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Oct 27, 2022 - 5:41:19 AM
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wow...a long time ago when i first joined BGDaddy I went head-first into the tough advanced lessons...I was still pretty new at fiddling and that was really stepping outside of my league...way out. Well anyway, I was newly retired and mike worked until 2 a.m., so the little doggie, Cricket, and I would finally go to bed around midnight, I'd take my chromebook and fiddle and work through the painfully tough lessons on Bluegrassdaddy while half asleep waiting for him to get home...that was the only time of day I had to practice...midnight to 2 a.m....then up at 6 and back working to help everybody again all day...lol...but I wanted to learn so bad that's what I did. So well...too much background TMI here...so Gardenia Waltz was one of them...Golden Fiddle Watlz another...Bobby Hicks Faded Love and Maiden's Prayer another, Johnny Gimble Faded love...etc, etc, etc. So I struggled through all those finger buster things and could sorta play them in a shaky, painfully pitchy, limping way...lol...after Mike quit that job I just stopped practicing and started trying to get 8 hours sleep. But anyhow...Gardenia Waltz has haunted me (the others too, but GW is upfront with the haunts) throughout the years...as opposed to having played for maybe six months the other time...it's been about 14 years now I've been playing...so...maybe I can handle it...so all of that just to say, yep, I'm staying up nights again and working my way through Gardenia Waltz once again. Am I any better at it? Nope...it's shaky, it's pitchy...not too good. But the desire to try is back again...so...seems the later I get to sleep the earlier I pop up in the mornings...lol...ah, the sleepless life of an inept fiddler...lol.

Oct 27, 2022 - 9:07:34 AM
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There are a few waltzes with double stops that I find difficult not matter how much I play them... Howdy Forrester wrote some beauties but I find Memories Waltz difficult to consistently get the double stops right, it is in G and D and yet his tune The Last Waltz is in Bb and I have no trouble at all with the double stops....I have parts of Gardenia Waltz down pretty well but damned if I can play the whole thing... it does help to have someone playing backup for you while you work your way through...

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Oct 27, 2022 - 10:43:35 AM
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Coincidentally, I was watching this, this morning.
youtu.be/5wio7m7Yz88
Something to shoot at, for sure.
All the shifting and key changes, make it a jam buster. Like Mom & Dads Waltz. I couldn't tell the guitar guy what the chords were, so I played it unaccompanied. Didn't win, but got a pat on the back from several competitors for my try.

Oct 27, 2022 - 11:19:46 AM

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Good for you...anyone who tries deserves a pat on the back!

Well one thing I can absolutely guarantee, is I won't EVER play it like Michael Cleveland does...lol. Nope, no way. Mine hurts my ears for all the sour notes...lol.

Here's where I'm gettin' my fingerings...https://youtu.be/Lrf0Yhv74JQ  I think John Cockman is pretty much doing straightup Johnny Gimble...he usually sticks pretty close to the source he bases his lessons on...but someday if I ever learn it I'll get to try to be as creative as Michael Cleveland was...lol...ok, you can stop laughing now...me too. Hey, it COULD happen if I live to be over a hundred.

Also I have worked on this finger buster in the past...wantin' to get back to that one if at all possible...man that is so hard to play...Again...straightup version of Randy Howard, I guess...in F to boot...I mean...I just don't play in F. I did learn this one back several years ago...but it made anybody within earshot sick to hear it...lol...self-included...but I'm gonna get back to this one too...I think these double stop waltzes are just so beautiful on fiddle...but gosh...I mean...I'm not sure I could ever play them... youtu.be/6sui5qDOV74

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 10/27/2022 11:20:58

Oct 27, 2022 - 12:54:52 PM
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Those are some pretty waltzes! (with Tricky doublestops!!)

I wonder if it would help to mark out your fingerboard with the tapes, like he does?
Or, maybe just try to get the doublestops on the long notes for now...as a start...

you sure know how to pick a challenge! :-)

Oct 27, 2022 - 6:08:16 PM

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I know he's got the taps marking frets on there but I never really look at my fingerboard...I mean, I glance at the relative position of things but I don't think I could see those tapes on mine...lol...I'm not sure how people can see that. But I guess if you could, it would sound more in tune...mine sure sounds awful...lol.

Oct 28, 2022 - 8:51:16 AM
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I practice scales and double stops with a cello tone playing in the background. That helps me hear when they are in or out of tune. R/

Oct 28, 2022 - 4:50:09 PM

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Where do you get a cello tone?

Oct 29, 2022 - 8:45:07 AM

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Oct 29, 2022 - 10:52:50 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by NCnotes

Those are some pretty waltzes! (with Tricky doublestops!!)

I wonder if it would help to mark out your fingerboard with the tapes, like he does?
Or, maybe just try to get the doublestops on the long notes for now...as a start...

you sure know how to pick a challenge! :-)


He's probably using it more for teaching others.

Might help with a general visualization of layout. (similar beginning guitar players might put colored dots up the neck). Reminder of approximate distance and/or adjacent string, shape. Esp for chords. Many folks find a mandolin for the same idea... just easier to see frets, dot position markers, and then later visualize in mind.

Probably won't really help for intonation. 

Oct 29, 2022 - 11:55:42 AM

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Warning...one of these days maybe I'll get the nerve to record Gardenia Waltz...lol...I think it's about as hard to do a guitar track as the fiddle...well...not quite as hard, but not easy on guitar either. Right now I practice it when I get the chance at night with the BGDaddy backup tracks...but if I ever get around to recording it I'd rather make my own. I did put it up on my youtube channel once but I'm sure I took it back down because it makes me personally sick to hear it...must have the same effect on others who might stumble upon my youtube channel...lol...I'd rather not get the reputation of making people sick with my musical recordings...lol. But one of these days I might get up the nerve to try again.

Oct 29, 2022 - 12:01:57 PM

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Oh I got curious and looked for it on my channel...yep, it's still there...says from a year ago...

youtu.be/nZaEFZ1NQCU

And look what else I found on there a year ago...lol...I must've been going through the same fiddling insanity I'm going through now a year ago...I noticed on Golden Fiddle Waltz I just did the first break...lol...which breaks your fingers to the point where the second break has to wait...lol.

youtu.be/podPq0UcpdQ

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 10/29/2022 12:03:13

Oct 29, 2022 - 1:29:56 PM

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Here is a close up of Jon Bekoff's hands playing Saturday Night Waltz. I don't have words to say how wonderful this is! Talk about double stops, slides, and beautiful harmonies!

youtube.com/watch?v=li7jT0am6cA

Edited by - fddl77189 on 10/29/2022 13:34:16

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