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Dec 11, 2020 - 9:14:10 AM

WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

I'm trialing a Coda Prodigy and like the bow but the pad is too slick.  The other bow I'm trying as well as the ones I own are not slick.  Think smooth plastic vs rubber.

If I buy the Coda, how can I make the pad less slick without messing something up?

Dec 11, 2020 - 9:55:54 AM

5486 posts since 9/26/2008

Is it leather?

Dec 11, 2020 - 9:57:10 AM

WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

Is it leather?


I'm pretty sure it is, Billy.

Dec 11, 2020 - 12:33:38 PM
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5486 posts since 9/26/2008

I'm not sure of an answer but it is a piece that is eventually meant to be replaced when it wears out so whatever you do isn't the end of the world so to speak. You could rough it up with some super fine sandpaper

Dec 11, 2020 - 1:23:20 PM

558 posts since 3/1/2020

Perhaps the thumb grip is a finer grained leather/synthetic material than what you usually have. You could have a new thumb grip put on that has more surface texture.

Kangaroo leather is fairly fine, while goat and lizard have more texture. I keep a selection of different materials so my customers can choose the texture and color (if they’re so inclined).

If you don’t own the bow, don’t do anything to it. Abrading the leather will harm it.

Dec 11, 2020 - 2:30:28 PM

WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by The Violin Beautiful

Perhaps the thumb grip is a finer grained leather/synthetic material than what you usually have. You could have a new thumb grip put on that has more surface texture.

Kangaroo leather is fairly fine, while goat and lizard have more texture. I keep a selection of different materials so my customers can choose the texture and color (if they’re so inclined).

If you don’t own the bow, don’t do anything to it. Abrading the leather will harm it.


I hear ya, Rich.   If I buy the Coda Prodigy, it will be the highest cost bow I own.   I know it's a "student" bow but, hey, I'm a 73 year old student.   I also prefer the Coda Prodigy to the NX that came with the 4 bow set that Shar sent me.  I also like the Presto Encore when compared to the higher cost Presto Ovation that arrived in the 4 bow case from Shar.  A man of simple tastessmiley

Whichever bow I buy, I got in on the 25% Black Friday discount.   I'm thinking of buying the Prodigy and Encore.  (No, I sure don't "need them" but I've been saving for the future all my life and finally figured out, the future is now!) 

At full retail, the Presto Encore is $146 lower in cost.   At the discount, $84 lower.  I felt the Prodigy and Encore were very close in feel and sound.  At full retail, the Encore is what I would buy.  

The only blessing I've found in getting older and having to wear hearing aids is?  I don't know.  I guess I can't tell much difference between bows and fiddles.  My fiddles sound like what my audiologist programed them for.   The money I save from buying high dollar bows (and fiddles) can be applied towards my next set of hearing aids!  Oh, happy day.

BTW, the pad is made out of Moroccan leather.   The one on the Presto Prodigy?  I don't know.  But, it slightly less in diameter than the Coda pad and is not slick at all.

Thanks, Rich

Dec 11, 2020 - 2:48:36 PM
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WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

I'm not sure of an answer but it is a piece that is eventually meant to be replaced when it wears out so whatever you do isn't the end of the world so to speak. You could rough it up with some super fine sandpaper


I thought about that, Billy.   I'll see how things shake out. 

I experimented with my low cost (and free bows included in the fiddle packages) and removed the windings and pad to get the weight down a bit and improve "traction" and comfort.  I did this on a wood bow and my first "Kmise" Chinese bow which, by the way, is a heck of a value, IMO and I found no hits in a search of this site.   My best bow was the Fiddlerman $70.00 C.F. bow but it shed hair like the dickens.   I had ordered a $30.00 Kmise bow for a spare and was pretty danged impressed.   I ordered the higher cost, Fiddlerman "fusion" type bow ($120.00) but sent it back and I wouldn't have traded the Kmise bow for it.  I ordered another $70.00 Fiddlerman bow and it didn't sound or "feel" like the first one and it was a crooked stick so I sent it back.  I just received another Kmise bow (the price went up to $35.00) and put it in the "rotation" testing I've been doing and was pretty impressed. 

