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Oct 16, 2022 - 5:10:26 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

A) When I wake up in the middle of the night, like now round half past two, I feel the need to play
B) Because this is still the landlord's property and the house with the rental appartment with me in it has already been sold to another landlord, I should not feel this need
C) To make it sound acceptable (quiet enough!) I make use of a terrible heavy rubber coated metal mute which is dangerous for my instrument (imagine it would fall on let's say the f holes!!!)
D) It's always in the middle of the night that I get great ideas like how about learning the correct notes of the blackest crow by playing along with The show ponies
E) It doesn't help the recording actually sounds nice, think away the heavy rubber coated metal mute sound


Edited by - Quincy on 10/16/2022 17:15:19

Oct 16, 2022 - 5:13:58 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

So far I am discovering:

- mandoline instructional videos to play along with
- banjo videos with the same goal
- singers that I can play along with

That 's what happens when you lack nearby fiddlers!!

Oct 16, 2022 - 5:50:32 PM
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2398 posts since 8/23/2008

I would stay in bed and take advantage at this time to go through the music in my head by visualizing the notes and how they are played, and hear how they should sound...

Oct 16, 2022 - 5:59:34 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

Hehe, that would be a better plan indeed. Even my high drive dog wants to sleep at night!

Oct 16, 2022 - 6:04:31 PM
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6180 posts since 8/7/2009

Bravo! I think there is a lot of merit and benefit from playing with recordings made by other musicians - on different instruments.

I used to play along with banjo tunes that were posted by other players on BHO. I didn't do it for very long, but it was fun - and worth the effort.

But - I did that after learning the tune well enough to play it solo, from recordings of fiddlers playing what I liked to hear. Then I found out that a lot of what I learned doesn't always pair up with what they are playing. So - decision time - do I play their recorded version that is different - or????

Today - I pretty much learn tunes from playing along with recordings of other fiddlers exclusively. That is also my practice routine (FWIW).

But even that does not guarantee that what other will be playing at a session is going to be what I have learned. My experience is that it usually ends up being  about a 50/50 chance of being the same. If it is different -  I try to follow them when they start it. And I play my version "proud" when I start it. I have found that - most of the time - even when it is not exactly the same  - it works out fine. It's only the perfectionist / traditionalist that have a problem with that. 

But when you are playing tunes with yourself - do whatever makes the time you spend playing profitable and enjoyable. Life is short. If it doesn't work - do something else...

Oct 16, 2022 - 6:15:08 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

Thank you for your encouragement tonyelder, and I can already relate to what you are writing here and it has been on my mind lately because in two days I have a second meeting with the band I found.
My first jam experience was difficult, but I noticed some of what you are trying to say, and also: when I tried to play back up chords I noticed how you can make a rhythmic change, and it might get picked up by the others. Must mean I have been playing with more than excellent musicians hehe.

Oct 16, 2022 - 7:00:14 PM
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14127 posts since 9/23/2009

Nice playing, Anja...and I think it's great to find things to play along with...especially if you just don't have picking pals. One day you might find some good jams (or feel more at home in the jam you're in) and the practice will have paid off, besides just being fun.

As to playing quietly...somebody gave me a cheapie electric fiddle...I think it's a good idea for practice...mine plugs into a computer but I don't bother with that...still it's quiet and just the person with headphones really hears it...but what I've done with mine is sometimes hubby is watching sci fi (I can't stand sci fi...lol...), and I can sit and drink some coffee with him, grab that old cheapie electric plastic fiddle...not plugged in, just played acoustically, but with a metal mute...that way it's just barely audible, I can get a little practice in sitting right next to him without it disturbing his sci fi...we can drink coffee, chat, I just fiddle around on the cheapie thing very quietly and it's all good. Might not be a workable solution for quiet practice for everybody's situation, but just sayin' if you could get your hands on a cheapie plastic electric fiddle and put a metal mute on it or even plug it in and use headphones...might make it a quieter practice session so you don't disturb all those poor people who don't know the fun of fiddling the nights away...lol.

