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Feb 28, 2022 - 7:57:01 AM
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RichJ

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734 posts since 8/6/2013

Well Maxie the kitten has selected Cricket on the Hearth for our next VFF fiddle tune. I'll have to say I'm not too familiar with this tune and will take a day or so for me to get under my fingers. In checking out the OTJ site where Groundhogpeggy and I select tunes for VFF I notice there's only guitar or guitar/banjo accompaniment for this tune so it may be hard to pick out the melody. There are plenty of others out there on Youtube, but I thought this one was a good place to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxLUCBGIbA
 


Feb 28, 2022 - 9:26:41 AM

13668 posts since 9/23/2009

Hurray for Maxie's pick for the month! Ok, Cricket on the hearth. It's too bad OTJ doesn't seem to have a fiddle version of this up on their jam site, but as Rich says, there are plenty of youtubes. The one he linked is a great version for those of us, including me...lol...who have never played this tune or heard it much. Thanks for including that for us, Rich. Also...this could be a really fun tune because it seems there are lots of folks out there in the youtube universe including some attempt at Cricket sounds in the...I forget now but I think it was in the B part. That whole idea appeals to me personally...lol...so I might go for trying to crank out some cricket chirps from my fiddle, if at all possible. Ok guys...it's gonna be a fun one!

Feb 28, 2022 - 9:58:53 AM
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Just in case anybody wants to get into the sound effects on this Cricket tune...here's a violin sound effect video...crickets are at 0:31. I wish I woulda found this guy before I played Old Bell Cow and Flop-Eared Mule on my channel...lol.

youtu.be/Rfy28X9wdxg

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 02/28/2022 10:00:19

Feb 28, 2022 - 11:51:34 AM
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DougD

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The problem with trying to slow down a breakdown for students is that you end up with a lot of empty space and its tempting to fill it with extra notes or by altering the melody. Or maybe Cecil just knows a different version of this tune.
I'd suggest this version by Walt and Clare as a better model. If its too fast you can always slow it down. youtu.be/-bepDi1-fgM
There is also a good version on YouTube by Benton Flippen and an elegant one by Kenny Baker.

Feb 28, 2022 - 1:44:53 PM

RichJ

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734 posts since 8/6/2013

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

The problem with trying to slow down a breakdown for students is that you end up with a lot of empty space and its tempting to fill it with extra notes or by altering the melody. Or maybe Cecil just knows a different version of this tune.
I'd suggest this version by Walt and Clare as a better model. If its too fast you can always slow it down. youtu.be/-bepDi1-fgM
There is also a good version on YouTube by Benton Flippen and an elegant one by Kenny Baker.


Thanks Doug, I actually like that one better but thought it a bit on the fast and notey side to learn from. Cats picking tunes at random sometime create problem for a fiddler or two. lol  Can't wait to hear Peggy's version. I hear she's looking to put some cricket sound effects in her version

Edited by - RichJ on 02/28/2022 13:46:30

Feb 28, 2022 - 2:11:47 PM
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This is a real-life cat and the fiddle scenario...Maxie says we can do this! I'm never crazy about notey tunes...lol...I usually first try to figure out the whole point of the melodic contour, at least as it strikes me at that moment in time (always reserve the right to change my mind later), then wipe out a few of those notes that seem excess to me...lol...ok I know I'm being too bold in saying that, but hey, it's just me. Wipe out a few of them doggone notes, maybe try and get a few cricket sounds in there somewhere, and play that sucker my own way, you know, how Maxie would do it if he was allowed to mess with a fiddle on his own. So...not sure when I'll get enough time and mental composure to have a look at this one with a fiddle in my paws, but hopefully soon...then I'll see what kind of ways I can claw it up to make it my own...lol.

Feb 28, 2022 - 3:19:30 PM
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519 posts since 7/30/2021

Maxie is so beautiful! Also did a nice job of picking!

Here's first YT video I found of this tune? 

https://youtu.be/3NpQilSO2FU

Edited by - NCnotes on 02/28/2022 15:21:59

Feb 28, 2022 - 4:50:13 PM
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To me, Cricket on the Hearth, at least some variations of it, seem reminiscent of New Five Cent Piece. I think if you take out a few of the notes of COTH, you have something very similar to NFCP...minus the cricket chirps...should put coins dropping sounds on the other, maybe...lol.

