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Jul 9, 2021 - 6:30:24 PM
47 posts since 3/16/2021

Read the fine print!

I've always dealt with International Violin. Since 1988. When I ordered purfling I always got enough to do one violin with about a foot left over for mistakes. For $3.00. Some purfling that Stewmac carries caught my eye, 4 layers alternating black and white. Making a non-standard instrument, thought it would be a nice touch to go with bone nut and saddle and antique machine tuners.

But no. What I got for $5.50 was one piece 32 inches long. It takes 40 inches to purfle one side! I just assumed, naive me, that one order would be enough to make one instrument, as it's always been. Not so. So I have 3 options, since I've routed the purfling groove for the non-standard width of this purfling. I can spring $26 and order 2 more pieces, with shipping, throw the top away and make another one for standard purfling, or make purfling to fit the groove I have cut.

I admit, I should have gone into the transaction suspicious and alert that that I might not be ordering what I thought I was, but I'm not used to that.

Jul 10, 2021 - 3:59:26 AM

DougD

USA

10334 posts since 12/2/2007

I had to check on this, since although I haven't ordered from Stew Mac too often I've always been happy with their products. I don't know exactly what you bought, but the 4 layer purfling I found states quite clearly that its 31 1/2 " long. Keep in mind that Stew Mac is definitely geared towards guitar building, with only a small selection of violin parts and supplies. Their only violin purfling set is 38 1/4" long and it says clearly that "One set of purfling is enough for one violin."

Edited by - DougD on 07/10/2021 04:05:01

Jul 10, 2021 - 7:39:10 AM

DougD

USA

10334 posts since 12/2/2007

I should add that I think 38 1/4" is only enough for the front or back of a violin, not the whole instrument, so I'm with you that Stew Mac is inaccurate about that.

Jul 10, 2021 - 7:56:26 AM

868 posts since 1/25/2008

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

I had to check on this, since although I haven't ordered from Stew Mac too often I've always been happy with their products. I don't know exactly what you bought, but the 4 layer purfling I found states quite clearly that its 31 1/2 " long. Keep in mind that Stew Mac is definitely geared towards guitar building, with only a small selection of violin parts and supplies. Their only violin purfling set is 38 1/4" long and it says clearly that "One set of purfling is enough for one violin."


Ditto on all of that! The size is stated clearly in the description.

" I just assumed "

Well, you know what they say when you "ASS U ME".

Jul 10, 2021 - 12:24:32 PM

marcusb

USA

47 posts since 11/27/2011

They are local to me. The founder/owner recently sold the company to an investment group. Lots of life long employees jumped ship. I have noticed prices have went up and offerings have went down. They used to make most products locally. No longer the case. Way of the world sadly.

Jul 10, 2021 - 7:03:04 PM

46davis

USA

47 posts since 3/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by FiddleDoug
quote:
Originally posted by DougD

I had to check on this, since although I haven't ordered from Stew Mac too often I've always been happy with their products. I don't know exactly what you bought, but the 4 layer purfling I found states quite clearly that its 31 1/2 " long. Keep in mind that Stew Mac is definitely geared towards guitar building, with only a small selection of violin parts and supplies. Their only violin purfling set is 38 1/4" long and it says clearly that "One set of purfling is enough for one violin."


Ditto on all of that! The size is stated clearly in the description.

" I just assumed "

Well, you know what they say when you "ASS U ME".


Jul 10, 2021 - 7:05:51 PM

46davis

USA

47 posts since 3/16/2021

Industry practice for as long as I can remember is to sell something in a quantity for one instrument. As it's been industry practice to put a dozen eggs in a carton. It's like putting four eggs in the carton and marking the carton clearly, "contains four eggs." Caveat emptor should have no place in this trade.

Edited by - 46davis on 07/10/2021 19:07:19

Jul 10, 2021 - 7:06:16 PM

46davis

USA

47 posts since 3/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by marcusb

They are local to me. The founder/owner recently sold the company to an investment group. Lots of life long employees jumped ship. I have noticed prices have went up and offerings have went down. They used to make most products locally. No longer the case. Way of the world sadly.