Oct 16, 2022 - 7:40:33 PM
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2870 posts since 10/22/2007

I used to take a fiddle everywhere. It kept me from buying another. Anyway, in hotel rooms, I'd snap clothes pins on either side of the bridge. Padding them a bit with tissue paper. Then I'd tape up the F holes with masking tape. DW said it was enough. Hard to tell as the player.

It amazes me today, how much content is out there for students. I can search on most any tune, and get the chords, key, lyrics, a karaoke version, you name it. Sometimes one can find tunes in several keys. 2003, I had to listen to eclectic radio stations. It helped me learn how to find the key quickly. Some tunes I couldn't do much more. But there was always another tune.

Edited by - farmerjones on 10/16/2022 19:41:51

Oct 16, 2022 - 8:42:09 PM
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Anja your progress is obvious and you can be proud of your determination. I would suggest that you start trying to add ornamentation to your playing in order to make your sound less robotic. Here's the WIKI page regarding this, focus on applying one technique at a time so as not to be overwhelmed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornament_(music)

Oct 17, 2022 - 2:17:01 AM
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2070 posts since 4/6/2014

I used to transcribe stuff from a recording... That doesn't make much noise. Especially using headphones. i used a neat little program called " Transcribe! " (including the exclamation mark) to do this. And Put the notes into "Musescore" or a similar free notation program.

By the time i have done this the tune is pretty much in my head and on my  LH fingers. i pluck the fiddle quietly, (over the finger board, not on the bowing part of the string), holding it like a mandolin to find the notes. Then i practice the bowing at another more convenient time. Maybe putting bowing marks into the notation if necessary.

Oct 17, 2022 - 5:56:58 AM
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2870 posts since 10/22/2007

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Originally posted by pete_fiddle

I used to transcribe stuff from a recording... That doesn't make much noise. Especially using headphones. i used a neat little program called " Transcribe! " (including the exclamation mark) to do this. And Put the notes into "Musescore" or a similar free notation program.


That sounded daunting. But the more I think about it, if I started with a template of 16 bars of A (quarter notes), so I could simply pull them north or south as needed. I might start this for jollies. Really could be valuable for building bass lines, aside from fiddle tunes. But on the other hand, one learns some good harmony lessons building bass lines for fiddle tunes too.

Oct 17, 2022 - 6:28:59 AM
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carlb

USA

2483 posts since 2/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by tonyelder

Bravo! I think there is a lot of merit and benefit from playing with recordings made by other musicians - on different instruments.

But even that does not guarantee that what other will be playing at a session is going to be what I have learned. My experience is that it usually ends up being  about a 50/50 chance of being the same. If it is different -  I try to follow them when they start it. And I play my version "proud" when I start it. I have found that - most of the time - even when it is not exactly the same  - it works out fine. It's only the perfectionist / traditionalist that have a problem with that. 

But when you are playing tunes with yourself - do whatever makes the time you spend playing profitable and enjoyable. Life is short. If it doesn't work - do something else...


I'm pretty much in agreement with Tony. When I learn a tune from a recording (whether my fiddle along with a fiddle or banjo recording, or on banjo along with a fiddle recording), I try to develop and play a setting so that it fits with the performance on the recording. That's not to say that what I play now (i.e. without the recording) is exactly the same. My setting evolves over time.

Second, when I'm playing with one person, I play so that it fits with what they're playing (and hope they do also; not always the case). This is my most satisfying musical experience. There are a few players,  that I've crossed paths with, that what each of us plays fits with the other right away. In a jam, I'll try and stay with the person who started the tune. When I start a tune, I'll back off my volume after about the  fifth time through and listen for what the group has arrived at.

Oct 17, 2022 - 7:25:16 AM
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83 posts since 12/26/2021

When I started playing again almost a year ago I bought a cheap Cecilio "silent violin". I bought a decent fiddle a couple months later when I decided I really want to do this. I have one of those beastly metal mutes, it feels wrong, sounds wrong, won't sit securely even after adjusting it as much as I can withouth destroying it. For those late night urges the Cecilio SV does the trick.