I guess we should all find it interesting that the fascination with crickets bringing good luck comes from the old country, British Isles, and even older countries...Asian areas, etc. Well but anyway, then there is this...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cric...he_Hearth

So...I still hope to start practicing very soon on this tune...for now...had to turn the news off...it's hugely disturbing in every possible way. I hope at least if we all play cricket on the hearth we can bring about some good luck contagious enough to drift around the world.

But for now...I'm gonna make us some tea and try to take in a little Andy Griffith and see if we can get lucky enough to relax a little bit. One of our little doggies loves Barney, by the way. She loves to watch TV...the other doggie can't seem to see it...but she watches and she perks up whenever Barney is on there...lol...or the Daisy cottage cheese commercial...she loves that for some reason. I was wondering if, since she's a rescue and we have no idea about much of her history...wondering if she ever ate cottage cheese and wanted some. We never eat that stuff...so anyway, I bought her some Daisy cottage cheese, given how she loves the commercials...well she hated it...the other little dog hates it too...so...we had to find ways to use that cottage cheese up ourselves...lol...I have no idea what to do with it...we've just never eaten it. I love sour cream, but not cottage cheese.

I fear I'm rambling here...the Dickens you say...time for me to make some tea...where are all the crickets???

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 02/28/2022 16:51:40

Feb 28, 2022 - 7:56:03 PM
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Hey guys, I had the time tonight to have a look at the jam tracks on OTJ for Cricket on the Hearth...wow...the regular guitar track seems crazy fast to me...or am I just that slow? Lol...and the slow guitar jam track seems just kinda fast...probably still faster than I personally like to play...so anyhow, in case there are any other slow pokes out there such as myself...I did find this play along youtube that's slow-paced and not too notey, somebody made for cricket on the hearth which I will share in case it helps anybody learn it or practice it... youtu.be/Yb6qK4vzaGQ

I will probably make my own jam track when I get to this, hopefully within the next couple of days since as of tomorrow our Virtual Fiddle Festival clock will be ticking...kinda busy around here but I think I can get to it within the next few days. Not sure how slow mine will be...lol...but I usually opt for a pretty slow speed on these things.

Alright...so in about another hour, we are officially March 1st. Goodbye February and Hello March...and hello Cricket on the Hearth.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 02/28/2022 20:01:26

Feb 28, 2022 - 10:02:52 PM
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5947 posts since 9/26/2008

Thought I would get in early this month.

Originally posted on the Banjo Hangout Tune of the Week a few weeks ago. Paul Perkins on the 5 string banjo. 


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Mar 1, 2022 - 2:03:14 AM
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RichJ

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734 posts since 8/6/2013

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

...I did find this play along youtube that's slow-paced and not too notey, somebody made for cricket on the hearth which I will share in case it helps anybody learn it or practice it... youtu.be/Yb6qK4vzaGQ

Nice rendition and tempo on that version Peggy. I notice the person who posted it had a lot to say on similarity of the tune with a bunch of others - "Damon's Winder," (oh-oh another "winder" tune),  "Devil in Georgia (2) (The)," "Drunken Billy Goat," "Grand Hornpipe (1)," "Marmaduke's Hornpipe," "Mud Fence," (JP Fraley has a nice version of this one),  "Ride the Goat Over the Mountains," "Rocky Mountain Goat," and "Swiss Chalet."

I Found a version of Damon's Winder on YT - Boy, that sure sounds like COTH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR_YOAdE_d4

Edited by - RichJ on 03/01/2022 02:08:32

Mar 1, 2022 - 4:31:05 AM
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Great job, Chickenman! Sounds good...I like the way you play it. Sounds like to me the tempo is somewhere between the "slow jam" lol and the "regular speed" on OTJ. That sounds like a good pace.
Congrats for being the very first participant for the month of March...Yay...and nice fiddling!

Rich, thanks for that version of...forget which name it was now...lol...on the youtube you linked...it's very similar for sure...change in the B part there is the only thing that seems to take a detour from the original. I think his pace is about the same as Chickenman's...somewhere between what old time jam has as slow and regular. Faster than slow but slower than regular, I mean according to OTJ's figurin'.

So, well to me the tempo is of course all up to what the individual is comfortable with and of course what a person just likes. It's kind of amazing to me that OTJ prefers this thing at lightning speed...usually their slow jam is a good place to begin and then you can move on up to regular if you choose to from there...seems to me on this tune they are off to the races...lol...maybe it's just me though...ok if you can do that and wanna do that...but remember it's also ok to pick your own speed...go for it guys!

