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Jan 3, 2021 - 6:28:04 PM
11 posts since 1/3/2021

I run across the Aubrey Haynie book, and all the stuff is in Standard Notation.

There's a problem

I cannot read standard notation.

I really have no desire to learn to read it fluently, just well enough to be able to convert it to tablature.

My teacher told me about a year ago that he has taught me about all he can teach me, but he can still tell me where to use what and where. Therefore, I decided to set out and try to learn some stuff off of some of the best out there. I chose Aubrey Haynie.

Only if I can learn to convert this stuff will I purchase the book and begin my full journey. Right now, I'm just peeking down the trail.

That said, can someone please teach me to convert Standard Notation to fiddle tablature?


 

Edited by - Lemon Banjos on 01/03/2021 18:29:16

Jan 3, 2021 - 6:50:26 PM
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481 posts since 6/11/2019

I know of no way to run notation through a conversion to get tab. It has to go through a person that reads notation and then translates to tab.

As a printed method for learning a melody, I would encourage you to learn notation. It's not as scary as it looks--no more difficult than learning to read tab, really. Just takes immersion. And, it's ubiquitous in music. Besides, string players shouldn't really need to be told where to hammer-on or pull-off or slide like in tab. That's a personal style thing, IMO.

Maybe I'm wrong and there's a computer app somewhere...??

Jan 4, 2021 - 9:44:18 AM
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3134 posts since 6/21/2007

Spend a few bucks and buy Tabledit. With a little study, you will be able to input the notation and have the program provide fiddle "tab." My main use of this ability for fiddle is to turn tab into notation.

Fiddle notation is not a difficult faculty to learn, I would strongly advise that you spend some time (maybe a music theory class where you are currently going to college), as it will aid you immensely in the future if you keep playing music.

Jan 4, 2021 - 9:48:16 AM
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2396 posts since 10/1/2008

Well .... fiddle TAB is not mandolin TAB. It is based on finger used and position of the index finger. I suppose it is possible to set up a standard EXCEL file with the notes on one chart and the fingers and positions on a parallel chart next to it. Then you would have a tool to assist you in writing it out as TAB ...... It may be easier to learn to learn to read notation.

Jan 4, 2021 - 10:10:42 AM

266 posts since 12/2/2013

This is my solution to this task.

playscore.co/

Jan 4, 2021 - 2:44:16 PM

5526 posts since 9/26/2008

Tabledit, as Brad said, will do that for you but you have to set it up to do that and you have to input each note.

I would recommend using the image linked here that identifies the note names and use it to create your own tab. You could write the string and "Fret position" next to the notes to help you. I use something similar that I drew up myself to reference when I write out any notation, because I have issues with remembering the below the staff notes. 

Or instead of all that, just take a couple of days to learn the notes by sight. Seriously not that hard and will serve you the rest of your life with all the instruments. Except maybe banjo because that one just ain't natural laugh

Jan 4, 2021 - 2:49:55 PM

9506 posts since 3/19/2009

I MAY be able to do it, but I'll need to know if you want it cross tuned AEae, or Standard, GDae... Let me know.

Jan 4, 2021 - 3:19:20 PM
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DougD

USA

10346 posts since 12/2/2007

Lee, are you volunteering to convert the whole book? I think that's what he wants, for starters.
Remember the old adage: "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for one meal. Give a man a fishing pole, and he'll probably never mow the lawn again."

Jan 5, 2021 - 8:09:27 AM
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4303 posts since 6/23/2007

You are either going to have to pay someone to create the tab or learn notation well enough to do it yourself. And if you do learn to read notation, you won't use tab any longer.

BTW, what is the name of the book you mentioned. and where did you buy it.

Jan 5, 2021 - 10:42:39 AM
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2554 posts since 10/6/2008

I think you should be able to convert the notation to tab pretty easily with TablEdit. There's a small learning curve to figure out how to make the program do what you want it to do, but once you have the hang of it, it would just be a matter of moving the cursor to the right places and hitting "enter." The automatic duration option will probably work for most things and you can manually tweak when needed.

Here's a random example of what it might look like (I don't want to convert copyrighted material and post it in public). You can choose to just view/print the tab after you're done with the input.
 


Jan 5, 2021 - 11:00:40 AM

DougD

USA

10346 posts since 12/2/2007

How do you enter the notation? Can you just scan in the pages of the book? When you say "moving the cursor to the right places," where are those places?

Jan 5, 2021 - 12:27:54 PM
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2554 posts since 10/6/2008

Here's a quick video answer to the question of how notation is entered in TablEdit. Basically, the cursor moves within a grid; vertical movements affect pitch and horizontal movements (in automatic duration mode) affect the duration of the previous note.

Jan 5, 2021 - 3:10:42 PM
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5526 posts since 9/26/2008

Tabledit really is simple once you get the hang of it. After you've transcribed a book of Aubrey's takes, you will likely be able to read notation. I mean, if you can play at his level it shouldn't be too hard to eventually make the leap from tab to notes.

