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Oct 8, 2021 - 3:09:59 PM
9468 posts since 3/19/2009

Musical CLiques... that you are IN or can't seem to get In!!!  or, avoid..

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 10/08/2021 15:15:30

Oct 8, 2021 - 3:54:03 PM

2465 posts since 10/22/2007

Seems like there were more 20 years ago. But there were more festivals and jams. It's easy to see the attrition. Everyone lives on their phone, now. Talk about your tribes and cliques, those social apps are all about division.

Oct 8, 2021 - 4:13:53 PM

Swing

USA

2070 posts since 6/26/2007

I wish that there were some!!

Play Happy

Swing

Oct 8, 2021 - 4:17:56 PM
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DougD

USA

10329 posts since 12/2/2007

Not that I'm aware of, but if there were they probably wouldn't want me to know about them, would they?
My mantra:
"I'll tune up my fiddle and rosin my bow,
and make myself welcome wherever I go."

Oct 8, 2021 - 4:19:04 PM
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1479 posts since 7/26/2015

Definitely. At festivals, each clique tends to stay in its own little area. The top contest fiddlers tend to hang out together and the people from a particular Old-Time or Bluegrass jam culture tend to hang out together. Also, there are a lot of complex and interconnected dancer cliques. One of my mentors told me not to be trying to hobnob with cliques and acting like a bigshot. It should be noted that online communities can form musical cliques, and that musical style norms can be indicative of cliques. Some contests are are judged by cliques, and it doesn't look like that is going to change.
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Musical CLiques... that you are IN or can't seem to get In!!!  or, avoid..

 


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 10/08/2021 16:21:38

Oct 8, 2021 - 4:40:30 PM

9468 posts since 3/19/2009

Our 20 year Plus weekly jam session was seen by some as a clique because we closed it to new people.. It had gotten too large for the venue..

Oct 8, 2021 - 5:39:36 PM
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Old Scratch

Canada

839 posts since 6/22/2016

I'm a one-man musical clique ......

Oct 8, 2021 - 5:42:10 PM
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Swing

USA

2070 posts since 6/26/2007

With a Clique here and a clique there, here clique there a clique every where a clique clique etc.

I couldn't help myself

Play Happy

Swing

Oct 8, 2021 - 5:49:54 PM
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Baileyb

USA

88 posts since 1/24/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Old Scratch

I'm a one-man musical clique ......


Me 2! Me, Myself, and I. Most-times we get along and then sometimes we don't.

Oct 8, 2021 - 8:49:33 PM
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1904 posts since 12/11/2008

I walk down my street and hear ukuleles being strummed and sweet slow songs being sung. True!

Oct 8, 2021 - 8:52:45 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

177 posts since 1/16/2021

If I had knowledge of any fiddle clique around here I'd beg them to make me a bit wiser haha.
"Please let me in! This place is surrounded by classical violists , I mean ... just help .... HELP ME" :-p

Oct 8, 2021 - 9:05:54 PM
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5486 posts since 9/26/2008

They're called "bands" around here laugh

Oct 8, 2021 - 9:12:18 PM

Quincy

Belgium

177 posts since 1/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

They're called "bands" around here laugh


And after you pointed that out, I thought why not google 'fiddle band Belgium' and look, look what I found! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL0zsc0YhYo

We DO have fiddlers!

Oct 8, 2021 - 9:14:23 PM
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Quincy

Belgium

177 posts since 1/16/2021

Oh wait, it's an Irish band haha.

Oct 9, 2021 - 9:54:03 AM

1635 posts since 4/6/2014

The fiddler is South African though

Oct 9, 2021 - 4:44:58 PM
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WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

We have quite a few jams in our area.   The Old Time only jam is pretty much made up of folks who were invited (including me-on my banjo) but is open to anyone interested in O.T. fiddle music.   Anyone can show up and play but, if they're "not up to speed" are asked to "hang back" until they get up to speed.  This is the group that Lynn Young put together and, to say that I was honored to be invited, would be an understatement.    Every one of the players (and there are several very accomplished youngsters in the group) are light years ahead of me in musical knowledge and ability.   I get along playing the banjo but don't know most of the tunes.   "C" tunes?  I don't know any but, if they use only 1,4,5 chords and the tunes aren't crooked, I can generally play along with them.  We stay in one key for the two plus hour sessions and I played for three weekly sessions and probably knew 8-10 tunes, mainly in "D".

My "new brother" that my daughter discovered doing the "Ancestry thing" last year came for a visit from Kansas City, where I was born, a few weeks ago.  The first time we met.  I'm 74 and he's 66.   We had the same mother but, as I was a, uhh, ---- well, I was put up for adoption.   My birth mom married a really neat guy (95 years) old that I've talked to and emailed quite a bit and they had four children.   He married my birth mom after I was put up for adoption.  Anyway, brother "Marc" (I prefer brother to "half brother") showed up with his guitar and was here for our Sunday afternoon jam.   He's played for years but wasn't that familiar with old time.  He stood back and kinda played along and had a blast.   They went on to Yellowstone and he said the highlight of the trip wasn't hiking along Clear Creek near our home or driving down "Crazy Woman Canyon" road here or even Cody or Yellowstone.  He loved the jam, out in the backyard of the Occidental Hotel, the most out of the whole trip.  