Oct 17, 2022 - 7:49:17 AM
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672 posts since 7/30/2021

I think Pete's idea about plucking quietly in middle of night ("pizz" or pizzicato, what we call it in classical) and saving bowing for the daytime, is a good one :-) You can still learn a tune and train your fingers that way! I often will quietly "pizz" with my fiddle in my lap when I'm learning a tune at our session, then begin to bow when I feel pretty confident that I've got the notes...

But whew, an electric violin with earplugs sounds like a lot of fun, too. :-) But maybe too exciting to play that in middle of night, no sleep then!

And yes, musicians who adjust their playing on the fly to respond and fit to eachother, are the best ones to play with! Your group is good, if they can do that. :-)

Oct 17, 2022 - 10:07:54 AM
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RichJ

USA

799 posts since 8/6/2013

Anja's OP seems about having to deal with keeping her fiddle muzzled during times she got the urge to just play something that's been buzzing around in her head and needs to get out in the open and played. I really have sympathy for her. A lot of fiddle learning comes from endlessly playing stuff over and over. Very likely this won't be pleasant for others to have to listen to, no matter what time of day. Through the years I recall doing this many times... endlessly scratching away on a tune or part of a tune for hours after waiting for my wife Amy to get out of the house for a few house. Living in your own house in the country is a real advantage for beginning or even moderately advanced fiddle players. I honestly don't know how I would deal with something like this if I had to live in an apartment with thin walls and crabby neighbors. I'm also not sure mutes, toy or electric fiddles are the solution. This stuff just isn't the same as hearing your own instrument sound off in it's own special volume and voice. I hate playing with a mute and don't like earphones either - both seem to destroy the whole mood of fiddlin'.

Oct 17, 2022 - 11:33:52 AM
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2070 posts since 4/6/2014

Compartmentalizing the different skills needed to play fiddle and then putting them back together again to play a tune has been my modus operandi for years now. (After getting the basics of the tune down in my head and on my fingers).

But at first i just "Played" without knowing, needing or wanting to know how i was doing that. A bit like playing a tune on the mouth organ as a 6 yr old..."Just play it". That has intrigued me forever how folk can do that..... And some do it extremely successfully and are some of the most natural sounding musicians i have heard.

Personally, to improve on a fiddle at an older age i need to analyze and practice the different aspects of musicianship, (specific and non specific to the fiddle) and practice them.

i have a foot in both camps. (intuitive and analytical) But personally i find the satisfaction of knowing what i am trying to do and the reasons i am trying to do it, outweigh just learning another tune and being frustrated that i cant quite get it how i want it to sound, or knowing what to practice to get it closer.

Transcribing from great players has helped me with that. And i find it rewarding and fun. And just recently i am finding that the different aspects are coming together to make my playing sound more intuitive than analitical. Ie: they are becoming part of the way i play...Hopefully

Oct 18, 2022 - 1:11:32 AM
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7 posts since 12/27/2016

I bought a Yamaha silent violin. It’s great for situations where you don’t want to disturb others. No mute needed, and it has a preamp so you can use ear buds if you want, or plug it to an amp.

Oct 18, 2022 - 9:18:37 PM

Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by crunchie812

When I started playing again almost a year ago I bought a cheap Cecilio "silent violin". I bought a decent fiddle a couple months later when I decided I really want to do this. I have one of those beastly metal mutes, it feels wrong, sounds wrong, won't sit securely even after adjusting it as much as I can withouth destroying it. For those late night urges the Cecilio SV does the trick.


Oh yes I want a silent violin, I  have placed a bid on a second handed one but no response here. I have hope to find one on an online market place.

Meanwhile I found some rest after yet another sleepless night. But this night I actually slept till 6am. Good for me!

