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Mar 6, 2021 - 5:37:07 AM
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14 posts since 3/6/2021

Hi folks,

Just received my 'Fiddle for the Ignoramus' book by Wayne Erbsen, and I have a Gliga Genial fiddle inc bow, rosin, and case on order (from online), which should be arriving Tues/Wed next week. Fiddle will have upgraded strings and integrated tuners and I'm reasonably confident that it will be set up ok from researching the company. I have already bookmarked various online learning resources.

Apart from possible shoulder rest and a mute, anything obvious from the physical side that I am missing. Have a music stand and electric tuner from banjo playing.

Looking forward to it, expect I'll be on here a fair bit asking for advice.

AndyW

Mar 6, 2021 - 5:55:35 AM

2337 posts since 10/1/2008

IMO Gliga is a good choice. It is noise not music at first. Be patient , play daily , use your tuner to check your intonation on scale work. Enjoy the journey. R/

Mar 6, 2021 - 8:21:04 AM

Snafu

USA

89 posts since 2/2/2014

I don’t know the intricacies of banjo tuning but I know that my guitar tuner doesn’t hear the fiddle sounds properly. Maybe because a guitar note actually sounds a whole octave lower then it is written. Guitar is a transposing instrument. Maybe a banjo is also? Anyway, a fiddle is tuned in perfect fifths while a piano and most fretted instruments are not tuned in perfect fifths. As a beginner you will have so much to concentrate on but intonation will be high on your list.

I suggest getting a violin (orchestral) tuner too. There are some ok tuning apps if you have a smartphone. I personally use a Korg Dolcetto-V clip on tuner. About $25 as I recall on Amazon. It clips on to the scroll and senses the vibrations directly, not by sound. You can use in a noisy room and it works just fine. It is very accurate and tunes in perfect fifths.

Mar 6, 2021 - 8:31:40 AM

AndyW

UK

14 posts since 3/6/2021

quote:
Originally posted by UsuallyPickin

IMO Gliga is a good choice. It is noise not music at first. Be patient , play daily , use your tuner to check your intonation on scale work. Enjoy the journey. R/


Thanks for the encouragement Richard.

Mar 6, 2021 - 8:41:09 AM

AndyW

UK

14 posts since 3/6/2021

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Originally posted by Snafu

I don’t know the intricacies of banjo tuning but I know that my guitar tuner doesn’t hear the fiddle sounds properly. Maybe because a guitar note actually sounds a whole octave lower then it is written. Guitar is a transposing instrument. Maybe a banjo is also? Anyway, a fiddle is tuned in perfect fifths while a piano and most fretted instruments are not tuned in perfect fifths. As a beginner you will have so much to concentrate on but intonation will be high on your list.

I suggest getting a violin (orchestral) tuner too. There are some ok tuning apps if you have a smartphone. I personally use a Korg Dolcetto-V clip on tuner. About $25 as I recall on Amazon. It clips on to the scroll and senses the vibrations directly, not by sound. You can use in a noisy room and it works just fine. It is very accurate and tunes in perfect fifths.


Hi, yes I've heard about this tuning to perfect fifths, and don't really grasp this difference between equal and other types of temperament.

I expect there should be some sort of tone generating app for violin tuning I can get on my phone to help me tune each note.  That way I can use my clip on (snark red) to get in the right ballpark, and then fine tune by ear to each individual note??

I don't tune my banjo by ear very often, but can do if forced to.  I can either tune all strings to pitches, or do relative tuning by playing partial bits of tunes and tweaking , but have never tuned by intervals.  I have a fretless banjo but have always tuned that strictly by the tuner.

Lots to learn.

Mar 6, 2021 - 9:24:42 AM

Snafu

USA

89 posts since 2/2/2014

Hi Andy,

There is much online and in this forum if you want to research just v equal temperament tuning. It’s a hornet nest but you really need to be in fifths if you want the sympathetic vibrations to occur between strings. That gives the fiddle its unique sound and help to get the finger position right.

The iPhone apps I’m familiar with listen to the fiddle sound and have an indicator whether you need to go sharper or flatter to get the string in tune. They done generate a tone. Your journey has just begun. Enjoy the ride and don’t get discouraged. It is hard but worth it.