There's an open jam at the Occidental Hotel every Thursday night that's been going on for 13 or 14 years and they play all kinds of acoustic tunes/songs.   I don't go to that one.  It's really noisy and crowded and I'm just not interested in crowds.

There's a Sunday afternoon jam in Sheridan, WY that's been going on for several years and encompasses all sorts of music.   We have a "slow jam" in Buffalo that's been going on for 8-9 years (?) and that is the first jam I attended about 8 years ago after playing the banjo for one year.  That same group plays at the Senior Center and the assisted living place quite a bit and I used to, as well.   But, our local "jam buster"  pretty well ruined any jam for me that I used to go to.  (He's a "performer" not a jammer and has no sense of timing or playing with a group.   He's there to display his amazing talent with his guitar playing and singing to all of the "underlings")  The only jam he doesn't go to is the O.T. jam at the OX that I go to.   Not welcome there so, I guess you could call it "Cliquey".   I call it wonderful.

So, I go to the Sunday O.T. jam and, otherwise, play my fiddle along with recordings I made of Lynn's group and other MP3's I have on my phone & computer.   I have a blast doing this and it is pretty much a jam situation for me and I get to play with "the pro's" every day. (And, I can slow the tunes down until I "get up to speed").

Edited by - WyoBob on 10/09/2021 16:45:38

Oct 12, 2021 - 5:56:51 PM
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bsed

USA

4181 posts since 6/23/2007

I have to deal with "cliqishness" now & then here. Seems to me people sometimes seem to forget that the music should be fun (and so should the social interactions, BTW). I try not to dwell on it.

Oct 15, 2021 - 1:36:48 PM
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755 posts since 8/10/2017

Centralia appeared to be all cliques.

Oct 15, 2021 - 2:08:02 PM

9468 posts since 3/19/2009

Cliques are not necessarily bad things.. just TIGHT groups, and that can be a good thing..The problem comes when one wants to get INTO a clique and can't for various reasons..
Recently I've CREATED a clique.. in which some people are invited to jams and others are excluded..intentionally.. Such is life.. Unfortunately we don't always meet the jam standards of others!!

Oct 16, 2021 - 7:39:36 AM

Moko

USA

16 posts since 11/24/2017

so yea we all experience cliques it just might not be the best word to describe how we all form up into groups. Lots of negative connotations left over from our high school days. Just need another word like maybe tribes. Yesterday someone was telling me how folks group up at Clifftop and talked about pods. I think pods is a cool word.

Oct 16, 2021 - 12:30:51 PM
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9468 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by Moko

so yea we all experience cliques it just might not be the best word to describe how we all form up into groups. Lots of negative connotations left over from our high school days. Just need another word like maybe tribes. Yesterday someone was telling me how folks group up at Clifftop and talked about pods. I think pods is a cool word.


I've noticed that at week long events where people don't know each other at the start, by the end of the week,  various people have found who they want to jam with, who they are indifferent about , and  who they want to avoid, .. Human nature!!

Oct 25, 2021 - 8:42:58 PM
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111 posts since 7/30/2021

At the jam I went to this summer, there were "small groups" (cliques?) that get together outside of the main group. ( I have been invited to House sessions occasionally ...although nothing stuck, see below)

I think the way to get into a "clique" is to go regularly to an open public jam, and then often, as you get to know people, they will invite you to try their private "House" jam/small group.

Anyway, I struggle with this! Sometimes the people are so great, really nice, like old friends...but you don't have the same musical sense or playing level. Or musically you are kindred souls...but outside of playing together, you don't have much in common. I haven't found my "group" yet.

Classical music is more impersonal. You audition. You get a chair. Somebody sits down next to you - hello, stand partner. It's really more like a co-worker relationship than a friendship. I guess I inherited that businesslike attitude towards music in general...like, I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make music!

But I suspect that attitude is considered weird amongst folk musicians. :-)
Anyway the combination of personality + musical taste matching, I think that's rare.,,
Maybe somebody needs to start an app like e-Harmony for Musicians, ha ha.

Oct 26, 2021 - 4:56:59 AM
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161 posts since 12/30/2008

There are probably cliques that I haven't been told about.

Oct 26, 2021 - 5:41:50 AM
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9468 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by hokelore

There are probably cliques that I haven't been told about.


Tim, you may be your own Clique!!!

Oct 26, 2021 - 11:08:22 AM

12496 posts since 9/23/2009
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I'm in the musical desert...at least I have a little machine that makes playing all by your lonesome a lot of fun...yay for presonus!

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