Thanks again, Chickenman, for getting us off to a great start!  I thought yours was one of the best versions I've come across looking at this tune.  Let's go...play that tune!

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 03/01/2022 04:34:41

Mar 1, 2022 - 5:21:22 AM
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DougD

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Richj - That person was just quoting from the Fiddler's Companion/TTA. He really had nothing to say, except that he knew how to cut and paste. Pretty common these days of course.
Peggy, I don't usually agree with you on tempos, but I just checked the OTJ site and the "regular" backup seems too fast to me too. The slow one is more like it. Actually Walt and Clare's tempo is about what I'm used to - not surprising since I played with Walt for many years.

Edited by - DougD on 03/01/2022 05:30:04

Mar 1, 2022 - 5:27:55 AM
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nickmc

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130 posts since 5/31/2021

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

Thought I would get in early this month.

Originally posted on the Banjo Hangout Tune of the Week a few weeks ago. Paul Perkins on the 5 string banjo. 


Awesome fiddling and banjer picking!!

Mar 1, 2022 - 6:17:20 AM
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Thank you all for sharing some awesome songs (and sounds). I sent the clips to my sons who all played violin during their school years. I am currently learning Ookpik Waltz and Fiddlerdi here on the hangouts has the best sounds so far.

This is my first comment in the hangouts. Hoping to become a little more active as I progress with my music. (I am classically trained turned fiddler).

PammieJ

Mar 1, 2022 - 8:30:17 AM

13668 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks for joining in the discussion, Pamela! Hope you will play us a tune here...hope you will even play Cricket on the Hearth with/for us here! Glad to see you here!

Doug...well I think you've played with about everybody out there...lol. Yeah, I'm wondering what our old time jam buddies were drinkin' the day they recorded this one...lol.

Mar 1, 2022 - 10:08:46 AM
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Sounds great, Billy!! I like your version!

I have a feeling I'm going to get stuck on those doublestops...

Mar 1, 2022 - 12:55:28 PM
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nickmc

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130 posts since 5/31/2021

Well here goes mine. I listened to a few versions on youtube and kinda made my own. I could play it all week and it wont be much better than what I got so here it is. It is a very fun tune!! Thank you for another fun challenge!

youtu.be/EIDxtSEkzVA


Mar 1, 2022 - 1:26:44 PM
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DougD

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NCnotes - That YouTube you posted by Matt Brown is a nice easygoing version. I think if you compare it to the ones from Benton Flippen, Kenny Baker and Walt and Clare you'll find they're all pretty similar. This tune has a fairly "notey" A part, and then a kind of generic B part with a place for improvisation or tricks like cricket sounds. If there's a second instrument they frequently take a break, like the banjo in that video. Or even a dancer.
We're very fortunate to have this extremely rare footage of an early recording of this tune: bluegrasstoday.com/cricket-on-...lonesome/
You can see the banjoist stand up to take his turn, to make sure the recording horn picks him up.

Mar 1, 2022 - 4:30:59 PM

5947 posts since 9/26/2008

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Mar 2, 2022 - 4:26:14 AM
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Nick...the most unique one I've come across...you took it into an interesting direction! Nice fiddling! Thanks for jumping in here early. You and Chickenman are leading the pack.

Doug, I started watching the video but didn't hear any sound and running out of time...we've got stuff going on and gotta hurry. I'll come back and look again later...I did see a familiar looking stove...we have one like that now sitting alone in the shed...my great grandmother's stove...somehow it was one of the few things I managed to rescue from the farm...her pot bellied stove (hers looks like the one in the movie, but quite a bit smaller) and her coffee grinder. Well but anyway, the point here is I ddin't see it all and wondered if there was ever sound...I'll look later.

I'm hoping to get time to try this tune by Friday ...my usual music day where I try to set aside 4 hours or so for music...other than that, I have listened to a lot of youtubes on this one, since there's no fiddle part on OTJ...and when I try to think it in my head while I'm doing other stuff...which is how I mainly practice...just thinking a tune in my head...anyway, it always morphs inside my head to New Five Cent Piece...lol...once I catch myself, I realize I'm still lost and don't have a grip on what COTH actually sounds like on its own, minus the NFCP I keep going into in my brain. lol...anyway...cool that we are starting early with this one and I'm gonna try to get something going with this by Friday, unless I get lucky and get some time to fiddle around with it before then. I'm gonna make my own jam track, of course, since the Presonus is here...I might put that up on youtube separately in case any slow pokes such as I am would find it helpful, self included of course.

