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Jan 31, 2022 - 4:53:32 PM
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13306 posts since 9/23/2009

It's our first Virtual Fiddle Festival tune! Watch as Bob the Climber mysteriously picks our random tune from the Old Time Jam collection of tunes. I'll remind you that at https://www.oldtimejam.com/ you can find this tune in the D tunes. You can listen to their examples with fiddle and / or banjo, plus they have both a slow and faster speed of jam track you can use to play along with if you want. However you want, feel free, invited, and welcome to play the tune (either on fiddle or any other instrument), link a favorite player of the tune, talk about the tune, listen to the tune, whatever you want...if you have a way to record an mp3 or video, please share and join in the fun. We have the entire month of February to wrangle with this tune. I hope to try to record/ play the tune, maybe tomorrow if time allows, with the oldtimejam track. Then I hope if I get time later in the month to record with a jam track of my own. Bob seems to have landed on an easy tune for us to start with. Here's the tune...Enjoy!  

youtu.be/aNcuRvm0mQE

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 01/31/2022 16:58:07

Jan 31, 2022 - 5:04:13 PM
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2557 posts since 10/6/2008

Okay, that was fun! :)

Feb 1, 2022 - 6:35:53 AM
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Well I've never played this one before, but seems pretty easy for our first tune. In the key of D. I went down to the frozen tundra room where I record and tried going through it this morning and trying to just get a feel for the tune. I noticed the B part at OTJ is shorter than what I've heard other people do on youtubes...in my mind, shorter is probably older version...longer is probably newer versions...I don't know. Anybody that DOES know is invited to jump and and tell us about that difference in the B part. Once I get the feel for the tune, and if I get the time, I'd like to record something on my multi track system using viola and backup instruments and see what happens with that...still unsure if I want the short B part, as OTJ does it, or the extended B part, as everybody else seems to do it. Gonna have to think about what I like best on that.

Anyhow, thought I'd try to be first in the long line of critters banging at the Virtual Fiddle Festival door wanting in to have their chance to play this tune...yay...I made it. So here's my runthrough, just to see what I feel about this tune. Kinda fits my mood this morning too...so...great tune. Come on in guys...the water's freezing!!!

youtu.be/bESRfJRPrHE

Feb 1, 2022 - 7:24:24 AM

13306 posts since 9/23/2009

Anyway, a few more thoughts on this tune. When I hear the word, "Winder," I think of snakes. Can't help but wonder how this tune got its name..."Slide" sounds dancy, though the tune as I've heard it seems very pensive, or is that just my mood????

Of course winder snakes do slide down rocky hills...not sure if that would be pensive or something to increase a person's running speed...oh, never run from a snake though. I did that once as a child and was chased quite a ways with a blue racer at my heels. Had nightmares for a couple of years after that...lol. Yeah, just slowly step back and tell the snake you have great appreciation for his / her role in nature but please just leave me out of it.

Maybe some info will come our way and my long and desultory soliloquies will dissolve away into nothingness.  Have a great day...watch out for snakes.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 02/01/2022 07:26:17

Feb 1, 2022 - 10:34:50 AM
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RichJ

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684 posts since 8/6/2013

OK, so here goes. My first attempt at VFF and also my first YT upload. Actually took way more time for me to make the dang upload then to learn this tune. Well I know absolutely nothing about it and just started playing it today after "Bob" landed, but I love it because it's such a simple tune I just can't help messin' with it and adding more melody. Hope the OT Police aren't listening. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kci65-WD1EE
 

Feb 1, 2022 - 10:53:12 AM
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RichJ

USA

684 posts since 8/6/2013

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Anyway, a few more thoughts on this tune. When I hear the word, "Winder," I think of snakes. Can't help but wonder how this tune got its name..."Slide" sounds dancy, though the tune as I've heard it seems very pensive, or is that just my mood????

Of course winder snakes do slide down rocky hills...not sure if that would be pensive or something to increase a person's running speed...oh, never run from a snake though. I did that once as a child and was chased quite a ways with a blue racer at my heels. Had nightmares for a couple of years after that...lol. Yeah, just slowly step back and tell the snake you have great appreciation for his / her role in nature but please just leave me out of it.

