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Dec 1, 2021 - 2:29:45 PM
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10237 posts since 3/19/2009

Our Tuesday nite jam at my buddy, Larry's house is small..about 5-6 musicians with 5-6 different skills.. I've always been just a little frustrated in that I don't want to always play jam busters when some people are in attendance and I don't want to NOT play jam buster tunes that I know well and really am looking for a chance to play!!! It has been a balancing act, musically. I can live with that..BUT, last night Larry said that he wants his jam to be a jam where we can play difficult tunes and can make mistakes playing those tunes... In other words.. Just Play what you want.. I like this.. I realize that such a format is NOT going to work in other jams.. THis is not to say that I only play jam busters.. The other night played a tune that I was SURE everyone knew (Cluck Old Hen), but it turned out to be one of the most unmusical times in recent years... Nobody listened!! I kicked up my foot after just a few times through..
All of the people in the jam are my Friends.. so I'll put up with about anything (and they put up with ME)...
I want to add that a friend recently died and his death made me re-consider the value of playing with friends.. It IS  about the music, but NOT JUST about the music..Such is life.

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 12/01/2021 14:33:03

Dec 1, 2021 - 2:57:47 PM
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doryman

USA

328 posts since 2/10/2020

Sorry to hear about your friend, Lee. Unfortunately, I know exactly what that feels like, I'm on my way down to a memorial service in Baton Rouge next week. I don't really know you, of course, but from the posts I've read from you, you don't strike me as the kind of person who ever took friendship and/or playing with friends for granted.

Now, to the fiddle. Coincidentally, only a few weeks ago I tried to introduce Cluck Old Hen to my regular group of jam friend and it crashed and burned too! I'm not exactly sure what was going on. It seems like a simple enough song, but I think it's one of those songs that you really have to know and get into it with a trance-y groove to appreciate and have fun with it.

I really like what this group has done with it:

youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZEJ3I6ozk

Dec 1, 2021 - 3:07:22 PM
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10237 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by doryman

Sorry to hear about your friend, Lee. Unfortunately, I know exactly what that feels like, I'm on my way down to a memorial service in Baton Rouge next week. I don't really know you, of course, but from the posts I've read from you, you don't strike me as the kind of person who ever took friendship and/or playing with friends for granted.

Now, to the fiddle. Coincidentally, only a few weeks ago I tried to introduce Cluck Old Hen to my regular group of jam friend and it crashed and burned too! I'm not exactly sure what was going on. It seems like a simple enough song, but I think it's one of those songs that you really have to know and get into it with a trance-y groove to appreciate and have fun with it.

I really like what this group has done with it:

youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZEJ3I6ozk


Thanks John.. ... As for the tune...Usually what happens is that when everyone thinks they know a tune they just start playing.. at different speeds, not listening to what the tune leader has in mind.. I had to stop the tune and remind the guitar player that I'm trying to play the tune slowly with old time feeling. He was playing faster than me..... Other musicians just pushed, pushed to get the tune to the speed that they usually played it at.... I stopped again and reminded people to please listen... still no good results..The concept of playing 'tight' seems to be lost..  I'll be out there next week trying again..Beats (usually ) playing at home..alone..

Dec 1, 2021 - 5:05:12 PM
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Old Scratch

Canada

988 posts since 6/22/2016

"Usually what happens is that when everyone thinks they know a tune they just start playing.. at different speeds, not listening to what the tune leader has in mind.. " Drives me nuts. I guess I got spoiled in my younger days; I was in with a crowd of good musicians, all of whom listened - that went without saying .... ah, well ........

Dec 1, 2021 - 5:07:20 PM
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10237 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by Old Scratch

"Usually what happens is that when everyone thinks they know a tune they just start playing.. at different speeds, not listening to what the tune leader has in mind.. " Drives me nuts. I guess I got spoiled in my younger days; I was in with a crowd of good musicians, all of whom listened - that went without saying .... ah, well

FORTUNATELY, there are other opportunities to play where the group IS tight.. Nice when that happens..

Dec 1, 2021 - 7:40:58 PM
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doryman

USA

328 posts since 2/10/2020

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Originally posted by TuneWeaver


All of the people in the jam are my Friends.. so I'll put up with about anything (and they put up with ME)...
 


When one has the good fortune to participate in a regular jam with friends, I believe that there is an unwritten code of honor that you will make a good attempt to learn and play the songs that your friends like to play, even if you may not be particularly fond of them...and they will do the same for you. This goes double if said song was written by one of those friends!  

Old Home Place comes to mind for me.  I never particularly liked that song, but it is a favorite of two of my jamming friends and one of them is bound to be at any given session, if not both of them.  And they will call for it when it's their turn.  So I learnt it and learnt it well.  I can't say I ever learnt to like it, but at least I'm not making it worse!

Dec 2, 2021 - 5:20:40 AM
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carlb

USA

2437 posts since 2/2/2008

Sometimes the leader of the tune has to adjust their speed to the group. Insisting on a different tempo can pose its own problems. Helps in cohesiveness of the jam.

Dec 2, 2021 - 5:29:59 AM

10237 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by carlb

Sometimes the leader of the tune has to adjust their speed to the group. Insisting on a different tempo can pose its own problems. Helps in cohesiveness of the jam.


I understand what you are saying... I have this unwritten rule, ''if you can't play it slow you can't play it fast"... but with Cluck Old Hen, my tempo was't all that different.. With some groups of musicians, the inability to play tightly is endemic  to that group...and it will show up at about ANY tempo...What I've done from time to time is play slowly because tunes tend to sound so disjointed at 'normal' tempo..  It is not being said that our group Always sounds bad, we often pull tunes together and almost sound like a band!!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 12/02/2021 05:35:03

Dec 2, 2021 - 10:45:23 AM
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1917 posts since 4/6/2014

This puts me in mind of "Powerful" or "mighty" players who somehow gently and effortlessly impose their playing on a "Jam" or "Session". I have been in the company of very few.....Magic.

Other musicians (myself included), enjoy and appreciate their musicianship and make music along with them, the best we can. And together we somehow become "More than the sum of our parts".

A very rare and beautiful occurrence in my experience.

Dec 2, 2021 - 12:43:54 PM
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10237 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by pete_fiddle

This puts me in mind of "Powerful" or "mighty" players who somehow gently and effortlessly impose their playing on a "Jam" or "Session". I have been in the company of very few.....Magic.

Other musicians (myself included), enjoy and appreciate their musicianship and make music along with them, the best we can. And together we somehow become "More than the sum of our parts".

A very rare and beautiful occurrence in my experience.


And, Pete.. Your comment reminds me of those occasions when a high energy fiddler like my daughter graces us at a jam.. The entire evening becomes magical......Powerful.. is a good word for them..

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