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Feb 3, 2022 - 12:56:39 PM
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9 posts since 2/3/2022

Hello!

I'm new to this forum and just started learning the fiddle.

Does anyone know if sheetmusicdirect.com and musicnotes.com are safe and legit websites to purchase sheet music from? (I'm looking for the tabs for 'I saw the light's by Hank Williams)

Thanks in advance!

Feb 3, 2022 - 1:09:57 PM
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Snafu

USA

139 posts since 2/2/2014

Can you or are you beginning to learn to read standard notation? Strongly recommended if you are just starting out.

TAB and the fiddle don’t really play nicely together. No frets to assign numbers to. The fingers to use are sometimes numbered 1,2,3 or 4 above the notes for/by beginners instead of the positions.

Maybe you are coming from a mandolin background where this tab technique might work?

Feb 3, 2022 - 2:27:27 PM
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wilford

USA

309 posts since 6/26/2007

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Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

Hello!

I'm new to this forum and just started learning the fiddle.

Does anyone know if sheetmusicdirect.com and musicnotes.com are safe and legit websites to purchase sheet music from? (I'm looking for the tabs for 'I saw the light's by Hank Williams)

Thanks in advance!


I just checked out both websites you've suggested and, forgive me if I'm mistaken,  I can truthfully say that neither site has anything even close to a good "tab" system. 

I see no one has tabbed that tune here on this site. I'd like to suggest perhaps stopping by BluegrassDaddy.com and just check the website out. He's posted a lot of tabs. There may be other tab systems online, too. Best of luck to you. Have a great day. :)

Edited by - wilford on 02/03/2022 14:31:02

Feb 3, 2022 - 2:33:49 PM
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@snafu thanks for your reply!
I am slowly learning how to read notes; the teacher I started off with (I don't live near her unfortunately) put temporary tape to create frets for me to learn finger placements (1, 2, 3,) so I can know which numbers correlate with the notes. She gave me a book called 'Strictly Strings' and it starts off with the letters/numbers and then progresses to the notes without the letters on them. I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.
I'd like to purchase sheet music for the song, so that's why I wanted to know if the websites are legit.
(And no, I don't play the mandolin, but I've learned some guitar, haha)

Feb 3, 2022 - 2:38:43 PM

9 posts since 2/3/2022

@wilford Oh, I see. Thank you so much! Do you know if those websites are legitimate ones?

Feb 3, 2022 - 2:42:07 PM
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wilford

USA

309 posts since 6/26/2007

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Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

@wilford Oh, I see. Thank you so much! Do you know if those websites are legitimate ones?


They're more than likely legit for written music notes but I don't think they have good tablature systems at all and especially for fiddle (an instrument without frets).

Feb 3, 2022 - 3:34:30 PM
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Snafu

USA

139 posts since 2/2/2014

Diddle, yea they are legit. Another is sheet musicplus.com. Amazon also sells sheet music.
Since you started down the righteous angelpath using a teacher and a method book my advice is don’t deviate into tab. It's not easier and almost every fiddle player who doesn't read notation eventually wishes they did.  

What type of music are you interested in playing? Old time, Irish and some bluegrass are readily available as downloads.  Many web sites for that.  

Feb 3, 2022 - 6:20:49 PM
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287 posts since 12/2/2013

Developing a musical ear will serve you best, study on this.

 

https://www.bethsnotesplus.com/2012/02/pentatonic-songs.html

Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 02/03/2022 18:21:09

Feb 4, 2022 - 7:01:45 AM
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Earworm

USA

334 posts since 1/30/2018

quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.


Learning tunes by ear is time honored, and for fiddling is actually more reliable than expecting sheet music or tabs to give you all the information you need. I learned instruments with standard notation in the past (piano, clarinet, even voice to some extent), but I've never read standard notation for fiddle and never needed to so far. That's not to say there's not something to be gained by it, but you can learn to trust your ear, and get more information that way (including the spirit of the thing) than notation alone. There is no shortage of material either.

Feb 7, 2022 - 10:20:03 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

377 posts since 1/16/2021
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quote:
Originally posted by Earworm
quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.


Learning tunes by ear is time honored, and for fiddling is actually more reliable than expecting sheet music or tabs to give you all the information you need. I learned instruments with standard notation in the past (piano, clarinet, even voice to some extent), but I've never read standard notation for fiddle and never needed to so far. That's not to say there's not something to be gained by it, but you can learn to trust your ear, and get more information that way (including the spirit of the thing) than notation alone. There is no shortage of material either.