Oct 18, 2022 - 9:22:05 PM

Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by NCnotes

I think Pete's idea about plucking quietly in middle of night ("pizz" or pizzicato, what we call it in classical) and saving bowing for the daytime, is a good one :-) You can still learn a tune and train your fingers that way! I often will quietly "pizz" with my fiddle in my lap when I'm learning a tune at our session, then begin to bow when I feel pretty confident that I've got the notes...

But whew, an electric violin with earplugs sounds like a lot of fun, too. :-) But maybe too exciting to play that in middle of night, no sleep then!

And yes, musicians who adjust their playing on the fly to respond and fit to eachother, are the best ones to play with! Your group is good, if they can do that. :-)


Yes my violin teacher taught me pizzicato! :D

That's not a bad idea at all and a cheaper solution than a silent violin.

Oct 19, 2022 - 6:11:01 AM
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14127 posts since 9/23/2009

There's a lot of potential solutions here, but nothing beats the feeling of getting to blast out your fiddling without worry. Still..sounds to me like you are determined and you will find a way. Kinda like an old quote I heard one time but i don't remember who said it or who they were talking about...but it was about some athlete and his access to gyms or gym equipment or something to that effect...anyway the quote was something like: if a person is determined to work out, they will get their work out from a phone booth if necessary. Ok, well...there's no phone booths left now...at least not here in the U.S., so I might be talking so archaic that it doesn't make sense, but the bottom line is really that anyone who is absolutely determined to do something will find a way, no matter what circumstances or obstacles they face. And I admire you, Anja, because I can always see your determination in your posts here...which tells me you are definitely on the right road with your fiddling. I know you will find a way and nothing will stop you.

Oct 19, 2022 - 6:44:15 PM
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6088 posts since 9/26/2008

Drift



There is a phone booth about 10 miles from my house in the tiny town of Kelly, IA. People travel there to take pictures of it. I think it's the last one in our state.

Oct 19, 2022 - 8:09:01 PM
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14127 posts since 9/23/2009

My grandson says he has never seen one.

Oct 21, 2022 - 10:19:44 AM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

So true that nothing beats the feeling of playing freely! And no worries, I'm 44 , I can understand your comparison, groundhogpeggy. I believe in our town there still is or was a phone booth next to a gas station, the question is does it still work. It was there till at least a year or so ago, haven't checked anymore.
And yes I am very determined, my latest discovery is Tommy Jarrell and to learn to interpret by heart is the ultimate goal here!
We had a very cool and fun next meeting with the band, this time there was also a very talented and experienced guitar player involved to make it even more complicated, but we all had fun.
This time I really pushed them to add the blackest crow as a slow tune, the moment the guitar player started to ask : hey, what about slow tunes , there was my chance hehe.

I still cannot believe I actually found my irl old time/bluegrass/folk friends. Oh yes I mentioned you guys here several times for I also still cannot believe all the help and encouragement I got.

You guys all rock <3

Oct 21, 2022 - 12:33:10 PM
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672 posts since 7/30/2021

Yay that you have found your "people" to play OT/bluegrass/folk over there in Belgium!

I love "The Blackest Crow", have you heard the version from the Transatlantic Sessions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6jh1vqNvMs - have watched/listened over and over, and admire the fiddling (Bruce Molsky) of course.

Edited by - NCnotes on 10/21/2022 12:34:10

Oct 21, 2022 - 12:39:33 PM

672 posts since 7/30/2021

re drift...

I'll miss the red "Dr.Who" phone booths. And where will Superman get changed?

Oct 21, 2022 - 1:39:05 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

527 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by NCnotes

Yay that you have found your "people" to play OT/bluegrass/folk over there in Belgium!

I love "The Blackest Crow", have you heard the version from the Transatlantic Sessions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6jh1vqNvMs - have watched/listened over and over, and admire the fiddling (Bruce Molsky) of course.


Oh yes, I can play with them a bit too, have tried it, have it recorded even ;-) not going to harass you with it hahahaha.

Right now I am discovering that Tommy Jarrell is the ideal example for me to learn to find the notes with my fingers based on what I hear.

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