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Oct 26, 2022 - 5:29:26 AM
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241 posts since 9/3/2022

Stumbled upon this band this morning and thought I'd spread the love. "Dumpster Debbie." Don't be thrown by the name or cover. It's a long watch but plenty of tastiness to hear. Have a great Day!

youtube.com/watch?v=0996z7bNjM0

Oct 26, 2022 - 6:20:47 AM
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Earworm

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Cool! Thanks!

Oct 26, 2022 - 6:39:52 AM
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RobBob

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2898 posts since 6/26/2007

This reminds me just a tad of an old album we have called Two Traditions where percussionists play with a string band in an Afro fusion old time sound. Having studied percussion as a kid I find their groove relentless and kind of Cajun in its pulse.

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:20:08 AM
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2874 posts since 10/22/2007

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:22:59 AM

Erockin

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241 posts since 9/3/2022

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Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


My office loves when I use a few extra drops in the morning...lol

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:37:37 AM
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DougD

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"The modern day hippie refuses to die" - (paraphrasing Frank Zappa paraphrasing Edgard Varèse).

Edited by - DougD on 10/26/2022 10:40:03

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:38:31 AM
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RobBob

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quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


Isn't that what they used to use to cover up the smell of pot? Those hippies.

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:45:19 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by RobBob
quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


Isn't that what they used to use to cover up the smell of pot? Those hippies.


That was sandalwood incense. In some circles, patchouli oil replaced bathing. 

Oct 26, 2022 - 10:58:42 AM
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I own one of the mics the fiddler is playing into and can tell you this: the other mics on stage are over kill. That mic has a reach of 8 feet from center at literally 180 degrees and 4ft deep (really, farther, but that's the sweet spot). My 5 piece bluegrass band uses one without issue and my much quieter 6 piece ukulele band also uses it with great success. Sounds guy must really like to set up and tear down extra gear. laugh

Oct 26, 2022 - 11:05:48 AM

Erockin

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241 posts since 9/3/2022

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

I own one of the mics the fiddler is playing into and can tell you this: the other mics on stage are over kill. That mic has a reach of 8 feet from center at literally 180 degrees and 4ft deep (really, farther, but that's the sweet spot). My 5 piece bluegrass band uses one without issue and my much quieter 6 piece ukulele band also uses it with great success. Sounds guy must really like to set up and tear down extra gear. laugh


Ear Trumpet Lab?

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:37:46 PM

10745 posts since 3/19/2009

Love it!!

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:47:57 PM

2623 posts since 7/12/2013

quote:
Originally posted by RobBob

This reminds me just a tad of an old album we have called Two Traditions where percussionists play with a string band in an Afro fusion old time sound. Having studied percussion as a kid I find their groove relentless and kind of Cajun in its pulse.


Wow that sounds awesome, where can I find it?

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:50:10 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

I own one of the mics the fiddler is playing into and can tell you this: the other mics on stage are over kill. That mic has a reach of 8 feet from center at literally 180 degrees and 4ft deep (really, farther, but that's the sweet spot). My 5 piece bluegrass band uses one without issue and my much quieter 6 piece ukulele band also uses it with great success. Sounds guy must really like to set up and tear down extra gear. laugh


You must have better sound guys than we did. We tried doing the one mic thing and get everyone around, but it was really difficult to not get feedback and still get everyone heard in a bar. Eventually we added two side mics and would just have 2 people singing into our Louise.

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:50:32 PM
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I looove tasteful percussion in bluegrass and oldetimey music.

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:51:02 PM
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Originally posted by Erock77
quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

I own one of the mics the fiddler is playing into and can tell you this: the other mics on stage are over kill. That mic has a reach of 8 feet from center at literally 180 degrees and 4ft deep (really, farther, but that's the sweet spot). My 5 piece bluegrass band uses one without issue and my much quieter 6 piece ukulele band also uses it with great success. Sounds guy must really like to set up and tear down extra gear. laugh


Ear Trumpet Lab?


Yes. Eart trumpet.

They are just using standard individual micing set-up, ETL condensers, rather than SM57s or 421s.

They are a typical cardioid polar pattern.

Mics don't have reach. 

Oct 26, 2022 - 1:56:16 PM
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Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel
quote:
Originally posted by RobBob

This reminds me just a tad of an old album we have called Two Traditions where percussionists play with a string band in an Afro fusion old time sound. Having studied percussion as a kid I find their groove relentless and kind of Cajun in its pulse.


Wow that sounds awesome, where can I find it?


The Horseflies. There is also a live recording  "In the Dance Tent"

Oct 26, 2022 - 2:04:12 PM
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DougD

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Don't know if mics have "reach," but its certainly a term commonly used to describe the working distance of a microphone. Condenser microphones are said to have "reach" because of the built in preamp\impedance converter. The ETL mics are kind of "dumbed down" in terms of both frequency response and output level, but a "real" condenser mic like an AK414 or a KM84 can provide good sound at surprising working distances, if feedback is not an issue.
Billy, your mic might have those characteristics, but it really depends on the situation. I've noticed that some small groups that tried the one mic approach have added a few more. I did sound for Foghorn once, and I think we used a center mic plus one on each side for mandolin and guitae, plus one for the bass (I believe Nadine now has a ETL mic named for her). That's really a pretty versatile setup.

