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Violinists, help me with bowing directions on this piece please?

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Dec 14, 2020 - 12:04:57 PM
7 posts since 9/18/2019

Could someone help me with the bowing directions on this song? For instance, after measure 4 should I pick up the bow to reset for the downbeat of measure 5?


Dec 14, 2020 - 1:19:32 PM
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8933 posts since 3/19/2009

I'm no expert but I'd say YES..

Dec 14, 2020 - 2:37:59 PM
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1863 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

I'm no expert but I'd say YES..


I agree. And since there's a quarter rest there it's easy to do.

Dec 14, 2020 - 2:43:26 PM

8933 posts since 3/19/2009

So.. I think that TWO non experts count as on Expert, right Brian?

Dec 14, 2020 - 2:50:25 PM
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2546 posts since 7/12/2013

You could also start the next phrase with an upbow and slur the first two notes to get it back on track. I think either way would be fine. The tune doesn't seem like it requires a strong downbeat, so an upbow would be fine I think. --Another non-expert opinion

Edited by - fiddlinsteudel on 12/14/2020 14:55:16

Dec 14, 2020 - 3:26:21 PM
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1863 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

So.. I think that TWO non experts count as on Expert, right Brian?


That makes me feel important!

Dec 14, 2020 - 3:41:59 PM

8933 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wood
quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

So.. I think that TWO non experts count as on Expert, right Brian?


That makes me feel important!


I"ve been impotent for years..

Dec 14, 2020 - 5:52:52 PM
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2253 posts since 8/23/2008

Good opportunity to practice the 'upbow retake'.

Also at bars 8,10,16, 17, 18 and the last bar if you want to repeat.

Edited by - buckhenry on 12/14/2020 18:05:21

Dec 14, 2020 - 6:25:29 PM
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639 posts since 8/10/2017

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wood
quote:
Originally posted by TuneWeaver

I'm no expert but I'd say YES..


I agree. And since there's a quarter rest there it's easy to do.


Speak for yourself!

Dec 14, 2020 - 7:40:47 PM
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311 posts since 3/1/2020

Yes, you should replace the bow so you can have a down bow on the first beat. It’s a 4/4 tune, so beat 1 gets the strongest emphasis.

I wouldn’t start measure 5 with an up bow because it begins a new phrase. The same is true with the first measure of each line. 

Edited by - The Violin Beautiful on 12/14/2020 19:42:09

Dec 14, 2020 - 10:08:01 PM
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2537 posts since 10/6/2008

What about slurring from B to D in the third and seventh measures?

Dec 15, 2020 - 12:05:53 AM
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330 posts since 7/18/2014

Maybe try an up/up bow thing. Slur the B&D on a downbow, slur the C&B on the first up, and the A on the second up. That would sound good and set you up for the next downbow.

Dec 15, 2020 - 10:47:45 AM
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311 posts since 3/1/2020

You could put a slur in, but it’s not generally a good idea to end a phrase on an up bow, as that makes the strongest beat weaker.

Dec 15, 2020 - 11:01:38 AM

2537 posts since 10/6/2008

I'm thinking it might depend on the genre? I'm an old-time player and so I can't speak to anything else, but for me, ending a phrase on an up bow works really well because I can come into the next phrase with a strong down bow.

Dec 15, 2020 - 1:12:44 PM
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2253 posts since 8/23/2008

You could put slurs in all over the place and reverse the bowing, but obviously the OP is a beginner, and those bowings could be learnt after learning the basic bowing of 'upbow retakes' in the appropriate place to prepare for a down bow on the strongest beat. And, this tune sounds like a Hymn which he wants to play in church real soon.

Dec 15, 2020 - 1:56:43 PM

330 posts since 7/18/2014

He is not a beginner! A few days ago he posted a list of the tunes he plays with some good ole old time hard ones on the list.

What is an upbow retake?

Dec 15, 2020 - 2:03:08 PM
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DougD

USA

9976 posts since 12/2/2007

On his homepage here, Randy4string describes himself as a "novice."

Dec 15, 2020 - 2:45:55 PM
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2253 posts since 8/23/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Astrang

He is not a beginner!


Sorry, I just assumed he is a beginner by the nature of his question.

quote:


Originally posted by Randy4string

 

 should I pick up the bow to reset for the downbeat

 

quote:


Originally posted by Astrang


What is an upbow retake?

 

This is when the bow is taken off the string after a down bow. The bow is then moved 'up' without touching the string so that the next bow movement can be a 'down bow on the strong beat'.  


Dec 15, 2020 - 3:14:14 PM
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7 posts since 9/18/2019

I am a beginner on fiddle. Been playing for a year and two months, and just having a great time with it. Been a guitar player since I was a kid and picked up banjo and pedal steel later. Fiddle has been the most challenging instrument I have tackled, but I am pretty obsessed with it and getting a lot of enjoyment from being a beginner and learning something new. A big Thanks to all of you for the advice!

Dec 15, 2020 - 10:45:14 PM
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7 posts since 9/18/2019

Here's my progress so far: youtube.com/watch?v=0qrBI_d9fYQ

Dec 16, 2020 - 8:29:38 AM
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25 posts since 11/20/2020

I’d try it several ways and decide which sounds the best to you.it seems like a tune where you could emphasize phrasing—separating the melody into cohesive parts that could have different bowing and dynamics.

Dec 18, 2020 - 7:50:14 AM
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4289 posts since 6/23/2007

I'll bet this is a slow tune. The 5th measure is a dotted half note followed by a rest. I would just keep the up/down pattern in the 4th measure "going".

Over time I have stopped relying as much on the downbow. I often use a slur to change bow direction. In fact, I often bow a tune differently each time I play it. Whatever makes the music sound best.

Dec 25, 2020 - 8:56:18 AM

Earworm

USA

170 posts since 1/30/2018

I have never removed my bow from my strings. I firmly believe that while I sleep it is still going.

Dec 25, 2020 - 9:06:15 AM

1863 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Dick Hauser

Over time I have stopped relying as much on the downbow. I often use a slur to change bow direction. In fact, I often bow a tune differently each time I play it. Whatever makes the music sound best.


I agree with you on that. I generally bow tunes simalarly each time, but there are places in many tunes that I play freely. Changing up the bowing makes you a more flexible player and keeps some tunes from sounding boring. I think John Hartford said something about changing bowing every few measures, and it didn't seem to hurt his playing. Vassar was another revered player who didn't seem to think it was so important how he bowed.

Edited by - Brian Wood on 12/25/2020 09:09:58

Dec 25, 2020 - 9:52:21 AM

5016 posts since 9/26/2008

I agree, but would also say neither of them were dance fiddlers. Their playing was great in a bluegrass band (or any of the many genres they played) but would have been less than desirable for a dance. That is where the strong down bow is put into context, guiding the dancers to the next figure and phrase.

Dec 25, 2020 - 10:04:08 AM
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1863 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

I agree, but would also say neither of them were dance fiddlers. 

That's a good point.

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