It's good you have found a way to work on your skills like that. I don't think I'd have the patience to write it all out like that.

There's a free download of etudes you can get. The ones I've played so far I think are fun to play. imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_...n,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz) I think you could modify them to sound more like fiddle tunes and of course do your own bowings for them. They have a bunch of bowing suggestions at the beginning. These etude non-tune tunes kind of help you not get hung up on the melody and focus on other things.

My link did not work. Let me use the rich text thing. https://imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_the_Violin,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz)

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My link did not work. Let me use the rich text thing. https://imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_the_Violin,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz)

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Yes, I've played out of that years ago.. What I'm posting is pretty specific to OT, but any etude will help..it is all about the bow...but you already know that.. The two patterns I've listed are the shuffle Pattern (not exactly the shuffle Sound) and the Play Three-Slur Three.. Pogo probably had a name for that.. The Play three-slur three is my favorite pattern for getting through notey tunes smoothly..

I will have to try it. Play three slur three, but then there are two leftover??

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I will have to try it. Play three slur three, but then there are two leftover??

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It is actually, Play Three-SLur Three, Play Two..!!!  I originally came across it in Celtic music..but it works really well in OT...The lower two lines are just shuffle Pattern...The important thing to remember is that the Slur three is ALWAYS an up stroke..

I also practice Two UP, two Down,   and other times practice playing tunes with Saw Shuffle, which is all saw strokes with emphasis or double stop on the third of each four notes... Any  practice with just Bowing is invaluable IMO..

I'm so embarrassed. I just found out that Goldilocks..is only One word, not two.

All saw strokes? My friend plays like that. It sounds fine. I cannot do it with any speed. I do not know how to play fast. I just cannot do it and this seems universal to almost any instrument. I can play fastest on mandolin but I still cannot play as fast as a lot of people can play.

Thanks for sharing, this looks great,
I saved this to practice!

I'm confounded by time signature....
let's see, is it played like two triplets and two eighth notes, so count it in 3?
beat 1 - triplet
beat 2 - triplet
beat 3 - two eighth notes
So I would guess time sig is 3 over 4. ( Not sure though :-)

There are eight eighth notes per bar, so its in 4/4. No triplets. At least that's how its written.

The confusion had to do with how you beamed the notes together. When three notes share a beam they are read as either a triplet (or one beat as in a jig, 6/8 time, in fact your first two parts read like an odd slip jig ) The sets of 4 notes beamed together look/read better. Probably a double beam is needed for four notes to a beat.

THIS will clear things up...Here is Sugar Hill played using PlayThree_slurThree play two (poor audio!! but it is  just a demo) ..  I'll let those of you who know more about transcribing than I do explain the time signature..PLEASE..

Dang.. shoulda' used my metronome!!

If I was to come across sheet music similar to what I posted (and I have) , I'd play it one beat=one note, very slowly.. and do that until my body understood the flow and my hand had the slurs going smoothly..

Nice to find some etudes that have been helpful. Thanks for sharing these.

My occasional fiddle coach introduced me to the Dancla (Opus 84) Etudes #2 #3 etc.  Wicked intervals, 4th finger notes and constant string changes....sort of like bad tasting medicine. But I'm starting to sound less than awful at it, so it must be good for me...

My luthier used to keep the Wohlfahrt etude book open on a stand in his shop and sometimes we would try one or two when I visited. They seemed pretty "musical" to me.

Just said goodbye to Hangout member DulcimerBill, who traveled from Louisville to spent a day jamminging/busking/learning./teaching.. It is a LOT easier do demonstrate these etudes in person than it is to make a demo or to put it in tab... I hope that at least one person has learned something from this.

A great weekend. And a great lesson. Thanks again.

I'm curious. Have any of you tried to play this? Have you had success?

I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!

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I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!

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I'm not knocking it if it works for you. After I learned some basic bowing patterns I stopped thinking about it. I really like bowing freely. Occasionally I'll work on bowing in a tough spot but not an entire tune, except sometimes jig-bowing. But for old-time tunes my bow seems to know what to do. Most of my thinking goes to my left hand.

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I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!

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I'm not knocking it if it works for you. After I learned some basic bowing patterns I stopped thinking about it. I really like bowing freely. Occasionally I'll work on bowing in a tough spot but not an entire tune, except sometimes jig-bowing. But for old-time tunes my bow seems to know what to do. Most of my thinking goes to my left hand.

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Can't argue with that.. this is an EXERCISE in bowing,  NOT  how to play the tune. Everyone forgets that..

I gave the first one a go yesterday. Fun! Not being a great sight reader it took a few goes to get the hang of it, but can see the value of training my bow hand.

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I gave the first one a go yesterday. Fun! Not being a great sight reader it took a few goes to get the hang of it, but can see the value of training my bow hand.

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Good to hear you are enjoying the challenge!!!

I love this bowing pattern!
I think this bowing pattern already sounds more "fiddley" than my usual playing.

But I was playing it like a weird sounding jig (using triplets) and it sounds NOTHING like your MP3, which I just checked out
So I will have to go back and have another try, changing my counting...!

Thanks again for posting :-)

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I love this bowing pattern!
I think this bowing pattern already sounds more "fiddley" than my usual playing.

But I was playing it like a weird sounding jig (using triplets) and it sounds NOTHING like your MP3, which I just checked out
So I will have to go back and have another try, changing my counting...!

Thanks again for posting :-)

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Be sure to note that the second two lines of music are using the Long-short-short pattern..another important way to use one's bow......That would  normally be called the Nashville Shuffle BUT in this case the pattern is being used not as a shuffle but as a way of moving through the notes smoothly...The more ways you challenge you bow the more creative you'll be......Should you really 'get' into these, I'll send you on more good one.. Also, if I've played that demo too fast, I can send you a recording of it being played slowly.....Glad you are enjoying the music. Cheers.

BTW, the demo mp3 is based on the tune Sugar Hill and the sheet music is based on ANOTHER, intentionally unnamed tune...I left it unnamed so you'd not be having preconceived ideas about how the music should sound. Just play the Notes... Once you can play the music, THEN the tune it is based upon will be evident.