Edited by - DougD on 10/26/2022 14:07:25

Oct 26, 2022 - 2:16:24 PM
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DougD

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Here's a site for "Two Traditions" where you can listen and purchase: jimrobertspercussion.com/album...raditions

Oct 26, 2022 - 2:58 PM
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Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


THey probably prefer Hemp oil... just sayin'.

Oct 26, 2022 - 4:41:23 PM
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RobBob

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2898 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones
quote:
Originally posted by RobBob
quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


Isn't that what they used to use to cover up the smell of pot? Those hippies.


That was sandalwood incense. In some circles, patchouli oil replaced bathing. 


I stand corrected and further enlightened.

Oct 26, 2022 - 4:44:49 PM

RobBob

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2898 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel
quote:
Originally posted by RobBob

This reminds me just a tad of an old album we have called Two Traditions where percussionists play with a string band in an Afro fusion old time sound. Having studied percussion as a kid I find their groove relentless and kind of Cajun in its pulse.


Wow that sounds awesome, where can I find it?


Perhaps here: https://www.amazon.com/Balaphon-Banjo-Fiddle-Drum-Traditions/dp/B000OIRDZS

Oct 27, 2022 - 4:23:44 AM

Erockin

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241 posts since 9/3/2022

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver
quote:
Originally posted by farmerjones

Spose the even know what patchouli oil is?smiley


THey probably prefer Hemp oil... just sayin'.

 


I know I do!

Oct 28, 2022 - 4:41:21 AM

3217 posts since 9/13/2009

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Don't know if mics have "reach," but its certainly a term commonly used to describe the working distance of a microphone. Condenser microphones are said to have "reach" because of the built in preamp\impedance converter. The ETL mics are kind of "dumbed down" in terms of both frequency response and output level, but a "real" condenser mic like an AK414 or a KM84 can provide good sound at surprising working distances, if feedback is not an issue.
Billy, your mic might have those characteristics, but it really depends on the situation. I've noticed that some small groups that tried the one mic approach have added a few more. I did sound for Foghorn once, and I think we used a center mic plus one on each side for mandolin and guitae, plus one for the bass (I believe Nadine now has a ETL mic named for her). That's really a pretty versatile setup.


Just pointing out common misconception in what many folks are conflating when they say "reach" is output, idea of hot/loud/sensitive mic. But that output (mV or dBV) is mostly irrelevant, as is just affects adjustment at the preamp/trim. 

Shure has a couple of good explanations. How far away will my microphone pick up? (shure.com) 
Microphone Placement: A Thermometer Analogy (shure.com)
Debunking Common Audio Myths - Shure USA #10 addresses reach, but the whole article has useful info.

Also might be of interest is Critical Distance.  Critical Distance and Microphone Placement (shure.com) or What is the distance factor of a microphone? (shure.com)  Not about sensitivity or output... mostly about polar pattern; ambient sound, and a given environment. (not sure if that's what referring to as "working distance"?)

Oct 28, 2022 - 7:50:17 PM

6092 posts since 9/26/2008

Louise

You can see the "polar pattern" here. Four feet left and right at nearly 90 degrees to the edge of the mic. The mic is perfect for small group acoustic applications, but indoor surfaces will cause issues, because it is so sensitive. The ukes use it with two monitors in outdoor settings, and hang a packing blanket behind us to help absorb reflected sound indoors. That said, the bluegrass band plays indoor gigs and doesn't use the blanket with her when the setting is right (larger venues meant for music, stage etc). 

Oct 29, 2022 - 10:32:12 AM

3217 posts since 9/13/2009

Nothing against ETL Louise as perfectly good mic for certain applications (I have used quite a few times); but these comments are misunderstanding.

You can see the "polar pattern" here. Four feet left and right at nearly 90 degrees to the edge of the mic. 

Nothing says four feet. Polar pattern plots don't measure/show units of distance, but in difference of dB., from on axis 0 degree, to off axis.  90 degrees is approx -6 dB than on axis 0 degree.

but indoor surfaces will cause issues, because it is so sensitive

Indoor surfaces can cause issues, but not because of sensitivity. Sensitivity is just the efficiency of converting mechanical energy (sound pressure waves) at the diaphragm into small mV of electrical energy. Affects how much preamp needs to boost the signal to make an equivalent level.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, and brings up perhaps another good topic for discussion... about sound system set up, and single mic stuff... how to get the most out of it.

Edited by - alaskafiddler on 10/29/2022 10:33:37

Oct 29, 2022 - 2:16:23 PM

6092 posts since 9/26/2008

Technical jargon/semantics.

Experience tells me the mic can "hear" (and thus amplify the sound) from at least 4 feet away.

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