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Dec 4, 2021 - 6:06:26 PM
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Anybody here play Charlie Bowman's "Hickman's Rag?" I've been working on it and looked at the Fiddle Tune Archive's notation and it doesn't jive at all with what I hear or am playing. Here's the tune at Slippery Hill

And here's the page with the notation.

My ears are hearing an A-G-E-G as the first 4 notes and that is what I'm playing, but how could the notation be so wrong? 

Edited by - ChickenMan on 12/04/2021 18:07:38

Dec 5, 2021 - 4:37:02 AM

12681 posts since 9/23/2009

Can you try it both ways...ear and sight???? I'm not familiar with the tune but it doesn't sound easy...lol...good luck with it, Billy.

Dec 5, 2021 - 4:52:14 AM
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carlb

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2397 posts since 2/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMa
My ears are hearing an A-G-E-G as the first 4 notes and that is what I'm playing, but how could the notation be so wrong? 

What's written in the Milliner-Koken transcription is A eighth pickup and held over then sixteenths E-G-A-G.

Dec 5, 2021 - 6:06:18 AM

9651 posts since 3/19/2009

I'll work on the tune and maybe we can play it at the 2022 Clifftop!!!  Billy have you ever listened to tunes HERE: https://musescore.com/playinorac/the-hickman-rag

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 12/05/2021 06:21:52

Dec 5, 2021 - 7:21:13 AM

5648 posts since 9/26/2008

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

I'll work on the tune and maybe we can play it at the 2022 Clifftop!!!  Billy have you ever listened to tunes HERE: https://musescore.com/playinorac/the-hickman-rag


That's the same version. It's not right. 

Dec 5, 2021 - 7:24:19 AM

5648 posts since 9/26/2008

quote:
Originally posted by carlb
quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMa
My ears are hearing an A-G-E-G as the first 4 notes and that is what I'm playing, but how could the notation be so wrong? 

What's written in the Milliner-Koken transcription is A eighth pickup and held over then sixteenths E-G-A-G.


That's more like it than what's at tune archive

Dec 5, 2021 - 11:47:35 AM

5648 posts since 9/26/2008

Okay, for the record, I'm not using the notation, but here's another issue I'm having with the TA's notation for this tune, which is the same as all notation I'm seeing in my searches - Hickman's Rag is clearly a 3 part tune with subtle variations. What the Archive says is "Bowman goes on an extended improvisation after playing the main tuneonce through (AA'B), then returns to the 'B' part." It obviously ends with the A part and a clever tag. How is it so wrong?

Dec 5, 2021 - 11:49:13 AM

5648 posts since 9/26/2008

Also, I'm now hearing the A E G A G as Carl pointed out.

Dec 6, 2021 - 4:40:29 PM
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9651 posts since 3/19/2009

I've been working on the tune off and on all day.. As usual no part is all that hard except in this case the fiddler must either shift into 2nd and third positions OR have a long reach with the third and fourth fingers... I can/will get it.. Just another winter/covid/boredom challenge..

Dec 7, 2021 - 11:42:53 AM
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2512 posts since 10/22/2007

Oh man does that thing sound familiar

Dec 7, 2021 - 11:49:17 AM

5648 posts since 9/26/2008

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Originally posted by farmerjones

Oh man does that thing sound familiar


I think rags are kind of like waltzes in that they all sound familiar laugh

Edited by - ChickenMan on 12/07/2021 11:49:58

Dec 7, 2021 - 12:18:31 PM

9651 posts since 3/19/2009

I've come to realize that (I think) the part three high part is really just three notes, a full step apart each..At first I was intimidated by the c# until I investigated that actual finger positions needed in the third position..Once I understood it intellectually and then IN THE Finger positions.. it all made sense and not it is  just a matter of practice. (Practice...Isn't that what it ALL is about!!!wink)  It is kind or a Squirrelyyyy rag but It is growing on me..Thanks, Billy, for bringing it up..

Oh, and the third part also (I suggest) gets a measure in the second position..!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 12/07/2021 12:29:05

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