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Jan 18, 2022 - 1:32:52 PM
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Yep... You'd think that I was in physical shape for fiddling, given that went busking a couple of Hundred times last year.. During that year I began to notice that my right shoulder would 'freeze' at times.. Fortunately I fiddle mostly from my elbow to my fingers.. Anyhowz ..... I happened upon one of my lovely wife's 3 pound exercise weights.. I lifted it with my left arm straight up and thought '' Dang, this is easy",.. then I tried to lift that same weight with my right arm.. I could hardly get it above my head.. SO!!! That was a both figurative and Literal ''Heads up" to me.. I need to strengthen my right arm..I'll do it, but the experience was humbling and caught me off guard.. I've gone back to stairway pushups and working with that 3 pound weight.. I don't want to have muscular weakness sneak up on me to where I can't function as a fiddler..
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Jan 18, 2022 - 6:12:47 PM
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I think if you can find a good, not goofy, but good, chiropractor, the kind that studied chiropractic in Georgia...they have a good school down there...anyhow,that type chiropractor can bust up scar tissue that causes shoulder joints to freeze up. Playing any instrument is sort of an athletic endeavor on a mini scale...gotta keep everything necessary in decent working order, if at all possible.

Jan 18, 2022 - 6:26:38 PM
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This is a topic that calls the dogs.

I don't have problems with strength or dexterity (yet), but problems that translate from other things. I do a lot of manual labor like running chainsaws, muscling sawlogs, post-hole digging, wood-splitting, cattle-wrassling and what-have-you. It not only puts my fingers at risk, but makes my arms too shaky to draw a bow that doesn't sound like a machine gun. I have to lay off any day I intend to practice or perform, which is a lot of days.

The smart people say there's no muscles in our fingers, because those are all in our forearms, but labor will make the knuckles and bones get thicker, which is exactly the opposite of these gals with slender violin fingers that can hit octaves.

And, to boot, I've developed a slight case of "essential tremor" as I've aged (you'll have to look that up), especially in my bow arm. Lordamercy. No cure for that, except for a couple pulls of 'shine.

Sorry to chronicle my fiddle sorrows, but you did ask...

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Jan 18, 2022 - 6:37:53 PM
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

I think if you can find a good, not goofy, but good, chiropractor, the kind that studied chiropractic in Georgia...they have a good school down there...anyhow,that type chiropractor can bust up scar tissue that causes shoulder joints to freeze up. Playing any instrument is sort of an athletic endeavor on a mini scale...gotta keep everything necessary in decent working order, if at all possible.


Ah, but you forgot that I spent 25 years working in Chiropractic offices as a massage therapist.. I know EXactly what to do.. Problem is, I'd backed of on Doing it!!  Now I'm taking charge of my body again..I'd been lazy.. I had two serious shoulder injuries to my right shoulder and had forgotten that  those old injuries  were still there ... Those little three pounds taught me a lesson!!

Jan 18, 2022 - 8:26:21 PM
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2001 posts since 12/11/2008

Maybe I'm just lucky, but fiddling is no problem whatsoever, at least from a physical, soreness, strain-your-muscles standpoint. Now...if I could only play on pitch...or be able to pull & push that bow w/o that occasional case of the shakes. crying

Jan 19, 2022 - 4:26:14 AM
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Oh yeah... I do remember you talking about that. Well...nothing helps like loosening everything up and keeping everything loosened up. However, or, let's say, "anywhichway" that can be done...lol...to use an old FHO term.

Jan 19, 2022 - 5:09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Flat_the_3rd_n7th

This is a topic that calls the dogs.

I don't have problems with strength or dexterity (yet), but problems that translate from other things. I do a lot of manual labor like running chainsaws, muscling sawlogs, post-hole digging, wood-splitting, cattle-wrassling and what-have-you. It not only puts my fingers at risk, but makes my arms too shaky to draw a bow that doesn't sound like a machine gun. I have to lay off any day I intend to practice or perform, which is a lot of days.

The smart people say there's no muscles in our fingers, because those are all in our forearms, but labor will make the knuckles and bones get thicker, which is exactly the opposite of these gals with slender violin fingers that can hit octaves.

And, to boot, I've developed a slight case of "essential tremor" as I've aged (you'll have to look that up), especially in my bow arm. Lordamercy. No cure for that, except for a couple pulls of 'shine.

