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Jul 29, 2021 - 12:08:37 PM
12314 posts since 9/23/2009

My Presonus hasn't worked right for months...since before I broke my arm. It's getting worse all the time...today I FINALLY had some time because storms are predicted...so I got everything else done and ran down to record the song going through my head for days now...Old Yeller Dog Come a-Trottin' through the Meetin' House...just gotta do it...not just sittin by myself with one instrumnent...I wanna put my banjo, fiddle, bass, guitar, several voices, etc. That's how I like to play now...I can't just do one thing at a time anymore...I wanna get in there and sing and play with the other groundhogs.

But gradually the thing has acted worse and worse...today...total waste of time. I was already in a bad mood from never playing...spent a long time getting a scratch track on there with solid enough rhythm to carry me through it all...then, as I was adding the banjo, trying to get a good clawhammer snap going with that scratch track to just set up a fun time ahead putting on the tracks...then BLAM...suddenly the scratch track disappeared.

I put the banjo down and picked up the guitar and started all over again...to me, getting a solid rhythmic scratch track to carry you through it all is the hardest part...I can't play with a metronome too good, so I have to concentrate, keep my mind on nothing but the rhythm, how many verses, etc., just keeping it all together. So I tried again...losing my concentration some this time. Tried again...tried again...they kept disappearing, although the recording blobs were still present on the screen...so you just had to go through the entire scratch track to hear it disappear after you were done recording the whole thing...yet you could still watch it go along with its little blobs.

Now I'm really feeling grouchy. This is the ONLY way I play music anymore...having nowhere, nobody to play with...just enjoy playing the parts missing in real life...it's fun to sing with harmonies and just play along with that ol' clawhammer and get the fiddle going with it all.

Daggone...I'm just not happy about this. Now it's time to get started on other obligations today...my time for music is over and all I did was waste my time and get upset.

Not happy. I'm just so tired of fighting with that thing.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 07/29/2021 12:11:26

Jul 29, 2021 - 12:36:10 PM

DougD

USA

10258 posts since 12/2/2007

Peggy, are you trying to do this with a Chromebook? I've never looked at them, but that might not be powerful enough for the job. Did you start with that when your old computer died? What happened to your old one? Maybe you should take a look at it and see if you can get it working again.
Also, you could try uninstalling and reinstalling the software. I think the version of Studio One you have is pretty old. You can download the simplest version of Studio One for free, which I did awhile back just to see what its like, and its version 5. It seemed to work fine, but it was just a simple test because I'm not really interested in multitrack recording with a computer.
Here's the page for Studio One 5 Prime if you're interested:
shop.presonus.com/Studio-One-5-Prime

Edited by - DougD on 07/29/2021 12:53:48

Jul 29, 2021 - 2:01:22 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks Doug. I've gone through three windows computers since using my Presonus...I think it eats computers. The weird thing is the first computer lasted through hundreds of recordings I made. The second one, more powerful than the first, didn't last as long as the first. This one we have now, more powerful than either one of the others, seems to be being eaten up alive by the Presonus machine. Every time I try is another battle that takes all day...Presonus is keeping score and winning the most battles.

Jul 29, 2021 - 2:44:24 PM

2392 posts since 10/22/2007

With these huge solid state drives/memories, there should be a software that one could create hundreds of tracks for the same project. Like a 500 track multi-track recorder. Sounds simple. Everything has screaming clock speeds as well. Should be zero latency. What am I missing?

Jul 29, 2021 - 3:21:53 PM
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Now, I have to be sure and set my input AND output to the fosrite (my interface for plugging the mics into computer) when I turn on the audacity program. It defaults to the computer and doesn't work for playback through the headphones. Could this be what's happening - an output path is going the wrong way?