Oops, I lost track of where I was going.  On the Kmise and wood bow, after stripping off the pad and windings, I slid on some heat shrink tubing.  It was a major improvement IMO.  The bows dropped 2-3 grams and the heat shrink is grippy for whatever length you make it (for those who "choke up").

For anyone reading this, here's the link for a pretty darned good bow for the money.  A great backup bow.  Hair wears out, toss it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J19ABGI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dec 11, 2020 - 4:25:45 PM
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DougD

USA

10329 posts since 12/2/2007

Why not call Shar and explain the problem and see what they have to say? After all, its still their bow. Maybe its just this particular bow, not all of that model. I wouldn't buy something I wasn't completely happy with.
Although the grip can wear out and need replacement its not so cheap to have done. On my main playing bow I asked my luthier to make a little thicker grip, because I have big hands and sometimes grip too tightly, so its more comfortable. Not sure I would do that again.
As far as heat shrink tubing, I have one bow that needed a grip, but my luthier declined to waste time on it. But he did give me a rubber grip that slides on the stick. It works pretty well, but doesn't always stay put. I think you can buy those, but its no replacement for nice leather, well installed.

Dec 11, 2020 - 5:07:28 PM
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WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Why not call Shar and explain the problem and see what they have to say? After all, its still their bow. Maybe its just this particular bow, not all of that model. I wouldn't buy something I wasn't completely happy with.
Although the grip can wear out and need replacement its not so cheap to have done. On my main playing bow I asked my luthier to make a little thicker grip, because I have big hands and sometimes grip too tightly, so its more comfortable. Not sure I would do that again.
As far as heat shrink tubing, I have one bow that needed a grip, but my luthier declined to waste time on it. But he did give me a rubber grip that slides on the stick. It works pretty well, but doesn't always stay put. I think you can buy those, but its no replacement for nice leather, well installed.


Thanks for the great response.   I don't have a luthier.  There's no luthier's for hundreds of miles around here.   I'm (for better or worse) my own luthier.   I'd bet that all of the Coda's are the same and that most folks have no problem adapting to various things involving bows.  And, if I play this bow on a regular basis, I'd bet that I'd get "dialed in" pretty quick.   I do enjoy playing this bow and it's probably the best one I'd ever own.  

I know there is lots of "tradition" in all things "violin".   There are pads on bows and that they are a result of  "tradition".   That doesn't mean they are right for everyone but most folks accept the "norm" and get along fine.  I should be one of those people.  We'll see.

One of the things in the back of my mind is passing my love of music and my banjos and fiddles on to my grandson's.  How many of us have read about folks inheriting banjos/ fiddles from "grandpa".   They are generally "sub standard".  I have two great open back banjos and a couple of pretty "OK" fiddles that are probably light years better that what we often read about when "inheritors" ask about their grandad's banjo/fiddles .  When I'm gone, I'd like my grandson's to inherit something nice (including bows) that they can  treasure even if they will never play them.  They'll probably sell them and "invest" in video games but, that doesn't  concern me.  I'll be gonesurprise

I'm just a "fiddle hack" compared to most of the folks on this group but that doesn't mean I'm not having a blast!

Dec 11, 2020 - 5:14:13 PM

DougD

USA

10329 posts since 12/2/2007

Don't "go" just yet, Bob!

Dec 11, 2020 - 5:32:23 PM
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WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Don't "go" just yet, Bob!


Ain't figuring on it.  Heck, just like the other day, I woke up and said, "I feel like a new woman, but there's never one around when you need her".   I had to duck a flying pillow tossed by my wife of 51 years.  

That' s OK.  Lazy Boy's are all that uncomfortable once you get used to themsurprise  And, the pillow's don't hurt nearly as much as they did 20-30-40 years agosmiley

Dec 12, 2020 - 7:51:41 AM

WyoBob

USA

301 posts since 5/16/2019

quote:
Originally posted by WyoBob
quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Don't "go" just yet, Bob!


Ain't figuring on it.  Heck, just like the other day, I woke up and said, "I feel like a 25 year old, but there's never one around when you need her".   I had to duck a flying pillow tossed by my wife of 51 years.  

That' s OK.  Lazy Boy's are all that uncomfortable once you get used to themsurprise  And, the pillow's don't hurt nearly as much as they did 20-30-40 years agosmiley


Joke corrected above so it makes sense.  Brain fade (again)frown

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