That fits.

Jul 10, 2021 - 7:34:29 PM

868 posts since 1/25/2008

quote:
Originally posted by 46davis

Industry practice for as long as I can remember is to sell something in a quantity for one instrument. As it's been industry practice to put a dozen eggs in a carton. It's like putting four eggs in the carton and marking the carton clearly, "contains four eggs." Caveat emptor should have no place in this trade.


Well, I guess that I've never seen 4-stripe purfling on a violin, and it just says for instruments (doesn't specify violin), so maybe it was for something else. Here's a chart on the Stew-Mac site that tells how much purfling you need for different guitar parts.  Caveat emptor!

https://www.stewmac.com/video-and-ideas/online-resources/how-to-install-and-repair-instrument-binding-and-purfling/how-much-purfling.html

Edited by - FiddleDoug on 07/10/2021 19:38:18

Jul 12, 2021 - 10:30:08 AM

1 posts since 7/12/2021

quote:
Originally posted by 46davis

Read the fine print!

I've always dealt with International Violin. Since 1988. When I ordered purfling I always got enough to do one violin with about a foot left over for mistakes. For $3.00. Some purfling that Stewmac carries caught my eye, 4 layers alternating black and white. Making a non-standard instrument, thought it would be a nice touch to go with bone nut and saddle and antique machine tuners.

But no. What I got for $5.50 was one piece 32 inches long. It takes 40 inches to purfle one side! I just assumed, naive me, that one order would be enough to make one instrument, as it's always been. Not so. So I have 3 options, since I've routed the purfling groove for the non-standard width of this purfling. I can spring $26 and order 2 more pieces, with shipping, throw the top away and make another one for standard purfling, or make purfling to fit the groove I have cut.

I admit, I should have gone into the transaction suspicious and alert that that I might not be ordering what I thought I was, but I'm not used to that.


I made an account to plainly say what others are gently saying:

 

Caveat Emptor = You're an idiot, and doubling down only makes you look more foolish. 

 

I could go point by point, using your idiotic egg carton reference (you can get eggs in 4s and 6s and 12s and 18s and so on) but it would be pointless. 

 

This is my first and will be my last post here. 

 

Idiot. 

Jul 12, 2021 - 10:45:46 AM

46davis

USA

47 posts since 3/16/2021

quote:
Originally posted by BenjaminTellsTheTruth
quote:
Originally posted by 46davis

Read the fine print!

I've always dealt with International Violin. Since 1988. When I ordered purfling I always got enough to do one violin with about a foot left over for mistakes. For $3.00. Some purfling that Stewmac carries caught my eye, 4 layers alternating black and white. Making a non-standard instrument, thought it would be a nice touch to go with bone nut and saddle and antique machine tuners.

But no. What I got for $5.50 was one piece 32 inches long. It takes 40 inches to purfle one side! I just assumed, naive me, that one order would be enough to make one instrument, as it's always been. Not so. So I have 3 options, since I've routed the purfling groove for the non-standard width of this purfling. I can spring $26 and order 2 more pieces, with shipping, throw the top away and make another one for standard purfling, or make purfling to fit the groove I have cut.

I admit, I should have gone into the transaction suspicious and alert that that I might not be ordering what I thought I was, but I'm not used to that.


I made an account to plainly say what others are gently saying:

 

Caveat Emptor = You're an idiot, and doubling down only makes you look more foolish. 

 

I could go point by point, using your idiotic egg carton reference (you can get eggs in 4s and 6s and 12s and 18s and so on) but it would be pointless. 

 

This is my first and will be my last post here. 

 

Idiot. 


Jul 12, 2021 - 10:46:37 AM
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46davis

USA

47 posts since 3/16/2021

I assume so since personal insults are a violation of the TOS.

Jul 12, 2021 - 6:40:29 PM

36 posts since 4/20/2014

That was pathetic.

Jul 12, 2021 - 10:16:18 PM
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36 posts since 4/20/2014

quote:
Originally posted by BenjaminTellsTheTruth
quote:
Originally posted by 46davis

Read the fine print!