Maybe some info will come our way and my long and desultory soliloquies will dissolve away into nothingness.  Have a great day...watch out for snakes.


I remember being chased by a black racer when I was 3 years old at my Aunt Irene's chicken farm. She brought me inside and I watched through the window while she did a number on that snake with an axe. Man, I always had a lot of respect for my Aunt Irene.

Feb 1, 2022 - 10:58:51 AM

13306 posts since 9/23/2009

Great job, Rich! Old-Timey all the way through! Thanks for sharing Bob's special selection for us.

Just think, we still have the rest of February to throw in some other ideas on this tune if we feel like it.

Thanks for your contribution!

Feb 1, 2022 - 11:07:44 AM

13306 posts since 9/23/2009

It mighta been a black racer that got after me...everybody called it a blue racer...anyway, it was terrifying, as you and your brave aunt well know!

Feb 1, 2022 - 2:15:23 PM
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1868 posts since 4/6/2014

Ahhh.... Sidewinder...Snakeenlightened

Nice tune to start your VFF as well...

Feb 1, 2022 - 3:57:35 PM
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RichJ

USA

684 posts since 8/6/2013

Here's some info I found for this tune. Apparently a comparatively new arrival on the OT scene. Says it was composed by Joe LaRose in 1980. Love the midi recording provided, kinda' syncopated rhythm.

http://www.folktunefinder.com/tunes/7703

And, I'm goin' out on a limb here, regardless of what Peggy says. I don't think this tune has ANYTHING to do with snakes!

Also just found this old FHO (2008) discussion thread here: https://www.fiddlehangout.com/archive/3779
 

Edited by - RichJ on 02/01/2022 16:05:10

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Feb 1, 2022 - 9:46:52 PM
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5848 posts since 9/26/2008

Rayna Gellert has a nice learning video of this tune (several others too).

https://www.raynagellert.com/tune-videos

Feb 2, 2022 - 12:33:51 AM
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1868 posts since 4/6/2014

i like it when i can find the original version played by the composer. See if i can make it sound anything like it in standard tuning...

Joe LaRose "Winder Slide"
 

Feb 2, 2022 - 2:13:31 AM
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RichJ

USA

684 posts since 8/6/2013

quote:
Originally posted by pete_fiddle

i like it when i can find the original version played by the composer. See if i can make it sound anything like it in standard tuning...

Joe LaRose "Winder Slide"
 


Great link Pete. Many thanks, love the Gellert's fiddlin'. I'm sure this site will come in handy for future tunes. Surprised Rayna chose ADAE, isn't that tuning called high base standard?

Feb 2, 2022 - 4:41:48 AM

13306 posts since 9/23/2009

Well it sure sounds like LaRose is in standard tuning. And has the short B part...I've never heard it as fast as the original. I think I read on one of the links Rich put up earlier that LaRose himself added more to the B part later, after others were playing his original...did I read that? lol...I think I did up there somewhere on one of those links. But the speed...it reminds me of the one about the flooded valley...oh gosh now I can't even think of the name of the tune or the guy in WV who came up with it just before they all lost everything including the community, as happens, sadly, when they flood out a place to dam up a river and make a big lake. The name'll come to me later...anyway, if you hear his version, it's pretty fast...anybody else usually slows it down...it's understandably morose, but the fast playing hides that aspect some. It's the one that sounds similar to Come All Ye Fair and Tender Maidens...but it's different...well, anyway, I can't think. My brain is overwhelmed with a lot of stuff.

But anyhow, I tuned my G up to A before sitting down with this tune...but I didn't really get up to that string as I just went through it really quick with OTJ's track...I tried to at least hit it at the very end...lol. But I think whenever I do get the presence of mind and mental quiet to think about how I'd like to do this tune on my presonus, I will try to utilize that A drone more.

Thanks for the input, guys...fun to learn new stuff or even new stuff about old stuff...and now, back to coffee...not awake...I'm writing this in my sleep...dangerous...who knows what I'm sayin'...lol.

Feb 2, 2022 - 10:39:08 AM
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Originally posted by ChickenMan

Rayna Gellert has a nice learning video of this tune (several others too).

https://www.raynagellert.com/tune-videos


I (unashamed) play several of her versions of tunes. gooood!

excuse for the drift...

