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Sep 14, 2021 - 1:47:21 PM
12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Maysville is driving me nuts. Not enough time to explain it all now...the chords never fit no matter how I change them around (minor or straight...neither works out well for me)...it sounds Calico-ish to me but now I'm wondering if that's gonna work...C is not my key in standard...it clutters my mind and I can't stop thinking about it....AGHHHHHHHHH!

Sep 14, 2021 - 2:25:55 PM
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DougD

USA

10290 posts since 12/2/2007

A mind is a terrible thing to lose.
"Maysville" doesn't nterest me much, but the last tune I learned was this nice little C tune from JP (I also play the Doc Roberts version, but its a lot harder). Just move your right hand up and down a little bit and wiggle the fingers on your left hand and you should be fine!
youtu.be/nYMLiC9wdAQ

Sep 14, 2021 - 2:56 PM
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1983 posts since 8/27/2008

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Maysville is driving me nuts. Not enough time to explain it all now...the chords never fit no matter how I change them around (minor or straight...neither works out well for me)...it sounds Calico-ish to me but now I'm wondering if that's gonna work...C is not my key in standard...it clutters my mind and I can't stop thinking about it....AGHHHHHHHHH!


I think it's a cool tune but it drove me a little nuts too. I also enjoy its rhythmic quirks. I wish I could persuade you that C is an easy key in standard. Don't give up.

Sep 14, 2021 - 6:00:12 PM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Interesting. I shouldn't go messin' with J.P. Fraley...lol. Should have known better.

Sep 15, 2021 - 4:48:45 AM
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RB-1

Netherlands

25 posts since 9/28/2020

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Maysville is driving me nuts. Not enough time to explain it all now...the chords never fit no matter how I change them around (minor or straight...neither works out well for me)...it sounds Calico-ish to me but now I'm wondering if that's gonna work...C is not my key in standard...it clutters my mind and I can't stop thinking about it....AGHHHHHHHHH!


Listened to this version and albeit a bit sparse (no real double stops) and slow  ( it could do with a bit more bounce), it sounds very do-able to me.

But for learning and playing along it seems perfect!

Later one can work up a second variation if and when there's room for a second fidlle break.

Ah...

Much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-2fbvZKrD8

Edited by - RB-1 on 09/15/2021 04:50:31

Sep 15, 2021 - 5:07:53 AM
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carlb

USA

2359 posts since 2/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Interesting. I shouldn't go messin' with J.P. Fraley...lol. Should have known better.


If you're having problem with the chords, you might try listening to my version on Banjo Hangout. I play, a lot out of chord positions, so you may be able to hear the chords I choose to hear. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like further info. I also play it on the fiddle. As far as the long spaces, when I play this with a couple of friends of mine, we've chosen to play the long spaces for four beats.

https://www.banjohangout.org/myhangout/media-player/audio_player2.asp?musicid=30809&archived=

Edited by - carlb on 09/15/2021 05:16:46

Sep 15, 2021 - 10:39:06 AM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks, Bruno and Carl...for those examples of ideas on this tune.  Carl, your banjo version is a refreshing change of attitude on this tune...thanks for sharing.  Sounds very nice.

I'm thinking the story (told by John Hartford but supposedly told to him by JP, who apparently brought the tune to the light of day in the first place) of having to haul the cured tobacco to the nearest Warehouse, from Rowan to Mason counties, to Maysville...so many tunes sound like a rolling, rocky road or a meandering stream or something...I used to get to help strip the tobacco when I was a kid...I thought that was big stuff, but actually 'bout gags you to death...the next stop was the auction at the warehouse. So...the tune, even though I've only heard it as given to the world by JP...seems the tune has a history that would possibly merge with my own family's history, although they wouldn't have attached music to it...lol...yet I'm attempting...but that's all just a bunch of jabberin'...musically...I'm all mixed up. Gonna try to stop thinking about this one if I can for a while and see if it pops back into my head again and makes more sense to me.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 09/15/2021 10:41:08

Sep 15, 2021 - 11:15:07 AM

DougD

USA

10290 posts since 12/2/2007

If I wanted to learn this tune I think I'd be listening to JP and Annadeene playing it (that's what everybody else did). Can't seem to paste the link, but its easy enough to find on YouTube.
On Erynn's version its easy to see the chords Carl is playing, but I don't know how close it is to the original.
John Hartford was quite the storyteller, as was JP - who knows how true that is. I think most farm families in this area grew some tobacco as a cash crop, but that's rare now. Mountain City used to have several warehouses, but now one is a lumber store, and the other remaining one is used to process Christmas trees for shipment.

Sep 15, 2021 - 11:40:50 AM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks Doug...great advice...stick with the original and then go on from there in getting our own versions. JP is a hard person for my ears to listen to. And C is just a bad key for me on fiddle...very pitchy and I can't make anything sound in tune.

