Banjo Hangout Logo
Banjo Hangout Logo

Premier Sponsors

147
Fiddle Lovers Online


Page: 1  2   Last Page (2) 

May 3, 2021 - 11:52:20 AM
5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

A friend of mine is a full time working fiddler, one of the best I know, with many awards that recognize his talent and abilities. He plays country music, and is also great at Western swing and related genres. For some reason I've never been able to fathom, he's always played Old Fiddler strings, and I gather that since D'addario acquired Super Sensitive, the Old Fiddler line is no longer gonna be available. I'm trying to come up with suggestions for a replacement. My first thought was Prims, since they settle down eventually and sound pretty good. He said he could "probably get used" to them, but clearly isn't happy with them. Seems it's the feel that concerns him as much as anything, and I may end up fooling with his setup (scoop, nut and bridge height ) to give him that feel he's looking for, as well as the sound. Another string choice that came to mind was Chromcor, or maybe Lenzner. Does anybody have any good recommendations for me? This guy is one of those who doesn't like to change around; once he finds something he likes, he sticks with it FOREVER. Like many really talented players, he's really perceptive, and notices things that I don't even perceive until he points them out. Any help will be appreciated.

May 3, 2021 - 12:58:32 PM

Mobob

USA

156 posts since 10/1/2009

might try Black Diamond violin strings, not the cheapo fiddle set but the ones labeled violin, bout the same price as Preludes, and as I remember played a lot like the old fiddler brand.

May 3, 2021 - 1:13:35 PM

DougD

USA

10095 posts since 12/2/2007

What was the actual difference between the Old Fiddler strings and the Red Label? I've never used either of them, but they were both nickel wound, about the same price, and I always wondered if they were the same string in different packaging for different markets. So he might try the Red Label. Another option might be D'Addario Preludes, although I think the windings are a combination of nickel and aluminum. Chromcors and Precision are both chrome wound, and much more expensive. That's all I can think of.

May 3, 2021 - 1:40:06 PM
likes this

1803 posts since 12/11/2008

I continue to like Chromcor. They feel good under the fingers. They may not produce as much volume as Prims but the tone is a bit less in-your-face (or is that under-your-chin).

May 3, 2021 - 1:43:51 PM
likes this

78 posts since 1/21/2017

Could he just stock up for the future? Looks like they're still available at Southwest Strings, $16 a set.

Edited by - coryobert on 05/03/2021 13:44:37

May 3, 2021 - 3:38:09 PM

5152 posts since 9/26/2008

Old fiddler strings feel like guitar strings, or at least that is my memory of them. Very rough on the fingers

May 3, 2021 - 7:16:36 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by Mobob

might try Black Diamond violin strings, not the cheapo fiddle set but the ones labeled violin, bout the same price as Preludes, and as I remember played a lot like the old fiddler brand.


Thanks, Bob - He tried those, and "hated em"  I'm gonna see whether he'll try Preludes. IME they're not a bad fiddle string, but he works 3 shows a day, every day, as a show fiddler, and needs good volume.

May 3, 2021 - 7:24:19 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

What was the actual difference between the Old Fiddler strings and the Red Label? I've never used either of them, but they were both nickel wound, about the same price, and I always wondered if they were the same string in different packaging for different markets. So he might try the Red Label. Another option might be D'Addario Preludes, although I think the windings are a combination of nickel and aluminum. Chromcors and Precision are both chrome wound, and much more expensive. That's all I can think of.


I'm thinking a chrome-wound string would be a good idea, too.  I don't know the difference between Red label and Old Fiddler, b ecause I instantly hated Old Fiddler the first time I tried them and haven't touched them in over a decade. Here's a link to a video of him playing as MC of the Halletsville fiddle contest, below so you can get an idea of his sound and skill level. I'd pay to watch him play any day, Old Fiddler or no Old Fiddler.

May 3, 2021 - 7:27:11 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

I continue to like Chromcor. They feel good under the fingers. They may not produce as much volume as Prims but the tone is a bit less in-your-face (or is that under-your-chin).


