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Nov 4, 2022 - 2:57:07 PM
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10717 posts since 3/19/2009

Check this guy out.. Which styles did he 'nail' and which did he miss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNVVsrF5O-M

I always thought that there were TWO fiddle styles.. Old Time and Everything Else!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 11/04/2022 14:57:50

Nov 4, 2022 - 3:57:54 PM

Old Scratch

Canada

1087 posts since 6/22/2016

Without knowing all those styles, I suspect that he sounds like a typical modern professional player in all of them.

Nov 4, 2022 - 4:10:32 PM
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Swing

USA

2228 posts since 6/26/2007

I saw that but didn't look at it.... I have found that when a player says that they can play in a bunch of different styles and proceed to show off, well they really don't succeed... generalizing a particular style of fiddling is like saying that all people who walk forward are right footed... it doesn't make any sense. I have experienced a classical violinist who gave a demonstration concert on fiddling, I walked out after the first two tunes. I have friend who is a professional fiddler, he makes a living playing fiddle, not as a violinist...he really does play extremely well in three or four styles... he also has been playing for over fifty years and studies those styles continuously...

Play Happy

Swing

Nov 4, 2022 - 4:17:35 PM

DougD

USA

10964 posts since 12/2/2007

So I guess you all probably also skipped his other video of the 20 types of fiddle tunes? Yeah, I did too.

Nov 4, 2022 - 6:27:33 PM
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2398 posts since 8/23/2008

This guy has got a great repertoire, and he is a very good fiddler. Dunno which styles he nailed or missed but his Irish ornamentation was convincing. He's playing a tune from each genre and doesn't matter whether he nailed them or not because he has command of his instrument. But he didnt take advantage of the improvisational styles in jazz, blues and the back-up fiddle.

Nov 4, 2022 - 6:52:08 PM
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DougD

USA

10964 posts since 12/2/2007

Henry is right, and I shouldn't have been so dismissive. Everyone should watch a little before they judge - its not like other "all styles" kind of presentations. He doesn't stop to introduce each style or tune type - its one long medley where he instantly goes from one to another. I doubt he's really fluent in all those styles, but its quite a tour de force. Reminds me a little of that "Pure Laine" contest at Pembroke.
Makes you wonder if he might be some very clever computer animation!

Nov 5, 2022 - 5:18:06 AM
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RichJ

USA

797 posts since 8/6/2013

This kinda stuff reminds me of those variety show impersonators so popular 50 or more years ago. They could do very convincing voice imitations of movie stars, cartoon characters and other famous people of the day. They were fun to watch, but in the end, what's the point? If my goal is achieving a particular style of fiddling (or maybe even acting for that matter) I don't think I'd be watching an impersonator.

Nov 5, 2022 - 6:08:07 AM
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14110 posts since 9/23/2009

Well I didn't listen to the whole thing...just not enough time...always rushed...but I gotta say I think it's obvious he just loves playing and he's so good his heart and soul and playing abilities span across anything there is to play. I'm sure his life is fiddling, fiddling, fiddling. It sounds like a pretty good life to me, and I thought he was really good at what little I saw...got up to Bluegrass I think it was.

Well but anyway...as far as the later-in-life, self-taught, old-timey folkster type fiddler I am...lol...I can admire him and maybe also find his playing inspiring...but in my own little mind and world, there's just the two types of fiddling styles (for me simple Old Time tunes and simple singing tunes, ballads, country tunes, hymns, etc.)...lol...I treacherously tiptoe through them as best as I can manage and don't dare look around for anything more...lol.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 11/05/2022 06:09:13

Nov 5, 2022 - 6:22:26 AM
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DougD

USA

10964 posts since 12/2/2007

BTW, Michael Burnyeat, who created these videos, is a young fiddler from Vancouver who is making a name for himself as a teacher and performer, mostly of folk and Celtic music. I suspect Peggy's characterization is about right, although he recently graduated university with a degree not in music but in English literature.

Edited by - DougD on 11/05/2022 06:25:33

Nov 5, 2022 - 7:00:57 AM
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10717 posts since 3/19/2009

It would be a fun challenge for him to play just ONE TUNE but in 30 styles..