Sorry to chronicle my fiddle sorrows, but you did ask...


Woof!

Well. the cows are my tenant's, but I still cut/burn the wood. Still have chores. 

I've had essential tremors for several years. Been tested to where they say it's not Parkinson's. But it's a p.i.t.a.. I still haven't figured out what peaks it, other than being tired. Yet I can make a mess out of making breakfast. A nip does settle them. But I can't drink and fiddle. 

As far as fiddling, I don't have much trouble at all.  I'm glad. 

Jan 19, 2022 - 7:19:37 AM
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Yep... You'd think that I was in physical shape for fiddling, given that went busking a couple of Hundred times last year.. During that year I began to notice that my right shoulder would 'freeze' at times.. Fortunately I fiddle mostly from my elbow to my fingers.. Anyhowz ..... I happened upon one of my lovely wife's 3 pound exercise weights.. I lifted it with my left arm straight up and thought '' Dang, this is easy",.. then I tried to lift that same weight with my right arm.. I could hardly get it above my head.. SO!!! That was a both figurative and Literal ''Heads up" to me.. I need to strengthen my right arm..I'll do it, but the experience was humbling and caught me off guard.. I've gone back to stairway pushups and working with that 3 pound weight.. I don't want to have muscular weakness sneak up on me to where I can't function as a fiddler..
How about YOU???

You shouldn't have any problem doing front or lateral raises with three pounds. You might have a rotator cup problem. I tore mine up doing those with 15lbs a little over a year ago. I'd been doing them for decades with ten, five more pounds, what could it hurt?  I had to quit my dumbbell routine for a couple of months, I do not do any full extension lifts now. When I started fiddling again I got some slight pain in the right shoulder joint, but that has thankfully stopped.  I'm really not feeling an urge to have surgery. 

Jan 19, 2022 - 9:39:10 AM
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I remember thinking that a lot of exercise or muscle -building would be very bad for my fiddle playing. And that was my excuse for not working out.

Then I saw a documentary about Maxim Vengerov, a world-class classical violinist from Russia, which showed him in a gym lifting heavy weights.

So now I not only don't work out --- I also don't have an excuse!

Jan 19, 2022 - 12:42:08 PM
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It's so weird that working out helps, but working hurts...lol. We've had to do quite a bit of manual labor throughout our entire lives, and you can really hurt yourself...but take some dumbells and do the right moves and it seems to help. I did hurt my knees really bad on my daughter's climbing machine though...they've been acting up off and on for three months now. We just walked 7 miles today and they started hurting before we got done...so...daggone...I ain't gonna do that machine no more.

I try to do situps everyday...believing that a strong core will pay off for the entire body...my reasoning is that you will put less strain on all limbs if you have core strength backing everything else up, and also keep your back protected too. Right or wrong, I can't claim to know, but I've always reasoned that to me it seems to be a very important source of bodily energy and strength...I do the full situps with my hands crossed over chest like they used to put people in coffins...lol...in the old days. I used to do 100 a day that way, but I've been lazy since I broke my arm and I just do 50. Hopefully it helps. We still have a lot of manual labor on and off, and we try to keep in shape enough so that doesn't entirely wreck our bodies.

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Jan 20, 2022 - 4:08:55 PM

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Let's not forget that we naturally lose muscle mass as we age, starting in the later 30s with (I think) up to 3-5% a year. This rate increases substantially as we enter our mid 70s.
It can be slowed and somewhat reversed but requires focused effort.
Lee, your problem is likely that old injury and as you said, you know what targeted exercises to do. My only (hopefully) issues are some arthritis in my hands and between L4 and L5 in my back. I've a host of exercises that I do for my back including planks and squats and the like, and treat my hands like my livelihood depends on them.

Jan 20, 2022 - 7:34:14 PM

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

Let's not forget that we naturally lose muscle mass as we age, starting in the later 30s with (I think) up to 3-5% a year. This rate increases substantially as we enter our mid 70s.
It can be slowed and somewhat reversed but requires focused effort.
Lee, your problem is likely that old injury and as you said, you know what targeted exercises to do. My only (hopefully) issues are some arthritis in my hands and between L4 and L5 in my back. I've a host of exercises that I do for my back including planks and squats and the like, and treat my hands like my livelihood depends on them.