I like 'em too. I was wondering about others like Lenzner, Thomastic, Larsen maybe.  We may, He plays plugged in a lot, but he also just plays into a mic a lot, so volume is important.

May 3, 2021 - 7:31:43 PM
likes this

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by coryobert

Could he just stock up for the future? Looks like they're still available at Southwest Strings, $16 a set.


Yes, but that's not a long term solution. When you play three shows a day, seven days a week, plus side gigs, you go through a lot of strings, even steel core. Believe it or not, fiddling can be a J.O.B.

May 3, 2021 - 8:13:31 PM
likes this

Earworm

USA

200 posts since 1/30/2018

I'll put in a plug for the Chromcors. I've used them for years and really like them. I used my pandemic holiday to try out some different strings, so I tried Helicores and found them a little too brash, and a bit inconsistent. I even tried Jargars, but found that it was true that it's just like turning the volume knob down - couldn't wait to get rid of them. I find nothing lacking in volume from Chromcors, just a good, even sound, though I don't know what your friend needs.

May 4, 2021 - 7:17:19 AM
likes this

22 posts since 6/12/2015

Man what a talent. Makes me want to try those strings haha.

May 4, 2021 - 7:28 AM
likes this

Mobob

USA

156 posts since 10/1/2009

Michael, another thought, D'Darrio Fiddle strings J90 are nickel wound as are the Old Fiddler , strings, might be similar, maybe someone here is familiar with them and can chime in.

May 4, 2021 - 7:46:01 AM

DougD

USA

10095 posts since 12/2/2007

Michael, when you said he was concerned about the "feel" I took that to mean the actual winding under your fingers - some people are sensitive about that, which is why I suggested other nickel wound strings. But maybe it is the action.
Anyway, are you sure the "Old Fiddler" strings will be discontinued? Here's a recent interview with John D'Addario III and it doesn't seem very clear: stringsmagazine.com/john-dadda...-company/

May 4, 2021 - 11:03:30 AM

2288 posts since 10/22/2007

Thanks for that link Mike. Followed it to Paul Jensen's YT page! Holy Christmas!

May 4, 2021 - 12:19:23 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by screecher

Man what a talent. Makes me want to try those strings haha.


Yeah, he can definitely play! That link is from him acting as MC for the Texas State Fiddle contest, and he organizes fiddle contests and teches in his "spare time". All- around good guy, like a lot of people in the fiddle world.

May 4, 2021 - 12:20:07 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by Mobob

Michael, another thought, D'Darrio Fiddle strings J90 are nickel wound as are the Old Fiddler , strings, might be similar, maybe someone here is familiar with them and can chime in.


Thanks, Bob! I'll definitely check that out.

May 4, 2021 - 12:29:49 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Michael, when you said he was concerned about the "feel" I took that to mean the actual winding under your fingers - some people are sensitive about that, which is why I suggested other nickel wound strings. But maybe it is the action.
Anyway, are you sure the "Old Fiddler" strings will be discontinued? Here's a recent interview with John D'Addario III and it doesn't seem very clear: stringsmagazine.com/john-dadda...-company/


Well, he had an endorsement deal with Super Sensitive, and was complaining about not being able to get them any more, and they're not on the SuperSensitive web site any longer. I'll forward that article and Bob's suggestion on, and see what happens. You know fiddlers, especially good ones, see and feel  things that mere mortals like me don't perceive right off. For that matter, it took me three years working in a violin shop, talking to serious violinists before I thought we were talking about the same thing when we talked about sound. Same thing with fiddlers, except the vocabulary is different.

And Yeah, if I can get some time with him in the shop, I can learn more about what he feels and hears. That link I posted gives a pretty good idea of his sound. Really good Texas Swing fiddler.