 

I guess I must agree with you, I learned the trumpet with standard notation and although during the first year of picking up the violin I HAD to start off with sheet music during classes, my violin teacher came quickly to the conclusion that I respond far better when playing by ear than when I have to focus on these dots. What it feels like: something very spontaneous is completely suppressed when you are playing and at the same time stare at the sheet music. It just is not the way for learning fiddle tunes I guess, and also you never can read the richness you can hear on the sheet itself, even not when variations and grace notes and bow movement are included in the sheet music.

But, for what it's worth: it's sometimes a nice extra skill to have, when you want to zoom in a bit on what you couldn't hear very well.

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Mar 10, 2022 - 9:10:09 AM

9 posts since 2/3/2022

quote:
Originally posted by wilford
quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

Hello!

I'm new to this forum and just started learning the fiddle.

Does anyone know if sheetmusicdirect.com and musicnotes.com are safe and legit websites to purchase sheet music from? (I'm looking for the tabs for 'I saw the light's by Hank Williams)

Thanks in advance!


I just checked out both websites you've suggested and, forgive me if I'm mistaken,  I can truthfully say that neither site has anything even close to a good "tab" system. 

I see no one has tabbed that tune here on this site. I'd like to suggest perhaps stopping by BluegrassDaddy.com and just check the website out. He's posted a lot of tabs. There may be other tab systems online, too. Best of luck to you. Have a great day. :)


Ohh, I see. I'll check out the website. Thank you so much for your help and information! Have a nice day as well!

(Sorry, I don't know if I'm replying correctly, I'm still trying to figure out the format of the website). 

Mar 10, 2022 - 9:22:28 AM

9 posts since 2/3/2022

quote:
Originally posted by Snafu

Diddle, yea they are legit. Another is sheet musicplus.com. Amazon also sells sheet music.
Since you started down the righteous angelpath using a teacher and a method book my advice is don’t deviate into tab. It's not easier and almost every fiddle player who doesn't read notation eventually wishes they did.  

What type of music are you interested in playing? Old time, Irish and some bluegrass are readily available as downloads.  Many web sites for that.  


I'll write that website down, thank you.

Haha, okay. I'll work on progressing with notation then. I'll need to learn patience because I just want to jump into learning a song, but I don't know all the notes yet :'D

Pretty much those three genres that you listed, and country music in general, anywhere from Hank Williams to George Strait, to some of the newer guys like 'the Panhandlers' and Tyler Childers (but not that "country" pop though...). I'd also love to learn Christian hymns and worship songs. 

(I don't know if I'm replying correctly, sorry)

Edited by - Diddle and the fiddle on 03/10/2022 09:27:22

Mar 10, 2022 - 9:26:33 AM
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Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Developing a musical ear will serve you best, study on this.

 

https://www.bethsnotesplus.com/2012/02/pentatonic-songs.html


Thank you, will do! I like how the website has information about the songs as well :D

Edited by - Diddle and the fiddle on 03/10/2022 09:26:52

Mar 10, 2022 - 9:33:38 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Earworm
quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.


Learning tunes by ear is time honored, and for fiddling is actually more reliable than expecting sheet music or tabs to give you all the information you need. I learned instruments with standard notation in the past (piano, clarinet, even voice to some extent), but I've never read standard notation for fiddle and never needed to so far. That's not to say there's not something to be gained by it, but you can learn to trust your ear, and get more information that way (including the spirit of the thing) than notation alone. There is no shortage of material either.


Oh, that's very interesting- and a good point. I haven't been playing long at all, but I've recognized when I'm off on a note of a couple of songs, simply because I'm fond of and so familiar with them (like, "I saw the Light" and "Jesus Loves Me." ).

Thank you for your input! 

 

(Sorry if I'm not replying correctly)

Mar 10, 2022 - 10:03:36 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Quincy
quote:
Originally posted by Earworm
quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.


Learning tunes by ear is time honored, and for fiddling is actually more reliable than expecting sheet music or tabs to give you all the information you need. I learned instruments with standard notation in the past (piano, clarinet, even voice to some extent), but I've never read standard notation for fiddle and never needed to so far. That's not to say there's not something to be gained by it, but you can learn to trust your ear, and get more information that way (including the spirit of the thing) than notation alone. There is no shortage of material either.


