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Aug 27, 2021 - 11:55:30 AM
9490 posts since 3/19/2009

Often when it is slow while busking, I'll challenge myself by adapting a tune to fit a bowing pattern as an exercise in bowing..Someone asked how that works... Well here is an etude I made to demonstrate what it is I do.. I do several other things for practice. Today I focused on playing tunes on two strings all the way through just to see how they sound and to see what works and what doesn't..
Anyway.. You'll notice that there is no NAME on the etude. That is because the tune itself is NOT important since this is a BOWING exercise..Of course as you play it you'll quickly hear what tune it is based on..
I'm not the best transcriber as you'll find out quickly..

This is like Goldie Locks ...For some it will be too easy, for others it will be too hard, but for SOME  it will be JUST WHAT they need to be doing at this time. Enjoy


Aug 27, 2021 - 4:09:38 PM

755 posts since 8/10/2017

It's good you have found a way to work on your skills like that. I don't think I'd have the patience to write it all out like that.

There's a free download of etudes you can get. The ones I've played so far I think are fun to play. imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_...n,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz) I think you could modify them to sound more like fiddle tunes and of course do your own bowings for them. They have a bunch of bowing suggestions at the beginning. These etude non-tune tunes kind of help you not get hung up on the melody and focus on other things.

Aug 27, 2021 - 4:37:15 PM

755 posts since 8/10/2017

My link did not work. Let me use the rich text thing. https://imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_the_Violin,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz)

Aug 27, 2021 - 5:52:50 PM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by sbhikes2

My link did not work. Let me use the rich text thing. https://imslp.org/wiki/60_Studies_for_the_Violin,_Op.45_(Wohlfahrt,_Franz)


Yes, I've played out of that years ago.. What I'm posting is pretty specific to OT, but any etude will help..it is all about the bow...but you already know that.. The two patterns I've listed are the shuffle Pattern (not exactly the shuffle Sound) and the Play Three-Slur Three.. Pogo probably had a name for that.. The Play three-slur three is my favorite pattern for getting through notey tunes smoothly..

Aug 27, 2021 - 6:05:20 PM

755 posts since 8/10/2017

I will have to try it. Play three slur three, but then there are two leftover??

Aug 27, 2021 - 6:13:57 PM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by sbhikes2

I will have to try it. Play three slur three, but then there are two leftover??


It is actually, Play Three-SLur Three, Play Two..!!!  I originally came across it in Celtic music..but it works really well in OT...The lower two lines are just shuffle Pattern...The important thing to remember is that the Slur three is ALWAYS an up stroke..

 

I also practice Two UP, two Down,   and other times practice playing tunes with Saw Shuffle, which is all saw strokes with emphasis or double stop on the third of each four notes... Any  practice with just Bowing is invaluable IMO..

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/27/2021 18:14:41

Aug 27, 2021 - 6:34:22 PM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

I'm so embarrassed. I just found out that Goldilocks..is only One word, not two.

Aug 27, 2021 - 7:02:16 PM

755 posts since 8/10/2017

All saw strokes? My friend plays like that. It sounds fine. I cannot do it with any speed. I do not know how to play fast. I just cannot do it and this seems universal to almost any instrument. I can play fastest on mandolin but I still cannot play as fast as a lot of people can play.

Aug 28, 2021 - 8:44:55 AM

119 posts since 7/30/2021

Thanks for sharing, this looks great,
I saved this to practice!

I'm confounded by time signature....
let's see, is it played like two triplets and two eighth notes, so count it in 3?
beat 1 - triplet
beat 2 - triplet
beat 3 - two eighth notes
So I would guess time sig is 3 over 4. ( Not sure though :-)

Aug 28, 2021 - 9:21:31 AM
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DougD

USA

10334 posts since 12/2/2007

There are eight eighth notes per bar, so its in 4/4. No triplets. At least that's how its written.

Aug 28, 2021 - 9:49:09 AM
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5501 posts since 9/26/2008

The confusion had to do with how you beamed the notes together. When three notes share a beam they are read as either a triplet (or one beat as in a jig, 6/8 time, in fact your first two parts read like an odd slip jig laugh) The sets of 4 notes beamed together look/read better. Probably a double beam is needed for four notes to a beat.

Edited by - ChickenMan on 08/28/2021 09:50:30

Aug 28, 2021 - 9:54:38 AM
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9490 posts since 3/19/2009

THIS will clear things up...Here is Sugar Hill played using PlayThree_slurThree play two (poor audio!! but it is  just a demo) ..  I'll let those of you who know more about transcribing than I do explain the time signature..PLEASE..

Dang.. shoulda' used my metronome!!