Feb 2, 2022 - 10:51:55 AM
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Yep, Rayna Gellert's fiddlin is really nice, prolly get a version between the two....With a good chunk of my fiddlin (such as it is), thrown in.

Feb 2, 2022 - 12:05:11 PM

408 posts since 7/30/2021

Quite a nice tune picking by Bob there! :-)

Enjoyed hearing Peggy and RichJ playing it (great job on your first YT upload, RichJ!)

Feb 2, 2022 - 1:37:02 PM
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WyoBob

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385 posts since 5/16/2019

Here's my attempt.  Sorry, no video.  I haven't taken time to figure out how to do that, yet.  Perhaps in my next life.   Winder Slide

Feb 2, 2022 - 1:54:26 PM
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Y'all are so far ahead of me!
I am just starting on Rayna Gellert's YouTube tutorial
(thank you Chickenman for the link!) :-)

Feb 2, 2022 - 4:54:10 PM
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Nice job, Bob! I think you really captured a lonesome old time sound with that. Nice fiddling...thanks for playing it for us/ with us!!!

Feb 2, 2022 - 4:56:11 PM
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NC...no rush...got a whole month to get 'er done!

Well guys I found myself with both some unexpected spare moments this afternoon plus a fear of time running out on me, plus a lonely-looking often neglected viola...so I decided to go for it. My preferred pace for this tune, and I used the extended B part. Played in G to get the same fingering as you get in D on the fiddle.

youtu.be/TJTuL6R047Y

Feb 2, 2022 - 8:03:43 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Well it sure sounds like LaRose is in standard tuning. And has the short B part...I've never heard it as fast as the original. I think I read on one of the links Rich put up earlier that LaRose himself added more to the B part later, after others were playing his original...did I read that? lol...I think I did up there somewhere on one of those links. But the speed...it reminds me of the one about the flooded valley...oh gosh now I can't even think of the name of the tune or the guy in WV who came up with it just before they all lost everything including the community, as happens, sadly, when they flood out a place to dam up a river and make a big lake. The name'll come to me later...anyway, if you hear his version, it's pretty fast...anybody else usually slows it down...it's understandably morose, but the fast playing hides that aspect some. It's the one that sounds similar to Come All Ye Fair and Tender Maidens...but it's different...well, anyway, I can't think. My brain is overwhelmed with a lot of stuff.

But anyhow, I tuned my G up to A before sitting down with this tune...but I didn't really get up to that string as I just went through it really quick with OTJ's track...I tried to at least hit it at the very end...lol. But I think whenever I do get the presence of mind and mental quiet to think about how I'd like to do this tune on my presonus, I will try to utilize that A drone more.

Thanks for the input, guys...fun to learn new stuff or even new stuff about old stuff...and now, back to coffee...not awake...I'm writing this in my sleep...dangerous...who knows what I'm sayin'...lol.


Elk Eiver Blues? 

Feb 2, 2022 - 8:05:02 PM
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13306 posts since 9/23/2009

Yes...thank you, Chickenman!

Feb 4, 2022 - 4:32:30 AM
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Well I've kinda thought about this tune a few times and checked out other people's youtubes, and by far and away, my favorite version I've found so far doesn't involve a fiddle at all...don't know where these guys are, but the comments look like German. But anyway...this is the version I love the best.

youtu.be/WLZM3KzSVGc

Feb 4, 2022 - 5:19:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by pete_fiddle

i like it when i can find the original version played by the composer. See if i can make it sound anything like it in standard tuning...

Joe LaRose "Winder Slide"
 


If you look in the comments, there is mention of Joe saying he originally wrote it with the one part, and Bruce Molsky recorded it pretty true to that. But then Joe wrote a second part and showed it to Rayna Gellert, so her recording appears to now be closer to the author's intentions that his own original recording. An interesting situation. 

Edited by - ChickenMan on 02/04/2022 05:19:42

Feb 4, 2022 - 5:31:59 AM

5848 posts since 9/26/2008

Well, I tried to use the Old Time Jam with my phone and can only see A tunes in the player. What is the trick to see the D tunes?

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