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Oct 13, 2021 - 7:24:44 PM
2469 posts since 10/22/2007

It's been touched on before. But this time I'm attempting to systemize a method where I can do this with a simple I, IV, V, tune with the least effort. Sort of like how a guitar player can do. This stems from my laziness. I don't want to drag a fiddle and a guitar to a jam. Because not only must you bring the instruments but also the stands. Add an amp and cables, one trip from the truck turns into four.

Okay, really the only reason for the guitar is for the four or five times it's my turn to come up with a tune (that all these pickers know) and kick it off and lead it. No, they won't let me pass. Soooo. . . .

I play & sing a few tunes, but none the rest know. What I've found, I still have to voice each song individually. This taxes the mind where it should only be lyrics. At this point I should note, the desire is the accompaniment to mostly be double stops. I guess a video would be in order to be more explanatory. But I, IV, V, in D or A, is or should be some of the easiest double stop to be had. But again, it's the choices. Having too many choices taxes that brainpower again, that should be dedicated to singing. I think it's going to be five songs. The songs are going to be simple and common. More later.

If any have done similar what was your approach? What songs?

Oct 14, 2021 - 6:35:11 AM
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carlb

USA

2373 posts since 2/2/2008

When I lead sing, and play the fiddle at the same time, I can only play the same melody as I'm singing. I can't sing a melody and play a harmony, nor can I sing a harmony and play the melody. When I sing a harmony I either play chords (i.e. double stops) or don't play at all.

Here are a few examples of my singing and playing:
https://www.fiddlehangout.com/song/13701
https://www.fiddlehangout.com/song/1351
https://www.facebook.com/carl.baron.33/videos/10217906642673145/

Oct 14, 2021 - 6:53:16 AM
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115 posts since 1/21/2017

It's one of the hardest things that I try to do with the fiddle. I just try to find a chord that includes an open string, so I only have to search with one finger, or better yet, two open strings. My singing's not the greatest anyway, and I'm spending 90 percent of my energy on trying to get the intonation right rather than focusing on my singing. Not ideal. Bruce Molsky has a great dvd on singing with the fiddle. That's some really nice playing and singing Carl. It's hard enough for me to long bow while singing. I think that trying to play the melody along with singing would melt my brain.

Edited by - coryobert on 10/14/2021 06:55:10

Oct 14, 2021 - 8:46:32 AM
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carlb

USA

2373 posts since 2/2/2008

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That's some really nice playing and singing Carl...........


Thanks so much.

Oct 14, 2021 - 9:49:50 AM
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481 posts since 6/11/2019

I only call songs that the pickers would know. I kick it off with a simple melody emphasizing the tempo and don't play lead again unless we go around again at the end. Hopefully by the time I'm done with my kickoff, the guitars are in synch. I've come to realize one of the weaknesses of fiddle is that it's just not very good at getting everybody pointed in the same direction.

While I sing, I don't do anything except strum like I'm playing mandolin. If there's a hard chord coming up, I quit doing that and just sing.

Songs:
Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain
I Can't Stop Loving You
There Stands the Glass
Walk Softly on this Heart of Mine (Bill's version, not the Headhunters')
Will the Circle Be Unbroken...and so on

I don't know if that's what you were driving at--bottom line I don't have the brain power to recall lyrics from memory and play anything other than chunks with the bow--let us know if you come up with a catchy technique

Oct 14, 2021 - 11:02:14 AM

2469 posts since 10/22/2007

Great job Carl!
I ripped off Bruce Molsky when he sang and played Peg & Awl. The Blackest Crow is doable too. But they seem to be a type of tune that takes not much movement.

Tunes like Little Liza Jane, or Wabash Cannonball, one can play through the melody once, and hopefully the jam can catch the changes, by the time one takes off singing. My goal is easy participation, not trying to impress. Maybe I haven't found right songs yet?

Oct 14, 2021 - 6:19:04 PM

doryman

USA

231 posts since 2/10/2020

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Originally posted by Flat_the_3rd_n7th

 I've come to realize one of the weaknesses of fiddle is that it's just not very good at getting everybody pointed in the same direction.
 


Exactly.  I have to tote around my fiddle and my banjo, and then, when it's my turn to lead a song, I just bang out the chords on the banjo and sing.  Even better with a guitar because most folk (in my jam at least) can read guitar finger positions to know the chords. 

Oct 14, 2021 - 8:53:40 PM

1904 posts since 12/11/2008

I can sing and play the guitar together pretty well, but I just can't sing along with any of the other instruments I play. To put it simply, I just can't do two melodies at the same time. Maybe if I worked at it enough I could sing and accompany myself at the piano, but I just don't have the impetus to tackle it in my admittedly advanced age.