I've always dealt with International Violin. Since 1988. When I ordered purfling I always got enough to do one violin with about a foot left over for mistakes. For $3.00. Some purfling that Stewmac carries caught my eye, 4 layers alternating black and white. Making a non-standard instrument, thought it would be a nice touch to go with bone nut and saddle and antique machine tuners.

But no. What I got for $5.50 was one piece 32 inches long. It takes 40 inches to purfle one side! I just assumed, naive me, that one order would be enough to make one instrument, as it's always been. Not so. So I have 3 options, since I've routed the purfling groove for the non-standard width of this purfling. I can spring $26 and order 2 more pieces, with shipping, throw the top away and make another one for standard purfling, or make purfling to fit the groove I have cut.

I admit, I should have gone into the transaction suspicious and alert that that I might not be ordering what I thought I was, but I'm not used to that.


I made an account to plainly say what others are gently saying:

 

Caveat Emptor = You're an idiot, and doubling down only makes you look more foolish. 

 

I could go point by point, using your idiotic egg carton reference (you can get eggs in 4s and 6s and 12s and 18s and so on) but it would be pointless. 

 

This is my first and will be my last post here. 

 

Idiot. 


Having a bad day, chief?  Guess it takes all kinds...??

Jul 12, 2021 - 10:41:36 PM
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36 posts since 4/20/2014

quote:
Originally posted by BenjaminTellsTheTruth
quote:
Originally posted by 46davis

Read the fine print!

I've always dealt with International Violin. Since 1988. When I ordered purfling I always got enough to do one violin with about a foot left over for mistakes. For $3.00. Some purfling that Stewmac carries caught my eye, 4 layers alternating black and white. Making a non-standard instrument, thought it would be a nice touch to go with bone nut and saddle and antique machine tuners.

But no. What I got for $5.50 was one piece 32 inches long. It takes 40 inches to purfle one side! I just assumed, naive me, that one order would be enough to make one instrument, as it's always been. Not so. So I have 3 options, since I've routed the purfling groove for the non-standard width of this purfling. I can spring $26 and order 2 more pieces, with shipping, throw the top away and make another one for standard purfling, or make purfling to fit the groove I have cut.

I admit, I should have gone into the transaction suspicious and alert that that I might not be ordering what I thought I was, but I'm not used to that.


I made an account to plainly say what others are gently saying:

 

Caveat Emptor = You're an idiot, and doubling down only makes you look more foolish. 

 

I could go point by point, using your idiotic egg carton reference (you can get eggs in 4s and 6s and 12s and 18s and so on) but it would be pointless. 

 

This is my first and will be my last post here. 

 

Idiot. 


The question was an honest question by 46Davis.  Asked simply for information.  I've asked a few stupid questions on here and have been helped .  That's the whole point of this cite.  We are here to help each other.  Trolls have no place here.

Jul 13, 2021 - 4:57:10 PM

9490 posts since 3/19/2009

Do I sense just a little of his own ego in Benjamin's first and last post or am I mistaken as usual? Thanks, Rich Davis, for the heads up about ownership change at StewMac..I've ordered from them a lot when I was making instruments and if something was wrong with the order they always graciously corrected it.. I'll keep my eye on the fine print...

Jul 14, 2021 - 9:43:15 AM
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567 posts since 3/1/2020

StewMac doesn’t specialize in violin supply, so I don’t expect them to have the best materials. They do have some useful tools. For purfling, I think it’s better to pick something from a dedicated luthiery supplier. Ken at International Violin is an excellent person to talk to and he really knows the inventory and can make great suggestions. Since the OP’s violin is a bit unusual, it might be a good learning opportunity to make some purfling. That way, the exact width desired can be achieved and the ratio of white to black strips can be adjusted to suit personal preference or to more closely follow an original model.

Purfling is not all created equal, so take a little time to figure out what works best.

Nov 5, 2021 - 6:22:46 AM

21 posts since 6/3/2018

So, after all the BS which way did you go. Did you order more or throw the top away and make a new one?

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