Nov 5, 2022 - 8:04:12 AM
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6083 posts since 9/26/2008

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

It would be a fun challenge for him to play just ONE TUNE but in 30 styles..


This would be a true testament of his abilities. Some tunes lend themselves to a style and using only one would be the way to eliminate a huge variable. 

Nov 5, 2022 - 8:34:40 AM
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Earworm

USA

423 posts since 1/30/2018

Well, I have just invested 18 minutes and 46 seconds of my life watching this guy, and I thought it was fun. Not to be taken too seriously, I think, as an authority on any one style, still, it shows a little something, and his talent is clear. I'm reading it more as an exercise that students might do to sample ideas, and I'll bet he learned a lot by doing it too.

I think maybe this could be a neat comeback to those folks who just assume all fiddle music is Bluegrass, or that it all sounds the same, or that it all comes from one place. All over the world, all sorts of people, spans a length of time almost as long as the whole story of human history. I mean, there's nothing that's not cool about that.

Edited by - Earworm on 11/05/2022 08:38:01

Nov 5, 2022 - 11:13:08 AM
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Old Scratch

Canada

1087 posts since 6/22/2016

I have mixed feelings about all this. I like to get the sense that music is coming from someplace deep, that the musician is expressing something within himself that can't get out any other way. However, many, if not most, good musicians that I've known would look at me like I've got a screw loose if they heard me talking that way, or, at best, would just shrug and start noodling. All power to this young fella who could play circles around me in any style any day of the week and twice on Sunday ... but ... well, I don't imagine I'll be going back to this particular video.

Nov 5, 2022 - 2:15:49 PM

686 posts since 6/11/2019

My comment is less philosophical

I really only know (and play) bluegrass, country swing, Scottish/Irish and old time (probably all with the same style, lol)

I think he was spot on with is B/G selection--Wheel Hoss (old school Monroe)

I realize everybody recognizes Faded Love and links it to Bob Wills, but I think a more representative swing song would be something like Heartaches by the Number

I suppose Angelina Baker is representative of O/T, but I don't feel it's a bullseye--gotta be Soldiers Joy

But what do I know--I couldn't play one song without messing something up, much less 30

Nov 5, 2022 - 3:26:25 PM
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DougD

USA

10964 posts since 12/2/2007

Just a little quibble: "Heartaches by the Number" is a country/pop song from 1959, and although it was a C/W hit for Ray Price, the biggest record was by Guy Mitchell, which made the pop charts.
I would think a better, iconic, western swing number might be "San Antonio Rose."

Nov 5, 2022 - 8:10:09 PM

686 posts since 6/11/2019

Doug, I consider anything that does this to be swing:

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Heartaches is a recent C/W song, but most folks cover it with a swing rhythm.  Especially effective with a walking bass.  You hear a lot of this type if you go 2-stepping.  Guitars & Cadillacs, etc

Anyway, that's what I would call swing, and it seems to parallel the swing movement that started in big band.

Nov 6, 2022 - 6:23:23 AM
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RobBob

USA

2897 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

BTW, Michael Burnyeat, who created these videos, is a young fiddler from Vancouver who is making a name for himself as a teacher and performer, mostly of folk and Celtic music. I suspect Peggy's characterization is about right, although he recently graduated university with a degree not in music but in English literature.


i guess he needs to do something, anything to make money with a degree in English lit. 

Nov 6, 2022 - 8:25:16 AM

Old Scratch

Canada

1087 posts since 6/22/2016

Kinda reminds me of Leonard Cohen taking up guitar and singing/songwriting because he couldn't make a living at writing .... Which one is the rock and which the hard place? Truth told, of course, it did work out for ol' Leonard, so maybe this guy will hit the big time, too ... !

Nov 6, 2022 - 8:48:30 AM
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Earworm

USA

423 posts since 1/30/2018

Yeah, I chuckled at the English Lit credential too. Not because I'm criticizing, but because it reminds me of me.

Nov 6, 2022 - 12:06:53 PM
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970 posts since 3/1/2020

I think way too much is being read into a simple YouTube video. It was just a demonstration of a wide range of styles, not a definitive guide to each one, not an example of the best tune in each style. I think it was really more about showing how much variety there is in fiddling, something that exists around the globe, not just in one small area. After watching the first video, I watched the next two that were suggested (another 30 styles and one about different tune forms).

