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May 9, 2021 - 1:53:11 AM

Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

Hi Guy's So I'd like to try my hand at writing some basic fiddle TAB TEF files in TablEdit. And I am struggling to figure out how to enter a 1L 2H symbols on the string. Help

May 9, 2021 - 2:21:42 PM

RB-1

Netherlands

41 posts since 9/28/2020

Archie, I wouldn't bother using these symbols,

I'd choose writing it as a mandolin tab for that is chromatic, so always shows you exactly where to put your fingers, independent of the key you're playing in.

Which comes handy as I'm trying Bluegrass and Newgrass that are using key changes and chord sequences outside a single mode.

But that's me, I can sight read and play fiddle from mandolin tabs, but this H - L stuff confuses me no end.

Standard notation with it's sharps and flats is equally confusing in a similar way.

But tab, to me, is just for figuring out where the fingers are supposed to be, after that, the tune itself I can remember...

Edited by - RB-1 on 05/09/2021 14:22:08

May 10, 2021 - 4:04:51 PM

Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

quote:
Originally posted by RB-1

Archie, I wouldn't bother using these symbols,

I'd choose writing it as a mandolin tab for that is chromatic, so always shows you exactly where to put your fingers, independent of the key you're playing in.

Which comes handy as I'm trying Bluegrass and Newgrass that are using key changes and chord sequences outside a single mode.

But that's me, I can sight read and play fiddle from mandolin tabs, but this H - L stuff confuses me no end.

Standard notation with it's sharps and flats is equally confusing in a similar way.

But tab, to me, is just for figuring out where the fingers are supposed to be, after that, the tune itself I can remember...


Thanks Bruno. I don't play fiddle or mandolin, but I do like to dabble with fiddle tabs I've found. My goal in learning basic fiddle tabs is to tab out basic melodies that I can practice backup banjo. As far as I understand H & L represent high and low notes possibly an octive apart ? I am just not sure.

May 10, 2021 - 7:26:28 PM

1481 posts since 7/26/2015

Make tab for "Mandolin GDAE", then, rename the instrument "Fiddle GDAE" when you are done writing the tune, and TablEdit will convert it to fiddle tab.       
quote:
Originally posted by Tam_Zeb
quote:
Originally posted by RB-1

Archie, I wouldn't bother using these symbols,

I'd choose writing it as a mandolin tab for that is chromatic, so always shows you exactly where to put your fingers, independent of the key you're playing in.

Which comes handy as I'm trying Bluegrass and Newgrass that are using key changes and chord sequences outside a single mode.

But that's me, I can sight read and play fiddle from mandolin tabs, but this H - L stuff confuses me no end.

Standard notation with it's sharps and flats is equally confusing in a similar way.

But tab, to me, is just for figuring out where the fingers are supposed to be, after that, the tune itself I can remember...


Thanks Bruno. I don't play fiddle or mandolin, but I do like to dabble with fiddle tabs I've found. My goal in learning basic fiddle tabs is to tab out basic melodies that I can practice backup banjo. As far as I understand H & L represent high and low notes possibly an octive apart ? I am just not sure.


May 10, 2021 - 10:59:12 PM

Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

Thankyou

May 11, 2021 - 12:05:46 AM

266 posts since 12/2/2013

Good to hear from you Archie, here's a web page that explains finger positions.
violinonline.com/fingerboard-chart.html

May 11, 2021 - 2:01:51 AM

RB-1

Netherlands

41 posts since 9/28/2020

quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Good to hear from you Archie, here's a web page that explains finger positions.
violinonline.com/fingerboard-chart.html


Archie and Rick, isn't it funny, Banjo Hangouters running into each other over here again? yes

Now I can see where this 1H and 1L comes from, but to me a chromatic approach, like with  fretted instruments, feels so much more intuitive. As in no four numbers with extra indications, but one for every semi tone. enlightened

I heard an explanation that "because of the key you're playing in, all fingers have fixed positions".

Tell that to a banjo player.... devil

With almost 60 years of mandolin playing under the belt, this diatonic approach to fiddle tab makes no sense to me at all. frown

Learning the fiddle backwards, as in "I'm all over the fingerboard already, playing double stops, slides, etc.", while at the same time, the right hand has a lot of catching up to do. surprise

But getting another bow finally helped me over the hurdle of scratching less and having a half decent tone at last. laugh

But to each his own, I guess...wink

May 11, 2021 - 11:27:44 AM
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That H/L notation is one of the biggest reasons I use notation for fiddle. It is much simpler (2 notes at a time max) than trying to read banjo tab, plus it gives you a head start on actually understanding notation.

Or, you could use the note-name method of notation that is available in Tabledit. That shows you the note name (A, B, C#, etc) on the string being played.

May 11, 2021 - 11:51:57 PM

Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

quote:
Originally posted by RB-1
quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Good to hear from you Archie, here's a web page that explains finger positions.
violinonline.com/fingerboard-chart.html


Archie and Rick, isn't it funny, Banjo Hangouters running into each other over here again? yes

There was too much infighting - legal threats when I was active on the BHO.  I got so fed up with it all and walked away leaving them to get on with it. The  time I wasted over there and the misinformation I was fed as a newbie  it was a relief to have the time to sit down and actually study banjo with a great teacher. BanjoBen 

If you dig around the Fiddle TAB Tef files here you'll find some great banjo TABs   

Edited by - Tam_Zeb on 05/12/2021 00:03:47

May 11, 2021 - 11:52:52 PM
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Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

Good to hear from you Archie, here's a web page that explains finger positions.
violinonline.com/fingerboard-chart.html


Thanks Richard.

May 11, 2021 - 11:57:32 PM
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Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

quote:
Originally posted by BanjoBrad

That H/L notation is one of the biggest reasons I use notation for fiddle. It is much simpler (2 notes at a time max) than trying to read banjo tab, plus it gives you a head start on actually understanding notation.

Or, you could use the note-name method of notation that is available in Tabledit. That shows you the note name (A, B, C#, etc) on the string being played.


Hi Fred 

I am a banjo player so reading banjo tab is not a problem for me, in fact I write a lot of my own TABs. Which is why I raised the query. Once I learn how to enter these symbols in TablEdit I should be able to write some basic fiddle melodies.

May 12, 2021 - 2:44:41 PM

3134 posts since 6/21/2007

Archie - Yeah, I know you over on BHO, I use the same handle there as here. I've read music since 3rd grade for piano and guitar, but that danged reentrant 5th string hung me up on notation, so I now read tab for guitar (and some fiddle), but prefer the notation for fiddle.

The H/L is easy once you get your head around it, though. Your choice.

May 13, 2021 - 7:11:27 AM

Tam_Zeb

Scotland

27 posts since 7/24/2014

quote:
Originally posted by BanjoBrad

Archie - Yeah, I know you over on BHO, I use the same handle there as here. I've read music since 3rd grade for piano and guitar, but that danged reentrant 5th string hung me up on notation, so I now read tab for guitar (and some fiddle), but prefer the notation for fiddle.

The H/L is easy once you get your head around it, though. Your choice.


Must be about six maybe seven years since I posted on the BHO Fred you must have a good memory. You can always find me on Banjo Bens forum. Much more helpful and friendy over there for banjo players.

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