Well but anyway, people do still grow tobacco around here, but they complain they don't make any money at it anymore...it's so weird too...nobody cuts or strips their own...they hire Mexicans to do that now...one good thing...the rural grocery stores sell a lot of Mexican food when they didn't used to...lol.

Sep 17, 2021 - 10:16:57 AM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Well here's a little update on my experiences with Maysville. Not the town, the tune. Anyway, Friday is my official Presonus Day, when I have time reserved out for recording (although sometimes I snatch a few minutes here or there during the week if there's time and I have some tune flopping around in my brain, begging to be released via playing on the presonus)...so today I went down and messed around with Maysville...I already have a backup track in C and another in F...reason being I can either try in standard tuning on fiddle in C, or Calico on viola in C, or calico on fiddle in F. Well I tried a little of all of the above today...I felt like I got pretty close on viola in C, but something is just not right between my fiddling and my backupping on both of these tracks. So...I thought about putting up the viola one in C on youtube, but listened again and didn't like the conflicts between backup and fiddling...so...back to the drawing board. I'm out of time to mess with it maybe until next Friday, unless I get some free time during the week...but whenever...I need to either play it through and match up my backup to what the fiddle does, or try the usual way (which isn't working for this tune, but works for 100 per cent of anything else I ever play), make a scratch track to base the backup instrument(s) and and make that and put the fiddle on last. Nothing has worked...I can't get them to jive together...I'll worry about it next time. Gonna take down my mp3s of my messin' around with this off of FHO because they are just so bad. Gonna start from scratch...maybe not even with a scratch track, but somehow...if I could get one solid track going and follow the idea of it with the other tracks...I might have something to share. And that's my update...and I'm outta time.

Sep 18, 2021 - 4:58:23 AM

513 posts since 9/1/2010

Hey Peggy...I uploaded a chord chart that I use for Maysville. I hope it helps.


 

Sep 18, 2021 - 5:10:36 AM
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carlb

USA

2359 posts since 2/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Gonna start from scratch...maybe not even with a scratch track, but somehow...if I could get one solid track going and follow the idea of it with the other tracks...I might have something to share. And that's my update...and I'm outta time.


Might I suggest that you record your fiddle track first and then play backup to your fiddle.

Sep 18, 2021 - 8:55:58 AM
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12377 posts since 9/23/2009

I've tried all different ways, all different instruments, all different tunings...ugh...worn out...just wasted my whole morning getting it up on youtube so i can just be done, get it out of my mind...get some maysville closure, never go back...play stuff that works for me...lol. Appreiciate all the help...I just posted on the soundoff forum my youtube...listen if you dare...it's gonna sink down into the youtube abyss and not go onto my playlist...because...well I just don't feel happy with it...i've never felt so worn out from a tune...lol. Of course, there's just a lot of other stuff going on at the moment so I think i'm not in a good psychological state for something like this tune...whatever...for whatever reason...I had to get it off my mind by recording a publishing on youtube...and now I'm done with it.

Sep 18, 2021 - 12:47 PM
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1983 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

I've tried all different ways, all different instruments, all different tunings...ugh...worn out...just wasted my whole morning getting it up on youtube so i can just be done, get it out of my mind...get some maysville closure, never go back...play stuff that works for me...lol. Appreiciate all the help...I just posted on the soundoff forum my youtube...listen if you dare...it's gonna sink down into the youtube abyss and not go onto my playlist...because...well I just don't feel happy with it...i've never felt so worn out from a tune...lol. Of course, there's just a lot of other stuff going on at the moment so I think i'm not in a good psychological state for something like this tune...whatever...for whatever reason...I had to get it off my mind by recording a publishing on youtube...and now I'm done with it.


Maysville has been haunting me for a week, too. After what 's been said here on the forum I decided after transcribing John Hartford's version to also transcribe JP Fraley's more seminal version. To my befuddlement JP Fraley's version turned out to be a measure (4 beats) shorter than Hartford's. Now, I really like some of Hartford's phrases and they've been going through my head when I lie sleepless at night. Now that I've changed everything I'm hoping to play it with elements of both. But of course the timing and chords on the B part will be Fraley's. Eventually.

Edited by - Brian Wood on 09/18/2021 12:48:37

Sep 18, 2021 - 1:57:18 PM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

Yes, Happy Halloween…Maysville haunts the innocent fiddlers who dare to look that way…lol. I was having the same exoeriences. I think I’m finally over the curse of Maysville now…whew!

Sep 18, 2021 - 2:03:20 PM

12377 posts since 9/23/2009

I’m thinking John Hartford created his version more from Clyde Davenport than JP Farley, but I wouldn’t sear to anything.

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