Jul 29, 2021 - 4:19:18 PM
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RichJ

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534 posts since 8/6/2013

Peggy - you wrote the following above:
Tried again...tried again...they kept disappearing, although the recording blobs were still present on the screen...so you just had to go through the entire scratch track to hear it disappear after you were done recording the whole thing...yet you could still watch it go along with its little blobs.

If you see those "recording blobs" it means your audio tracks are still there, but apparently you can't hear them. What kind of audio connection do you have to the Presonus box - headphones or speakers? Could there be a problem with your headphones or the headphone connections?  As far as Studio One goes, and you may know stuff like this so please excuse me for over simplifying -  on the left side of each recording tract are a bunch of buttons. One of these will mute the tract. Are any of those little mute buttons lit? It might be helpful if you could take a picture of your Studio One screen for the recordings you made today and send it here. Maybe someone could take a look at your Presonus panel and see what's causing the problem. Just a thought.

Jul 29, 2021 - 4:54:57 PM

DougD

USA

10258 posts since 12/2/2007

Yes, if you see the "recording blobs" (AKA "waveform") then the recording is there and the problem has to do with the way the output is routed, as Billy suggested, or its muted, like Rich said. I really don't know Studio One, but most of these programs have a mixer, and maybe you need to look at that. Also, does your interface have a knob that chooses input vs. computer output, for latency free recording? Depending on your connection setup you might need to rotate that to hear the recorded tracks.
I really doubt that your Presonus is "eating" your computers, but there are often a lot of options and "quirks" that can cause problems.

Edited by - DougD on 07/29/2021 16:55:59

Jul 29, 2021 - 7:01:44 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

I don't know. Our computers keep crashing anymore. We have used the last three for Presonus recording ONLY...we use Chromebooks for everything else. I don't get what's happening. It didin't happen this way at first...as I said...I'd made several hundred recordings before the first computer crashed.

I fixed the latency thing, nothing is muted, I use headphones and they work on my chromebook, I don't know. I don't understand why suddenly, now with this latest, best computer we've had...it has never worked right...driving me totally nuts.

If I had pickin' pals I'd be ok...but there ain't nobody but me, presonus, and youtube...that's why it drives me crazy. I don't know what else to do. It worked before, but suddenly after that first computer crash a couple of years ago, it's never worked right, crashed another computer and has just gotten worse all the time.

Jul 30, 2021 - 3:59:57 AM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Missed my chance to play. Back to concrete work and catching up with the garden today.

Jul 30, 2021 - 6:14:33 AM
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RichJ

USA

534 posts since 8/6/2013

When I purchased my Presonus machine I recall the instructions saying something like a Presonus box being the same as adding a souped up sound card to your computer. I don't keep my Presonus connected to my computer all the time. I only connect it when I'm going to record. If I happen to plug it in and start Studio One while the Chrome browser is open on a YT channel or my Strum Machine app is running, the audio quits working for YT and SM. To get these to work again I have to disconnect Presonus and Studio One, close both Chrome browser and the SM app, then re-plug in Presonus and restart Studio One. Once these are working again I can open Chrome and SM and audio for both will work. Don't ask me to explain why. Maybe it has something to do with the computer not knowing where to send audio when Presonus is plugged in and that souped up sound card kicks in and starts working with other computer stuff???

Jul 30, 2021 - 10:20:09 AM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

I keep mine disconnected all the time...maybe I read that too when I first got it...can't remember why I did, but it's my habit. I connect it only when I'm getting ready to use the doggone thing.

Well I have a few minutes here this afternoon and I'm tempted to try it again...lol...half scared to at this point anymore. I need a full pot of coffee to even try...lol.

Jul 30, 2021 - 11:06:59 AM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Well for the last 45 minutes I have tried everything...turn everything off, unplug everything, make sure all settings are right, try again...through tears and agony and fear...lol...yes I fear not having access to multi-track recording. Every time I opened it up I had to click "accept" terms and all that...this is the first time for that. Plus I record and see the lights and blobs telling me it clips, but ... no sound no matter what I connect, disconnect, cry over or what. Mike says time to buy a new recording box...I don't wanna take a chance and waste money on something that's just a stupid hobby for me and might not work once we get it. Don't know what to do.