 

I guess I must agree with you, I learned the trumpet with standard notation and although during the first year of picking up the violin I HAD to start off with sheet music during classes, my violin teacher came quickly to the conclusion that I respond far better when playing by ear than when I have to focus on these dots. What it feels like: something very spontaneous is completely suppressed when you are playing and at the same time stare at the sheet music. It just is not the way for learning fiddle tunes I guess, and also you never can read the richness you can hear on the sheet itself, even not when variations and grace notes and bow movement are included in the sheet music.

But, for what it's worth: it's sometimes a nice extra skill to have, when you want to zoom in a bit on what you couldn't hear very well.


That's pretty cool :D  And a neat perspective. I suppose for some people notation for classical music is a must for orchestras and such in violin style, but since I was little I've always wanted to learn the fiddle and play (mostly) country, and I imagined myself learning by watching and listening to someone; it just never occurred to me that I'd be learning sheet music, which I found is nice, too, haha. After reading everyone's helpful input here, I'll definitely continue to work on both notation and playing by ear when the different needs arise :D

Thank you so much! 

Mar 10, 2022 - 2:27:17 PM
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boxbow

USA

2720 posts since 2/3/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle
quote:
Originally posted by Earworm
quote:
Originally posted by Diddle and the fiddle

I've learned part of 'I saw the light' by using tabs from a YT video and recognizing notes by ear and wanted to continue that while simultaneously learning how to read notes.


Learning tunes by ear is time honored, and for fiddling is actually more reliable than expecting sheet music or tabs to give you all the information you need. I learned instruments with standard notation in the past (piano, clarinet, even voice to some extent), but I've never read standard notation for fiddle and never needed to so far. That's not to say there's not something to be gained by it, but you can learn to trust your ear, and get more information that way (including the spirit of the thing) than notation alone. There is no shortage of material either.


Oh, that's very interesting- and a good point. I haven't been playing long at all, but I've recognized when I'm off on a note of a couple of songs, simply because I'm fond of and so familiar with them (like, "I saw the Light" and "Jesus Loves Me." ).

Thank you for your input! 

 

(Sorry if I'm not replying correctly)


I believe in having both skill sets.  I read sheet music (I, personally, far prefer sheet music to other forms of tablature) but I play mostly by ear.  In jams I may refer to the notes to refresh my memory.  I'm always trying to reduce my dependence on sheet music to where it's no more than a quick cue.  Even as a kid playing cello in an orchestra and also learning piano I think I was doing much the same thing.  Knowing the tune is more than just having the notes, as otherwise mentioned.  Often I'll transcribe a tune from a recording as part of the learning process.  My goal is to catch a playable version of the tune.  Any improvement that follows is dependent on the woodshedding and stays off the page.

One of the things I figured out early was that hymns, carols and nursery rhymes are great for ear training.  The tune is already hard wired into your brain.  All you have to do is get the fiddle to go along with it.

Mar 10, 2022 - 2:56:38 PM
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i think with fiddle as opposed to classical violin, the dots are just a sketch of the tune. The rest has to be filled in by ear, musical knowledge and experience, as the tune developes into a personal version. Well that's how it seems to work with me anyway.indecision

Mar 10, 2022 - 3:02:43 PM

wilford

USA

309 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by pete_fiddle

i think with fiddle as opposed to classical violin, the dots are just a sketch of the tune. The rest has to be filled in by ear, musical knowledge and experience, as the tune developes into a personal version. Well that's how it seems to work with me anyway.indecision


That's a great way of saying it, Pete. :)

Mar 10, 2022 - 3:09:08 PM
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408 posts since 7/30/2021

Hey Diddle Fiddle (sorry I couldn't resist)!

I've bought stuff from sheetmusicdirect.com and musicnotes.com before but the quality is somewhat...variable. There are some arrangements that are quite good, and some that sounded a little...strange? I think if you could find the music you want on there, it would not hurt to get it, but be prepared for needing to "improve" it a bit to your taste.

I read dots (grew up "violining") but my favorite way to learn fiddle tunes is to find a YouTube or sound track of it, slow it down to like 50% or 75% and then copy it phrase by phrase like "You play it!" and then "I play it!" And after I memorize a phrase (usually takes many repeats then I'll let myself go on to the next phrase. Somehow the sheet music never captures the charm/beat/strong and light notes/swing of folk tunes...

Mar 10, 2022 - 4:25:46 PM

5848 posts since 9/26/2008

You are indeed responding correctly laugh

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