Mar 6, 2021 - 9:39:13 AM

11845 posts since 9/23/2009

A perfect 5th interval sounds like the first notes in the kids' tune, Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star. The first Twinkle, if tuning a fiddle, would be a G, then the second Twinkle you sing is a perfect 5th higher, which would be a D. Then start singing the song from the D string, first Twinkle is a D in that situation, the second Twinkle you sing will be a perfect 5th up from the D, which would be an A. Start singing the song again beginning on that A note...first Twinkle you sing is the A, the second Twinkle you sing is the E, and you're tuned to perfect 5ths, which is standard fiddle/violin tuning. Also, you can get on youtube and find the notes to tune to for just about any instrument, including fiddle. Hope you enjoy your fiddling journey...it tends to start out slow, but soon enough it gets to be easier and more fun. A year from now you'll know what I mean.

Mar 6, 2021 - 2:11:40 PM

9038 posts since 3/19/2009

I'm not very knowledgeable about violins, but I'm curious about how you will get instruction....Personally, I'd recommend getting a real live teacher to get you started..preferably one who plays the style of music you want to learn.. I did the 'go alone' method and I Don't recommend it..There are plenty of good fiddlers in the UK..!! What say you?

Mar 6, 2021 - 3:31:27 PM
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9038 posts since 3/19/2009

Hmm.. I may be guilty of Topic Drift.. My bad.. Wish I could go back and delete my comment..but I can't.. Se la vie !

Mar 6, 2021 - 4:06:56 PM

1776 posts since 12/11/2008

I played a host of Gligas when I was trading up from my first fiddle -- a horrible Chinese one I can't remember the name of. Gliga was a featured brand at one of my local string instrument stores. They weren't bad at all! I could've easily gotten one. Nevertheless, I ended up buying something else, an old German trade fiddle I still own and keep cross-tuned. Have fun. Don't go nuts. Well, maybe just a little.

Mar 8, 2021 - 11:24:57 PM
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2540 posts since 10/6/2008

A D'Addario NS Micro Violin Tuner is pretty handy. It can stay on the fiddle, it’s easy to read, and it does the job. I also think it’s helpful to practice tuning the fifths by ear—at home. :)

Edited by - Cyndy on 03/08/2021 23:25:23

Mar 9, 2021 - 12:31:24 AM
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AndyW

UK

14 posts since 3/6/2021

quote:
Originally posted by Cyndy

A D'Addario NS Micro Violin Tuner is pretty handy. It can stay on the fiddle, it’s easy to read, and it does the job. I also think it’s helpful to practice tuning the fifths by ear—at home. :)


Certainly looks like that would attach nicely, and my snarks could stay on my banjos.

Mar 9, 2021 - 2:15:34 PM

WyoBob

USA

222 posts since 5/16/2019

Welcome to the FHO Andy.   I took up the fiddle 1 1/2 years ago after playing the banjo for 8 years.   I hope you have as much fun as I've had learning the fiddle. 

I found "Fiddlehed" to be a good online resource.   Having around 70 old time tunes in my head that I could play on my banjo was a great help with the fiddle.   I have around 30 fiddle tunes that I can play pretty much up to speed with recordings I've made of our weekly O.T. jam group.

(I'm RV6 on the BHO)

Mar 9, 2021 - 6:04:22 PM
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5096 posts since 9/26/2008

I second the micro tuner. Handy and discreet. Tune (or check your tuning) every time you pick it up to play.

If you are familiar with the concepts of the sonic 'beats' you hear when tuning is close but not right (fretting notes to make unison pitches on the Banjo), how they slow down the list you are, then you'll catch on to perfect fifths. The better in tune you are, the quicker you'll catch on to the whole fretless thing. Even a tiny bit out of tune can throw things off.

Have fun and as Richard said, it's a noisy ride at first, learn to enjoy that noise.

Mar 14, 2021 - 12:11:36 PM

780 posts since 6/22/2007

Congrats Andy. Another great journey. Make sure whatever tuner you get will read a bowed note (not plucked) as it is not the same pitch as the plucked one. Also, reconsider that shoulder rest. Old folks didn't use them and I find them quite uncomfortable and forces me to hold an unnatural position.

Get in touch if you wish to discuss further.

Play Nice,
Dan

PS, I do have a spot or two for a skype student (or facetime etc.)

Edited by - fiddledan on 03/14/2021 12:12:53

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