Jan 6, 2021 - 8:57:48 AM

9506 posts since 3/19/2009

Hunter, I don't suppose my tab sample was very helpul???

Jan 6, 2021 - 10:36:26 AM
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DougD

USA

10346 posts since 12/2/2007

Thanks Cyndy. I guess I see - it looks similar to entering the notes in a notation program, except the program converts it to tab instead of a nice score. I guess someone who didn't read music at all could copy a score by rote, except it might be qute tedious and they might not know if they've made a mistake.
I think there are music recognition scanning programs like the one mmuussiiccaall linked, or Smartscore, that can scan a page of notation and output MXML, which I think Tabledit can input and then output tab. The guitar version of Smartscore is $80, so for about $140 you could have a system that might do this automatically.
The other option would be to study the score, figure out where the notes are on your instrument and enter them into tab manually. However, by the time you could place the notes on your instrument you would have learned to read music, and wouldn't need the tab.

Edited by - DougD on 01/06/2021 10:39:18

Jan 6, 2021 - 6:16:38 PM
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5526 posts since 9/26/2008

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

... The other option would be to study the score, figure out where the notes are on your instrument and enter them into tab manually. However, by the time you could place the notes on your instrument you would have learned to read music, and wouldn't need the tab.


smiley

Jan 6, 2021 - 6:24:44 PM

5526 posts since 9/26/2008

BTW, I listened to your track on BHO, the one you posted in regards to the mix, and your fiddling is pretty good. Are you learning by ear already or have you translated mando TAB to fiddle?

Jan 6, 2021 - 7:29:51 PM
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11 posts since 1/3/2021

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

BTW, I listened to your track on BHO, the one you posted in regards to the mix, and your fiddling is pretty good. Are you learning by ear already or have you translated mando TAB to fiddle?


Thanks!

About 90% of what I play is learned by ear. I have learned a few things from tablature, but what I have learned from tab has been incorporated into my standard style.

Jan 7, 2021 - 3:55:21 AM

5526 posts since 9/26/2008

Well, I think that recording seemed like legit and solid bluegrass fiddling, much more legit than mine smiley as you sound like you've taken the time learn some actual breaks. I have always been an off the cuff player who doesn't study enough. 

Jan 7, 2021 - 11:14:30 AM
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3134 posts since 6/21/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Thanks Cyndy. I guess I see - it looks similar to entering the notes in a notation program, except the program converts it to tab instead of a nice score. I guess someone who didn't read music at all could copy a score by rote, except it might be qute tedious and they might not know if they've made a mistake.


Doug - one of the nice things about Tabledit is that you can input notation or tab and have it convert either as you type or chosing to change.  You can also display both tab and notes on separate staffs on the same page.

Jan 16, 2021 - 3:36:23 PM
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61 posts since 5/1/2010

My "Epiphany" occurred in 1990, when I discovered a little blue booklet and cassette tape on the then brand-new concept of "Fiddle Tab" by someone named JayDean Ludicker in a music store in Spokane, Washington. Up till then, I was pretty much halted in my development, unable to read sheet music and with no hands-on instruction from local oldtime fiddlers. This booklet/tape combination literally boosted my career progress for the next couple of decades, mainly, because from that point I was able to look at sheet music and figure out how to write my own "fiddle tab" between the ledger lines. The rest, as they say, is history!

Jan 16, 2021 - 4:12:55 PM
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5526 posts since 9/26/2008

Writing your tab directly on the sheet music. Great idea. I'm betting you can basically read sheet music now. 

Jan 19, 2021 - 3:04:29 PM
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2807 posts since 9/13/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Lemon Banjos


I cannot read standard notation.

I really have no desire to learn to read it fluently, just well enough to be able to convert it to tablature.

My teacher told me about a year ago that he has taught me about all he can teach me, but he can still tell me where to use what and where. Therefore, I decided to set out and try to learn some stuff off of some of the best out there. I chose Aubrey Haynie.

Only if I can learn to convert this stuff will I purchase the book and begin my full journey. Right now, I'm just peeking down the trail.

That said, can someone please teach me to convert Standard Notation to fiddle tablature?


If your desire is to study transcriptions, they are most likely going to be in standard notation. Standard notation has many other advantages.

The amount of time put into trying to enter transcriptions, to convert into tab, could just be spent learning standard notation. Learning the notes on the staff as they represent fingering - is not as difficult as most folks think once you start doing it.

Jan 19, 2021 - 3:52:10 PM

9506 posts since 3/19/2009

I sent Mr. Lemon an Example of tab for that tune.. It may have not been well received.. There is No STANDARD for fiddle tab a far as I can tell.. Each fiddler tends to write tab that works for Them.. Mine works for me.!! If tab were to explain everything that is on sheet music, well, might as well just learn to read sheet music..which really isn't that difficult. Many people look for short cuts to sheet music and yes, for many fiddle tunes, tab works, but there comes a point where, if you want the 'details', that one should just bite the bullet and learn to read standard 'dot' script.. It is really nothing to be afraid of...

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