To have a successful YouTube presence, a presenter has to find a way to appeal to the broadest audience he can find. Getting overly technical isn’t fun for people just wanting to sample different sounds. If you’re looking for more detail or for solid information, YouTube isn’t the best place.

I think he demonstrated the styles well, enough to give anyone an idea of what they sound like. Think of it as a jumping-off point. He plays very well, and it comes as no surprise that he’s won many accolades and has already put out two recordings. He teaches and plays professionally, so I think it’s safe to say he’s done well for himself already.

Nov 6, 2022 - 2:51:07 PM

14110 posts since 9/23/2009

True a degree in English is about as frustrating as trying to earn a living with music must be...lol. Many a career at McDonald's began with such college degrees or personal dreams...lol.

Nov 6, 2022 - 7:24:32 PM
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109 posts since 3/15/2022

I thought the intro "Scottish" style was nice... the rest not so heartfelt. But It's a novelty video. The internet produces such things for better or worse. In the end he's a good player. I know good players who sometimes play good music.

Nov 6, 2022 - 11:31:59 PM
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gapbob

USA

858 posts since 4/20/2008

He did well.

Nov 7, 2022 - 2:42:56 PM
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3217 posts since 9/13/2009

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Check this guy out.. Which styles did he 'nail' and which did he miss?


Not sure what the point of video was? Some seemed kind of funny to me (60; seriously?)

Not sure what mean "nail", but ere ore my observations about that.

1. He plays violin on a diversity of music compositions associated with a music genre, or country...but how many are actually represent a "fiddle" tradition or style?

2. Even ones with fiddle tradition, would question some as whether they are very representative? (for example: Blues, Cajun, Country, Western Swing, Gypsy Jazz, Mariachi, Shetland, Jazz...) 

3. Are some music examples is just a bit surface, stereotype cliche? (covers many different aspects)

4. Brings up oft question, that might differentiate; is the style defined by the composition (and origin); or something more (performance, nuances of groove/feel, in how people play and articulate it)?

Related, one thing I noticed is similarity to his playing across the styles... which shows his background and influence.  
 

Nov 7, 2022 - 2:52:46 PM
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10717 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by alaskafiddler
quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Check this guy out.. Which styles did he 'nail' and which did he miss?


Not sure what the point of video was? Some seemed kind of funny to me (60; seriously?)

Not sure what mean "nail", but ere ore my observations about that.

1. He plays violin on a diversity of music compositions associated with a music genre, or country...but how many are actually represent a "fiddle" tradition or style?

2. Even ones with fiddle tradition, would question some as whether they are very representative? (for example: Blues, Cajun, Country, Western Swing, Gypsy Jazz, Mariachi, Shetland, Jazz...) 

3. Are some music examples is just a bit surface, stereotype cliche? (covers many different aspects)

4. Brings up oft question, that might differentiate; is the style defined by the composition (and origin); or something more (performance, nuances of groove/feel, in how people play and articulate it)?

Related, one thing I noticed is similarity to his playing across the styles... which shows his background and influence.  
 

 


Your comment reflects why I suggested that if he had just play ONE TUNE in all those styles it would have been more interesting.!!!!

Nov 8, 2022 - 4:39:39 AM
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Erockin

USA

227 posts since 9/3/2022

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Check this guy out.. Which styles did he 'nail' and which did he miss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNVVsrF5O-M

I always thought that there were TWO fiddle styles.. Old Time and Everything Else!!


I'm grateful that you posted this! I had seen this already in it's entirety and thought to myself, "wow, this guy has put a lot of work in at such a young age." Only spending 5 weeks on this amazing instrument myself, I'll never pass judgment onto any musician at any level or for whatever reason they chose to play music. I'd never assume anyone who has a degree is not deserved of their talent. I lift people like this up. I need more violin/fiddle in my life and I'm glad that there is FREE content out there to inspire us all at any level. Shew, I'm glad I didn't share any of my fiddling, smiley

Edited by - Erockin on 11/08/2022 04:40:12

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