Oct 15, 2021 - 6:13:52 AM
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2393 posts since 10/1/2008

TO me it feels like playing fiddle and singing take up different parts of my brain. I recall when first learning to play guitar ... in another century. Playing and singing together to all my concentration just to make it through. Now, many decades later with guitar and mandolin it is a known quantity. I don't really do more than chop a few chords or play a few long bow chord tones while singing. I admire the music Tim O'Brien and Bruce Molesky can make playing and / or singing either a harmony or melody while playing. Maybe someday I will be able to do a song that way.

Oct 15, 2021 - 1:34:07 PM

2469 posts since 10/22/2007

This is the guy that killz me:
youtu.be/rJa25e55-uI

youtu.be/OcXMkUx2b94

He doesn't do just one or two songs. It's part of his thing. Just like any picker does. He must have an ambidextrous brain.

Edited by - farmerjones on 10/15/2021 13:37:32

Oct 15, 2021 - 3:30:07 PM
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Yeah singing and playing the fiddle is tough. I only have a couple of songs I can sing and play at the same time, but back when I was regularly playing I was getting close to it feeling more natural.

Here are two things I've tried to do to make it so I could play and sing at the same time:

1. Work on getting any sort of regular shuffle under your bow hand so you don't have to think about it. Couple of ways to practice it:
a. just practice without singing, and practicing changing chords
b. practice it on camera
c. practice it and talk
d. practice it and sing
2. The other thing I like especially for slow songs, is just long bows. This is a little easier because you don't have to keep rhythm as well as a shuffle. This practice should be the same for any sort of long bowing, see how long you can sustain a good tone for as long as possible. Practice it with the above a-c.

I've got a seriously long way to go with it, so take my advice with a grain of salt:
youtu.be/N5ZZ8JpnM6I

Oct 15, 2021 - 3:31:56 PM
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2576 posts since 7/12/2013

One other thought I had on ways to practice is figure out a simple song you can sing really really well like happy birthday or something, and then see if you can accompany yourself that way.

Edited by - fiddlinsteudel on 10/15/2021 15:32:25

Oct 15, 2021 - 3:35:19 PM
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9501 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel

One other thought I had on ways to practice is figure out a simple song you can sing really really well like happy birthday or something, and then see if you can accompany yourself that way.


YES.. What I've been using is "Old McDonald Had a Farm"..  to practice playing and singing. . It is surprisingly difficult!! Why is that??  I find it difficult, when busking', to even say 'thank you'  when I get a tip.. Something about the brain (my brain) that just doesn't   'get' it!!!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 10/15/2021 15:39:26

Oct 16, 2021 - 5:15:01 AM
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carlb

USA

2373 posts since 2/2/2008

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Originally posted by farmerjones

This is the guy that killz me:
youtu.be/rJa25e55-uI

youtu.be/OcXMkUx2b94

He doesn't do just one or two songs. It's part of his thing. Just like any picker does. He must have an ambidextrous brain.


He's singing and chording (double stops and rhythm) along, like what I described what I do while singing a harmony. I could also do that while singing a melody, but usually I play and sing the melody.

Oct 16, 2021 - 7:06:59 AM
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
quote:
  I find it difficult, when busking', to even say 'thank you'  when I get a tip.. Something about the brain (my brain) that just doesn't   'get' it!!!!

 


Ha! Me too. I can't even shout "one more", or "Hup" while I'm playing or it messes me up.

Oct 16, 2021 - 7:49:41 AM
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Moko

USA

16 posts since 11/24/2017

This is so hard to do! I'm just trying to teach myself how to yell out "one more".

Oct 16, 2021 - 9:45:10 AM
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2576 posts since 7/12/2013

Wow this takes playing and singing at the same time to a whole new level:

Oct 16, 2021 - 9:53:23 AM

2576 posts since 7/12/2013

Here's some more lessons on it:

Keep it simple and just try talking:


This is just about singing scales as you play:



Our own FiddleHed has a lesson on it:
Call and response, then syncing together

Oct 17, 2021 - 4:38:05 PM

72 posts since 9/4/2007

In response to UsuallyPickin above.

"TO me it feels like playing fiddle and singing take up different parts of my brain."

I've always wondered if it isn't the opposite; that fiddling and singing come from the same part of the brain which is what makes it so difficult. It feels as if the brain is overloaded with demand when trying to sing and play at the same time and that overload is what makes it so tough.

Singing and playing the fiddle at the same time has always been done around here because the main best fiddler around here always did it, so we all just thought it was supposed to be that way. However, I think it's safe to say that it's been difficult for everyone and takes a long time to get it together, but long hard practice can make it work. Have to say that the idea of singing melody and playing harmony is quite beyond me.

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