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/28/2021 10:05:54

Aug 28, 2021 - 10:32:47 AM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

If I was to come across sheet music similar to what I posted (and I have) , I'd play it one beat=one note, very slowly.. and do that until my body understood the flow and my hand had the slurs going smoothly..

Aug 28, 2021 - 3:51:23 PM
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JonD

USA

35 posts since 2/12/2021

Nice to find some etudes that have been helpful. Thanks for sharing these.

My occasional fiddle coach introduced me to the Dancla (Opus 84) Etudes #2 #3 etc.  Wicked intervals, 4th finger notes and constant string changes....sort of like bad tasting medicine. But I'm starting to sound less than awful at it, so it must be good for me...

Edited by - JonD on 08/28/2021 16:03:35

Aug 28, 2021 - 4:24:39 PM
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DougD

USA

10334 posts since 12/2/2007

My luthier used to keep the Wohlfahrt etude book open on a stand in his shop and sometimes we would try one or two when I visited. They seemed pretty "musical" to me.

Aug 29, 2021 - 8:29:08 AM
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9490 posts since 3/19/2009

Just said goodbye to Hangout member DulcimerBill, who traveled from Louisville to spent a day jamminging/busking/learning./teaching.. It is a LOT easier do demonstrate these etudes in person than it is to make a demo or to put it in tab... I hope that at least one person has learned something from this.

Aug 29, 2021 - 1:43:14 PM
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48 posts since 3/28/2015

A great weekend. And a great lesson. Thanks again.

Aug 30, 2021 - 8:05:13 AM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

I'm curious. Have any of you tried to play this? Have you had success?

Aug 31, 2021 - 11:52:48 AM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!wink

Aug 31, 2021 - 2:50:51 PM
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2009 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!wink


I'm not knocking it if it works for you. After I learned some basic bowing patterns I stopped thinking about it. I really like bowing freely. Occasionally I'll work on bowing in a tough spot but not an entire tune, except sometimes jig-bowing. But for old-time tunes my bow seems to know what to do. Most of my thinking goes to my left hand.

Aug 31, 2021 - 5:18:13 PM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wood
quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

I busked today and played several tunes with Only the play three-slur three method.. C'mon you are missing out on all of the fun and interesting sounds you can get with this..!!wink


I'm not knocking it if it works for you. After I learned some basic bowing patterns I stopped thinking about it. I really like bowing freely. Occasionally I'll work on bowing in a tough spot but not an entire tune, except sometimes jig-bowing. But for old-time tunes my bow seems to know what to do. Most of my thinking goes to my left hand.


Can't argue with that.. this is an EXERCISE in bowing,  NOT  how to play the tune. Everyone forgets that..wink

Sep 1, 2021 - 8:42:32 AM
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JonD

USA

35 posts since 2/12/2021

I gave the first one a go yesterday. Fun! Not being a great sight reader it took a few goes to get the hang of it, but can see the value of training my bow hand.

Sep 1, 2021 - 10:38:08 AM
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9490 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by JonD

I gave the first one a go yesterday. Fun! Not being a great sight reader it took a few goes to get the hang of it, but can see the value of training my bow hand.


Good to hear you are enjoying the challenge!!!

Sep 1, 2021 - 9:40:01 PM
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119 posts since 7/30/2021

I love this bowing pattern!
I think this bowing pattern already sounds more "fiddley" than my usual playing.

But I was playing it like a weird sounding jig (using triplets) and it sounds NOTHING like your MP3, which I just checked out
So I will have to go back and have another try, changing my counting...!

Thanks again for posting :-)

Sep 2, 2021 - 4:59:48 AM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by NCnotes

I love this bowing pattern!
I think this bowing pattern already sounds more "fiddley" than my usual playing.

But I was playing it like a weird sounding jig (using triplets) and it sounds NOTHING like your MP3, which I just checked out
So I will have to go back and have another try, changing my counting...!

Thanks again for posting :-)


Be sure to note that the second two lines of music are using the Long-short-short pattern..another important way to use one's bow......That would  normally be called the Nashville Shuffle BUT in this case the pattern is being used not as a shuffle but as a way of moving through the notes smoothly...The more ways you challenge you bow the more creative you'll be......Should you really 'get' into these, I'll send you on more good one.. Also, if I've played that demo too fast, I can send you a recording of it being played slowly.....Glad you are enjoying the music. Cheers.

Sep 2, 2021 - 6:05:49 AM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

BTW, the demo mp3 is based on the tune Sugar Hill and the sheet music is based on ANOTHER, intentionally unnamed tune...I left it unnamed so you'd not be having preconceived ideas about how the music should sound. Just play the Notes... Once you can play the music, THEN the tune it is based upon will be evident.

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