May 4, 2021 - 12:47:59 PM

DougD

USA

10095 posts since 12/2/2007

Well, Supersensitive is now part of D'Addario, so they would now be the source, and I don't know what might happen to endorsement deals.
As far as the J90s, I'm not sure that will get you very far. I see them for sale a couple places, but they're not on the D'Addario website, and SW Strings says they're no longer available. Here's an old thread about them, in which RobBob says he thinks they were the same as Preludes: fiddlehangout.com/archive/11062
I think the only options in that price range might be Prelude and Red Label.

May 4, 2021 - 12:57:16 PM

78 posts since 1/21/2017

Well, after watching his videos, I can understand his reluctance to switch. Nice tone. Happens to me all the time. I finally settle on something that I like and they discontinue it.

May 4, 2021 - 1:33:34 PM

RobBob

USA

2728 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

What was the actual difference between the Old Fiddler strings and the Red Label? I've never used either of them, but they were both nickel wound, about the same price, and I always wondered if they were the same string in different packaging for different markets. So he might try the Red Label. Another option might be D'Addario Preludes, although I think the windings are a combination of nickel and aluminum. Chromcors and Precision are both chrome wound, and much more expensive. That's all I can think of.


Old Fiddler are orchestra gauge so they are thicker.

May 4, 2021 - 1:34:59 PM

RobBob

USA

2728 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Well, Supersensitive is now part of D'Addario, so they would now be the source, and I don't know what might happen to endorsement deals.
As far as the J90s, I'm not sure that will get you very far. I see them for sale a couple places, but they're not on the D'Addario website, and SW Strings says they're no longer available. Here's an old thread about them, in which RobBob says he thinks they were the same as Preludes: fiddlehangout.com/archive/11062
I think the only options in that price range might be Prelude and Red Label.


Yes Preludes and Fiddle Strings from D'Addario were the same strings under different price points. They were also sold as Martin Bluegrass Fiddle Strings. 

May 4, 2021 - 1:35:59 PM

RobBob

USA

2728 posts since 6/26/2007

Chromcor are a good string and I know several fiddlers who use them. I have them on one fiddle right now and I like them better than Prims which I like better than Helicore.

May 4, 2021 - 3:08:46 PM

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

Agree that Chromcor are good string, and several of my regulars use them, especially Irish fiddlers. This particular fiddler has had one particular fiddle and setup that he is happy with as long as I've known him. He tried several of my Westports when I first brought them out ten years ago, and declared one of them to be the "best fiddle he had ever played", but never expressed an interest in buying it, not being eager to change. I wouldn't be surprised if the J90s turn out to be a good answer. First step will be to get him to try them. That's in motion now. I'll order some in to try out myself.

I'm not done by any means, but I really appreciate the replies so far. They've been really helpful, so keep any thoughts comin'!

May 4, 2021 - 5:32:02 PM

DougD

USA

10095 posts since 12/2/2007

Michael, as I said above, it looks to me like the J90s are no longer available.
Having an endorsement deal is a horse of a different color. If you play a lot it could be quite valuable to get strings for "free" or maybe at cost. D'Addario have endorsers, but its a fairly small group, and I doubt they'd want an endorser of something not currently in their product line. It seems that Super Sensitive has been out of production for some time and dealer's stocks are getting thin. Given the popularity of Red Label in Suzuki programs and other school settings, it makes sense that D'Addario would want to get them back out there first. Its a guaranteed revenue stream.
Hope it all works out for Wayne.

May 4, 2021 - 6:07:18 PM
likes this

5577 posts since 7/1/2007
Online Now

Well, one way or another we'll find strings he can live with or else a fiddle/ setup/ strings combination he can live with. It's kinda what I do. or try to.

In the meantime, we'll contact D'Addario sales and see what they have to suggest. As an old manufacturing guy, I kinda understand what they're up against, so maybe I can find the right people to talk to.

Edited by - KCFiddles on 05/04/2021 18:11:27

Page: 1  2   Last Page (2) 

Hangout Network Help

View All Topics  |  View Categories

0.1523438