Yes the problem IS that old injury (two).. My shoulder always pops and makes crunchy noises as I move it about.. Last summer I was using a three pound sledge to drive some garden stakes and I had to use both arms to get it high enough to hit the stake. My wife commented about my inability to use the right arm and I should have let THAT be the heads up.

Billy, I just hope you don't get arthritis in your hands/fingers...!!  Speaking of treating hands carefully.  I know a man    who is a professional musician and values his hands so much that he would never wash dishes or do work around the house because he was afraid he'd hurt a finger.....He let his wife do all of the house and yard work.. That led to their divorce!!! (seriously)...not makin'  that up.. got the story from the hard working ex wife!

Jan 21, 2022 - 10:08 AM

39 posts since 12/26/2021

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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
 

Yes the problem IS that old injury (two).. My shoulder always pops and makes crunchy noises as I move it about.. Last summer I was using a three pound sledge to drive some garden stakes and I had to use both arms to get it high enough to hit the stake. My wife commented about my inability to use the right arm and I should have let THAT be the heads up.

 


See an orthpedist. I've got the crunchy noises in my left shoulder, but it doesn't really limit me. It does show up in a CT scan or MRI. The right shoulder has torn or strained ligaments connecting the ball joint. As long as it doesn't get worse I'm OK. Doctor basically said if it hurts, don't do it. If I screw it up worse, I'll need surgery..

Something you might try: If you have a bar or door jam you can reach with your feet on the ground, gradually flex your knees so your  weight begins to hang from your shoulders. If it hurts, STOP, you have a problem. 

Jan 21, 2022 - 10:48:15 AM

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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
 

Yes the problem IS that old injury (two).. My shoulder always pops and makes crunchy noises as I move it about.. Last summer I was using a three pound sledge to drive some garden stakes and I had to use both arms to get it high enough to hit the stake. My wife commented about my inability to use the right arm and I should have let THAT be the heads up.

 


See an orthpedist. I've got the crunchy noises in my left shoulder, but it doesn't really limit me. It does show up in a CT scan or MRI. The right shoulder has torn or strained ligaments connecting the ball joint. As long as it doesn't get worse I'm OK. Doctor basically said if it hurts, don't do it. If I screw it up worse, I'll need surgery..

Something you might try: If you have a bar or door jam you can reach with your feet on the ground, gradually flex your knees so your  weight begins to hang from your shoulders. If it hurts, STOP, you have a problem. 


I have a treatment plan.. I did the door stretches long ago.. still some stiffness and weakness, but nothing insurmountable.. Don't think I need a specialist at this point...and the pain is long gone.. just need Strengthening!! I've been lazy.. THanks for the advise thought..As I mentioned to Peggy, I worked with  these kinds of injuries  a lot over my 25 year career as a massage therapist so I'm on top of it now that it has my undivided attention!!!laugh

Jan 23, 2022 - 4:38:15 AM

13160 posts since 9/23/2009

Chickenman, Yes, let's DO forget about all that losing muscle as we get older...lol...please, let's forget that. Take that back. Let's all forget that.

Jan 23, 2022 - 6:31:07 AM

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Chickenman, Yes, let's DO forget about all that losing muscle as we get older...lol...please, let's forget that. Take that back. Let's all forget that.


lol

Jan 23, 2022 - 7:04:54 AM

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Originally posted by ChickenMan
quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Chickenman, Yes, let's DO forget about all that losing muscle as we get older...lol...please, let's forget that. Take that back. Let's all forget that.


lol


To encourage older fiddlers, I'll mention this anecdote.. When I was 73, just a few years ago, I felt weak and started doing squats daily and stairway pushups... I started out with about ten push ups daily and each day tried to add 5.. I eventually got up to being able to do a couple hundred pushups daily...My upper body muscle volume improved a Lot.. Eventually, I backed off from the pushups (lazy) and again loss muscle mass.. I'm saying that muscle mass CAN be had even for us old fogies, if we just exercise!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 01/23/2022 07:05:07

Jan 27, 2022 - 10:26:56 PM
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Quincy

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343 posts since 1/16/2021

Here lower back problems, when I move around I hardly feel my back, when I stand or lie down for a long while it hurts like hell.
That's why you can see me wiggle along with the tune I am playing when playing standing: then my back doesn't hurt that much.

Edited by - Quincy on 01/27/2022 22:37:53

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