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Sep 7, 2022 - 8:21:13 AM
30 posts since 6/20/2022

Hi! I'm just learning Bluegrass so I am trying to learn the Double Stops. I'm not a Music score reader. I'd like to memorize the chord shapes, so I'm looking for a simple diagram, probly like what a mandolin player would use. The G shapes, E minor shape, etc. Anyone know of a link, or should I run over to the Mandolin hangout?

Sep 7, 2022 - 8:44:13 AM
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DougD

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10865 posts since 12/2/2007

Check out this thread: fiddlehangout.com/topic/57040

A mandolin chord book will help, but in practice you can only play two strings at a time on a violin.

Sep 7, 2022 - 9:43:28 AM

RobBob

USA

2876 posts since 6/26/2007

Look for the book, A Fiddler's Guide to Moveable Shapes. It can be found here:

https://fiddlershop.com/products/a-fiddlers-guide-to-moveable-shapes-2nd-edition

Sep 7, 2022 - 9:50:26 AM

52 posts since 6/12/2015

If you google "pickloser's guide to doublestop" a free pdf will come up that was very helpful for me when I started playing mandolin.

Sep 7, 2022 - 11:17:06 AM

30 posts since 6/20/2022

Thanks for your links!
I think I'll just get a piece of paper & draw them. Generic shapes on a grid, like with guitar.
I grew up on guitar & banjo tab. Not music scores.

Sep 7, 2022 - 1:48:05 PM

2287 posts since 8/27/2008

It's pretty easy to type "mandolin chords" in a search engine, then select "images" for results. Find what you want to save or print.

Edited by - Brian Wood on 09/07/2022 13:48:26

Sep 7, 2022 - 3:07:55 PM

2816 posts since 10/22/2007

Mel Bay Publishing, Fiddle Chord Charts

Sep 7, 2022 - 3:21:57 PM

306 posts since 12/2/2013

This chart from an earlier post shows the six ways to play double-stops over any major chord ( just flat the 3rds for a minor chord.) The fingerboard diagram on the right using the interval numbers in the middle shows how to play the harmonized scale in all keys and modes in every key. Just like the rest of music theory, it's all simple math.


https://www.hangoutstorage.com/fiddlehangout.com/storage/attachments/fiddle-double-stop-t-213112982022.pdf

Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 09/07/2022 15:22:31

Sep 7, 2022 - 3:45 PM
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30 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

This chart from an earlier post shows the six ways to play double-stops over any major chord ( just flat the 3rds for a minor chord.) The fingerboard diagram on the right using the interval numbers in the middle shows how to play the harmonized scale in all keys and modes in every key. Just like the rest of music theory, it's all simple math.


https://www.hangoutstorage.com/fiddlehangout.com/storage/attachments/fiddle-double-stop-t-213112982022.pdf


THANK YOU. This is what I wanted. 

Sep 7, 2022 - 4:20:58 PM
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Swing

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Ya know, if you learn what notes make a chord, then it is fairly easy to pick two of the three notes and make the double stop on the fiddle...knowing the three notes gives you the opportunity to create an easy chord inversion... no diagrams needed...

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Swing

Sep 7, 2022 - 4:29:43 PM

30 posts since 6/20/2022

quote:
Originally posted by Swing

Ya know, if you learn what notes make a chord, then it is fairly easy to pick two of the three notes and make the double stop on the fiddle...knowing the three notes gives you the opportunity to create an easy chord inversion... no diagrams needed...

Play Happy

Swing


I know chords on pianos & guitars, and I have learned to play tunes on the fiddle, but chords on fiddle is a whole new thing.That is to say, I know easy stuff like G and C. Well I went to a jam where they wer e playing in B and F... :0

Sep 7, 2022 - 7:16:36 PM
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2389 posts since 8/23/2008

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Originally posted by woodswalker


I think I'll just get a piece of paper & draw them. 


Here's the diagrams I drew, which shows the possible double-stop shapes, but like Swing said you may need to understand basic chord structure...

EDIT: I forgot to correct the Dim4th mistake, it's actually a Dim5th, but the shape is important..... 


 

Edited by - buckhenry on 09/07/2022 19:21:49

Sep 7, 2022 - 7:28:01 PM

30 posts since 6/20/2022

Great job!! I've downloaded this. I understand basics like 5ths, Root, Octave. I used to play bass & could visualize the bass chord structures. Now it's just a matter of me internalizing Fiddle structures. Thanks!

Sep 8, 2022 - 5:41:30 AM
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Earworm

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398 posts since 1/30/2018

And grab that 4th finger unison now and then - like when you have an open A (or any string) at the end of a phrase, or other select moments, slide your pinky finger up to the the unison A on the D string. It's subtle, but can add a sweet little "bite."

Sep 8, 2022 - 5:53:09 AM

30 posts since 6/20/2022

physically I haven't been able to get that 4th finger to obey like I wish I could. Also, moving up the fingerboard there are a lot of sour notes. I suppose it just takes more practice?

Edited by - woodswalker on 09/08/2022 05:53:58

Sep 8, 2022 - 5:56:43 AM
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Swing

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Yep, sour notes take a lot of practice!

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Swing

Sep 9, 2022 - 5:25:33 AM
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Earworm

USA

398 posts since 1/30/2018

Well, regarding the 4th finger unison - this is a learned skill. Yes, it will take practice. Yes, you can do it. :)

Sep 9, 2022 - 6:24:34 AM

30 posts since 6/20/2022

My 4th finger is lazy & useless. When I try to engage it, the first finger jumps up in the air. I guess it's cause I can't stretch that far.

Sep 9, 2022 - 12:22:25 PM

2127 posts since 12/11/2008

Keeping your left fingers straight but comfortable, gently stretch your left finger pinkie away from the left ring finger every every day for a week or so. Use the index and middle finger from the other hand to do the stretching. Before long, you'll get there.

Sep 11, 2022 - 10:46:55 AM
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Earworm

USA

398 posts since 1/30/2018

For a long time I had "one tune" that I would use the 4th finger unison for. I learned to use it there, but somehow still thought it was a "neat trick" for that one tune. So maybe that's one way "in" to beginning to get comfortable with it. Some tunes just demand something special, so you try a little harder to jump the hurdle, and eventually it gets more comfortable.

Edited by - Earworm on 09/11/2022 10:57:09

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