Keep fiddling, guys...we'll get 'er done! Thanks for the participation so far. Fun to hear what y'all do with it.

Mar 2, 2022 - 6:00:22 AM
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DougD

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Peggy, its a silent film, untill they record the tune. Movies didn't have sound in 1921.
BTW, "NFCP," at least the way Paul Warren played it, sounds a lot like "Robinson County." Different tune though.

Mar 2, 2022 - 6:12:21 AM
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nickmc

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130 posts since 5/31/2021

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Originally posted by DougD

Peggy, its a silent film, untill they record the tune. Movies didn't have sound in 1921.
BTW, "NFCP," at least the way Paul Warren played it, sounds a lot like "Robinson County." Different tune though.


Andy Cartoun did a great job on that video. My favorite part was the printed off sheet that said the recordings were being done on Feb 31st!

Mar 2, 2022 - 6:16:20 AM
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nickmc

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Nick...the most unique one I've come across...you took it into an interesting direction! Nice fiddling! Thanks for jumping in here early. You and Chickenman are leading the pack.

Doug, I started watching the video but didn't hear any sound and running out of time...we've got stuff going on and gotta hurry. I'll come back and look again later...I did see a familiar looking stove...we have one like that now sitting alone in the shed...my great grandmother's stove...somehow it was one of the few things I managed to rescue from the farm...her pot bellied stove (hers looks like the one in the movie, but quite a bit smaller) and her coffee grinder. Well but anyway, the point here is I ddin't see it all and wondered if there was ever sound...I'll look later.

I'm hoping to get time to try this tune by Friday ...my usual music day where I try to set aside 4 hours or so for music...other than that, I have listened to a lot of youtubes on this one, since there's no fiddle part on OTJ...and when I try to think it in my head while I'm doing other stuff...which is how I mainly practice...just thinking a tune in my head...anyway, it always morphs inside my head to New Five Cent Piece...lol...once I catch myself, I realize I'm still lost and don't have a grip on what COTH actually sounds like on its own, minus the NFCP I keep going into in my brain. lol...anyway...cool that we are starting early with this one and I'm gonna try to get something going with this by Friday, unless I get lucky and get some time to fiddle around with it before then. I'm gonna make my own jam track, of course, since the Presonus is here...I might put that up on youtube separately in case any slow pokes such as I am would find it helpful, self included of course.

Keep fiddling, guys...we'll get 'er done! Thanks for the participation so far. Fun to hear what y'all do with it.


Thank you for listening! Chickenman set the bar high! I love listening to everyone and cannot wait to hear more!

Mar 2, 2022 - 7:06:31 AM
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Oops...I guess I gave up too fast on that silent video...lol...what was I thinking? Well I'm in a rush...always these days it seems...there is so much going on and I just can't keep up...we're sort of in a frenzy to figure a lot of problems out and see how stuff turns out...but anyway...

Yes, Chickenman done went and set the bar very high...lol...he's just good...great inspiration!

Well I was feeling guilty about not getting even a hint of how this tune goes...not being able to think it through inside my mind without morphing into New Five Cent Piece...so I dropped everything and ran downstairs to try to play it along with the slow jam on Old Time Jam...I'm so camera shy this is always very difficult and awkward for me to do...lol...but how does one get over that? It's only gotten worse for me in recent years. But so anyhow, I put the fiddle in ADAE and tried my best to fumble through with Cricket on the Hearth type notes all the way through...and seemed like I thought at the end to throw in cricket chirps but ends up sounds more like I was murdering both the cricket and the fiddle at the same time...anyway...I felt guitly for being slow to get in on this...here's my horrifying thing and I do plan to learn it better and make a better version on my presonus recording studio as soon as I can get to that. Life is just unbelievable...bad stress levels for us now and just seeing what-all is going on in the world ain't helpin' my chronic headache I've had for a couple of weeks now. But here's what I tried to do...the dogs came in the room with me and left right away when they saw my mood...lol...here's what I came up with to start out... gotta a lot to learn youtu.be/og7xKmHxfcw

Mar 2, 2022 - 7:49:38 AM
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That sounded great to me, as if you've been playing the tune for a long time :)  Chirping crickets a bonus (I need to go back and look at the how-to video you shared).

Edited by - christym on 03/02/2022 07:51:06

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