Jul 30, 2021 - 11:40:51 AM
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Peggy can you hear media otherwise, like playing video or a tune, does the sound come through?

Before you buy a new box, download Audacity; it’s free and should still recognize your Presonus box thing, with less frustration I bet. Even when things are going right recording is stressful. I guess that’s part of the fun of it.

Each time I have some globules and blobiods in a track that I like, I save them to the recording. When I pull it back up, the globules and blobiods always seem to be there. With every little change or addition I make, I save it. It’s a little extra work but it has been a good policy for me.

Jul 30, 2021 - 11:44:12 AM

RichJ

USA

534 posts since 8/6/2013

I wouldn't just go out and buy a new Presonus. If your machine and the version of Studio One you have are registered you should be able to get help here

https://www.presonus.com/support/Contact-Technical-Support

If you can do this through a chat connection I suggest doing it that way.  Chat is slower but, I found this allows more time to understand what the tech person is saying. Sometime these people talk so fast it's hard to understand. Hope this helps. 

Jul 30, 2021 - 12:01:39 PM

DougD

USA

10258 posts since 12/2/2007

I hesitate to give advice, since I'm not really that familiar with Studio One, and you never seem to try anything I suggest anyway, but....
1. Uninstall and reinstall the software (only if you have a disk or means to reinstall of course).
2. You could contact Presonus, or ask the community on their user forums. There are lots of video tutorials here and there, but since the version you are trying to use is almost 10 years old, probably not much will apply.
3. Download and install Studio One 5 Prime at the link I provided. Its free, so what have you got to lose? I did this and it seems to work fine.
4. Try another DAW program like Audacity.
5. As a last resort, you could buy a new interface, although I doubt your troubles are from the hardware. The Presonus Audiobox is only (!) about 100 bucks and it comes with the Artist version of Studio One, which is that much by itself. Buy from someplace like Sweetwater where a real sales associate can advise you, not Amazon. If they see you as a potential customer they may be able to help you with your problem if you can describe it in terms they can understand.

I've said this before, but I think a computer, especially a Windows PC, is a klutzy way to record. You could look at something like a Tascam digital Portastudio which is a real, tactile device.
Or you could do like I do and just fiddle every once in awhile on the back porch, but I know that's not your goal.

PS - I see others have given good advice while I was pondering, but I don't think they understand how out of date your version of Studio One is, as far as getting help.

Edited by - DougD on 07/30/2021 12:05:19

Jul 30, 2021 - 3:07:25 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

We just updated that studio one...and it's never behaved like it used to. Anyway, Mike ran through and did all that stuff I had done for an hour or so and still didn't get anywhere with it.

But now we have a bigger issue...truck broke down suddenly. We are almost done with phase 1 of our concrete work we gotta do since they paved the road, to stop water damage and such...we will need a lot more concrete as we go along. Now we gotta get the truck running again...lol...just one doggone thing after another.

Whatever is wrong with the Presonus will have to wait.

Jul 30, 2021 - 5:09:05 PM

DougD

USA

10258 posts since 12/2/2007

Peggy, when you updated your Studio One I thought you said it was to version 2. Maybe you misread something, or I misunderstood you. In any case, my little free Prime program just updated to version 5.3 and still works fine.
If your program is version 5 there should be plenty of help available. I've told you all I know. I have two interfaces - a Presonus Firepod (8 channels) and a Yamaha GO46. Both are Firewire, not USB, and I don't have a working computer with Firewire right now, so I'm not using them, and never did very much - as I've said I really dislike multitrack recording on a PC.
I understand your priorities. Good luck with the steps.

Edited by - DougD on 07/30/2021 17:11:01

Jul 30, 2021 - 6:35:51 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks all you guys.

