way. So...you know...makes me kinda nervous...I hope this doesnt' amount to a conspiracy theory, but, rather, distrust in a greedy and biased system at work, a system which taints the scientific method.

I worry this same problem with research is also affecting nutrition...same thing. Seems from what I've read nutrional studies have set out to PROVE this is good to eat, this is harmful, etc., rather than setting out to DISPROVE what they hope to be true so that the facts left standing are really the facts, whether you like the results or not. Seems we don't know much of anything because of the confusion caused by backwards research and bias.

So...we hope there's a Bigfoot? Because it's fun ... we hope there's a Santa and Easter Bunny...lol. And we fear the covid vaccines because we don't have enough trust in government agencies or pharmaceutical industry...I mean...we don't know what to think.

Yet, some industries have made good use of scientific discoveries and have obvious sucesses...LED lights and all the technologies they bring...cell phones with tiny antennae based on the mandelbrot set...clocks that run, cars that go...bombs that destroy...soap that saponifies...I mean, so many obvious miracles that we know to work, we expect to behave as they never fail to do.

So...well...what'd ya think? What am I saying? Nothing, really...lol. I don't have any belief in a Bigfoot, other than bears...I got 5 covid shots...although I didn't like the idea but just went on good faith...but I guess I go through our modern world as a skeptic in general, not sure who to trust or what to believe, or where to find accurate info that can help me make decisions. I think it's best to play some music and forget all about everything else...lol.

Any thoughts? Am I just crazy? Well, don't bother answering that...but any other thoughts? How do we know...how do we know that we don't know? Seems nearly impossible.

Nov 29, 2022 - 7:50:55 AM

14146 posts since 9/23/2009

...oh, and one more thing about what we know, what we know we know, and what we don't know that we don't know. Once in the elevator at work my boss got all over my case for not having attended a meeting. I told her I didn't know about the meeting. She jumped on me and said I should tell her when I don't know about meetings...I had to laugh at that, and said..."Gerry, how can I know what I do not know?" Which is true.

Nov 29, 2022 - 8:58:18 AM
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2875 posts since 10/22/2007

Take one look at the pyramids and a place called Puma-puncu. Then tell me how smart we are today. What I do know, is you can be as smart or as ignorant as one pleases, and one will still pass away, in X amount of days from one's birth. I think we should all be nice and considerate. Because, being around someone who's not, is like playing with an inconsiderate jammer. I would say musician, but an inconsiderate player isn't really what I would call a musician.

Nov 29, 2022 - 9:43:42 AM
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Erockin

USA

253 posts since 9/3/2022

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Originally posted by farmerjones

Take one look at the pyramids and a place called Puma-puncu. Then tell me how smart we are today. What I do know, is you can be as smart or as ignorant as one pleases, and one will still pass away, in X amount of days from one's birth. I think we should all be nice and considerate. Because, being around someone who's not, is like playing with an inconsiderate jammer. I would say musician, but an inconsiderate player isn't really what I would call a musician.


I just started that new documentary on Netflix "Ancient Apocalypse" if you haven't, it's great! 

Nov 29, 2022 - 9:55:39 AM
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10750 posts since 3/19/2009

Peggy. There are only TWO things that I'm 100% sure of.. everything else is up for grabs.. The two things: One: Something is happening...
Two: I don't understand what it is that is happening..

Nov 29, 2022 - 12:14:55 PM

14146 posts since 9/23/2009

Our daughter was talking about Ancient Apocalypse the other day...she was telling us we should watch it.

Nov 29, 2022 - 12:28:38 PM

2875 posts since 10/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Erock77
quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones

Take one look at the pyramids and a place called Puma-puncu. Then tell me how smart we are today. What I do know, is you can be as smart or as ignorant as one pleases, and one will still pass away, in X amount of days from one's birth. I think we should all be nice and considerate. Because, being around someone who's not, is like playing with an inconsiderate jammer. I would say musician, but an inconsiderate player isn't really what I would call a musician.


I just started that new documentary on Netflix "Ancient Apocalypse" if you haven't, it's great! 


One thing always stuck with me about megalithic structures: Somebody said, "they used precisely cut 50-100 ton stones, not because it was difficult for them. It was because it was relatively easy."  

Nov 29, 2022 - 12:31:03 PM
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2335 posts since 8/27/2008

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Here's what gets me. I mean, besides bowing on the fiddle, of course, this is what gets me.



Any thoughts? Am I just crazy? Well, don't bother answering that...but any other thoughts? How do we know...how do we know that we don't know? Seems nearly impossible.


Not crazy at all. Especially well put is stressing that the way to determine something might be true is to attempt to disprove it in in every way possible. Try to falsify it. Conversely, it's pretty easy to see through claims of things "proved" by science whether it's products they're trying to sell, or "proof" of an afterlife or anything else.  Proofs are for mathematicians, weight of evidence is science. When you start with the desired outcome for something, then only gather evidence to back it up and call that Proof, you're either deluded or corrupt. Nice to believe in orbiting teapots, though.

Nov 29, 2022 - 9:25:51 PM
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6186 posts since 8/7/2009

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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Peggy. There are only TWO things that I'm 100% sure of.. everything else is up for grabs.. The two things: One: Something is happening...
Two: I don't understand what it is that is happening..


 

1. I exist.

2. I didn't do that.

Nov 29, 2022 - 9:40:15 PM
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Old Scratch

Canada

1091 posts since 6/22/2016

1. I exist.

2. You don't. I'm imagining all of you. If I go, you go - and don't you forget it!

Nov 30, 2022 - 1:49:19 AM
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10750 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Old Scratch

1. I exist.

2. You don't. I'm imagining all of you. If I go, you go - and don't you forget it!


Yes.. That is good advice...Sir.....

Nov 30, 2022 - 4:21:28 AM
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14146 posts since 9/23/2009

Well as Old Scratch "proves," there is that pesky little possible issue of solipsism, I mean, it's possible we are all figments of our own imagination, er, of Ol' Scratch's imagination...lol. Or somebody is just thinkin' it all up.

Nov 30, 2022 - 4:54:34 AM
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10750 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Well as Old Scratch "proves," there is that pesky little possible issue of solipsism, I mean, it's possible we are all figments of our own imagination, er, of Ol' Scratch's imagination...lol. Or somebody is just thinkin' it all up.


From a great distance we seem too small to see, and from way up close we are just sub atomic particles..So. It is all a matter of perspective, physically, that is..

Nov 30, 2022 - 5:15:35 AM
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2875 posts since 10/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Old Scratch

1. I exist.

2. You don't. I'm imagining all of you. If I go, you go - and don't you forget it!


So you're the guy! Y'know they have those turn signals for a reason. 

Nov 30, 2022 - 6:57:15 AM
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6186 posts since 8/7/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Old Scratch

1. I exist.

2. You don't. I'm imagining all of you. If I go, you go - and don't you forget it!


Do you always talk to yourself that way? 

Nov 30, 2022 - 7:50:21 AM
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Old Scratch

Canada

1091 posts since 6/22/2016

No, sometimes I put on a Jamaican accent ... !

Nov 30, 2022 - 11:00:46 AM
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6096 posts since 9/26/2008

laugh

Nov 30, 2022 - 5:19:40 PM

370 posts since 4/15/2019

Huh?????????????

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