Doug, when we updated it went to Studio One 2, I think it was. Maybe we didn't see 5 or whatever, i don't know...we'll have to get all that stuff...passwords, key and all that and try again. If that doesn't improve things, I'm not sure what to do next. First the truck...lol...we depend on that truck for getting a lot of stuff done up and down the road...gotta be fixed. It's a 2003 Ranger Edge...they don't make those anymore...nice little work truck.

Old Yeller Dog won't have time to come a -trottin' through the meetin' house for a while...although I've seen it in real life two or three times...lol...usually more like a beagle-type. Anyhow...I'll try updating again before I do anything more drastic.

Mike was ready to buy a new one and a Mac computer a little while ago...lol...we can't afford to blow anymore funds on my expensive music hobby. I guess he knows how addicted to all of it I am these days. About to drive me crazy...just one thing after another...but I'll look for Studio One 5 and see if I can get that on there...one of these days when I've got time to try again.

Jul 30, 2021 - 6:38:05 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Randy, to answer your question...no...I can't ever hear anything on this computer. Can't hear my youtubes...I have to run back upstairs and see if they got on there ok with the chromebook and headphones...Chromebook has horrible speakers. The computer has nice speakers we bought but I can't hear anything through them anymore. It just gradually all stopped working. The headphones work on the recordings, but once they are exported...it all goes silent.

Jul 30, 2021 - 7:22:23 PM
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There's the problem

Jul 30, 2021 - 8:17:07 PM
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Can you check the audio manager setting first? The way to do that is –

With the computer turned on but with no programs open, look on your tool bar for a little arrow point that is pointing upward. It is usually near time and date area. If you see that, click on it and a small box will show up. Look there for the small speaker symbol and double click on that. A window will open showing your speaker manager setting. The little slide bar should be set on at least 75. Then x out or click okay.

Jul 31, 2021 - 4:44:48 AM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

I'll see if I can find that next time. We are so busy with other stuff at the moment, I rarely have time to sit down and play, but I will try all of these things next time I get the opportunity.

Thanks again, all!

Aug 4, 2021 - 10:10:08 AM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

Well I had a few minutes here today and tried to update studio one…all I saw was stuff you could buy,..I thought the updates should be free.

Well then anyway I changed out the head phone jack…because it records but you can’t hear it…no luck…turned on the speakers…I heard it coming through those, but when I tried it again couldn’t hear anything…unplugged everything and turned everything back on, like I’ve done a million times…no luck. Looked on google and saw a lot of people have the same issue with studio one, but saw no answers to amount to anything…and now I’m outta “recording time” for this day…no luck at all.

Aug 4, 2021 - 10:28:56 AM

DougD

USA

10258 posts since 12/2/2007

To update from Studio One 1 or 2 to version 3, 4 or 5 is 50 bucks. What is free is Studio One Prime, version 5 (or now 5.3). That's what I did and it seems to work fine and I think would be quite adequate for what you're trying to do (although I don't have a USB interface). I think its actually the same program but the product key they send you only unlocks a certain feature set.
I think I know what your problem is, but I don't have time to explain now. More later hopefully.
PS- What do you mean by "changed out the headphone jack?" Where are you plugging in your headphones and speakers?

Edited by - DougD on 08/04/2021 10:31:39

Aug 4, 2021 - 4:08:01 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

I don't know the sizes, but the headphones have a small jack and you have to plug that into a bigger one to go into the spot for it on Presonus. I just thought maybe the connection went bad or the jack went bad or something.

I went to where it says update on the thing that comes up when you wanna record, but the updates all cost money that I saw...how do you find the free one? Mine is 2.something or other I noticed today. Can't remember how we ended up with that, but it was when one computer went kaplooey and we switched computers...just about 5 or 6 months ago.

Aug 4, 2021 - 4:08:35 PM

12314 posts since 9/23/2009

This would all be so much easier if I knew what anything was called...lol.

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