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Oct 28, 2020 - 8:39:17 AM
11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Yes, say something...please! I wanna hear a fiddler say something.

I was gonna play a tune on my presonus this morning, but tried a little and I just don't think it should hurt that bad to play...scared I'm injuring it further when I try...so I didn't ... not sure what is ok or not ok. Seems it shouldn't hurt to do something that's ok to do...I'm just confused and lost...

The physical therapist seemed surprised when I told her the exercises hurt to do and feel like they are cracking my bones around...so I'm like...well...I mean...is it ok or if it's surprising then should it not hurt???? Am I injuring it further? I mean...I really don't wanna go backward with this...having enough trouble as it is trying to go forward or even figure out which way forward is...lol...just lost.

Somebody say something about fiddling so I can at least think about playing, if I'm too freaked out to suffer through it myself.

Oct 28, 2020 - 8:47:47 AM

31 posts since 1/28/2018

Hi Peggy,
sorry to read you're having problems with the hand.
I'd never think to give medical advice, so no help here i'm afraid.
What was the therapists' answer to your questions?

Oct 28, 2020 - 9:16:22 AM
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221 posts since 6/11/2019

Sorry for your pain. I do know that people have much pain during therapy from a knee replacement. As in, if you don't have the pain, the joint will not function properly after it completely heals.

Anyway, as far as music, here's a Dillard's song that I like very much--no fiddle in it and kind of a blues song, but what do you expect from bluegrass. Dillards really should have had a fiddler with them coming from the Ozarks.  It suits real well today, it's been raining on the Ozarks for a few days now. Much awaited fall rains. Don't know if it's raining out your way yet...

It's Raining Here this Morning

Cheers!

Oct 28, 2020 - 9:20:37 AM
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Peghead

USA

1587 posts since 1/21/2009

Hi Peggy, I know how you feel. I put more wear and tear on my body with working and accidents, etc. by the the time was 30 than most 60 year olds. I had a terrible thing happen to the joint of my left index finger on a machine. I sat in the ER and just hung my head and cried because I thought my string playing days were over. All I can tell you is we get better. I promise you will. I suspect you're a little impatient? It just takes a while, do what ever they say and don't stress. Relax and accept the time needed and don't reinjure it or cause inflammation.

Oct 28, 2020 - 9:42:39 AM
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bsed

USA

4102 posts since 6/23/2007

My $.05

I think if it hurts to do something, you shouldn't do it. I'm sure having patience is not what you really want. But I agree with them that say ya don't want to reinjure yourself.

Oct 28, 2020 - 10:00:25 AM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Oh cool...lots of talk here...whew, ok thanks, guys. Dave, I don't know what her answer was...I was confused and a lot was going on at the time and I didn't get whether she was surprised because I said it hurt, because it did hurt, or because I myself was surprised it hurt and so she in turn was surprised by my surpise...etc. I don't know...I'm just confused at this point.

And yes, whoever mentioned impatience...that's me...I mean, the first day I got a guitar I played until my fingers were bruised and blisters bleeding and still kept on playing because I wanted to learn and not sit around crying over my fingers...lol. But now I'm both impatient and afraid that I do wanna hurry and just play, plus do other stuff I can't do (open up jars, pick up the cast iron frying pans...which is all we have and all I've ever had...so that's a bummer I can't pick up a pan...I mean, I can with my left hand but my left hand is so torqued out of its own realm of existence now it's feeling kinda out of sorts too, pour coffee...I try but I make a big mess every doggone time, cut up a piece of meat ...I eat meat like a big cookie now...gross but I can't cut it up, etc., etc., etc.
When is all of this supposed to come back to me, not to mention the music...like...when I can ride bikes with my grandson or cut the okra stalks by myself, etc.? I can't just sit around asking for help...I've never asked anyone to help me before in my life...Mike knows that...if he ever offered help it just sent me into high gear and I would just work harder...don't know why, but I don't like to be helped. Yes, I'm a very impatient person and patience is being forced onto me now.

Thanks for the Dillards song, Scott. Well I agree they were really good but did need a fiddler. You know, I love the old B & W Andy Griffith show, it really is so much like our old hometown of Williamsburg, how it used to be (no longer is)...but there's two problems with it...the Dillards need a fiddler, for sure, and Andy shoulda had Doc Watson in there in some of the episodes. Besides that, the show is perfect.

Greg, glad yours healed up and yeah...time does help so many things. Thanks for the remnder.

Bruce...that's what I'm thinknig...if this stuff is hurting so much, seems like it can't be good for it...that's what I'm so confused about...my instinct is if it hurts it's doing some harm...I mean...situps...ok there's some burn involved and fatigue, but it's not tearing your bones apart...this pain is different and feels injurious...so...I'm not understanindg what it is I ought to be doing...or maybe I'm not communicating well with the professionals. I'm lost and confused. 5 weeks from surgery now and it seems I should be functioning better and without a lot of pain...confused to the max.

Oct 28, 2020 - 10:29:44 AM
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DougD

USA

9828 posts since 12/2/2007

It seems to me these are questions you should ask your therapist or your doctor. If you are confused when you see them you should put your questions in writing and ask for a written response.
As far as the Dillards, they put out a great instrumental album in 1965 with Byron Berline playing fiddle. You can listen to it here: youtu.be/Wz13efY5kIw
That was the first time most people heard Byron Berline. He tells the story of how he met them on his Facebook page.

Oct 28, 2020 - 12:17:16 PM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

I have asked the doctor and therapist but I come away confused...lol. Seems the discussions don't match real life situations.
Cool about the Dillards and fiddler Byron Berline. I do wish there was a fiddler on the old Andy Griffiths, and on the episodes with Mayberry's guitar player, Jim Lindsey I think his name was supposed to be...they shoulda had Doc Watson on there instead of that guy pretending to play...besides that...the episodes were great...lol...nobody asked my opinion, but since I am approx. same age as Opie, i guess they didn't care to poll six year olds and such back then.

Oct 28, 2020 - 12:37:56 PM
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221 posts since 6/11/2019

Yeah, Jim Lindsey..."The Guitar Man" episode...I recognized the actor as "Roscoe P. Coltrane" from Dukes of Hazzard, whoever that is. On the closeups, they would show a real guitar player's hands just a-wearing it out.

I think I will buy that Dillards Pickin and Fiddlin "album." Good 'urn

Oct 28, 2020 - 1:04:09 PM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Yeah that shoulda been Doc Watson with his real fingers.

Oct 28, 2020 - 2:41:27 PM
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3059 posts since 6/21/2007

Peggy -

I would suggest that you take your fiddle with you to the next therapy session and show the therapist what you are doing - sometimes a picture (or tune) is really worth a thousand words). You might also ask if you should bring your other instruments for the same show-and-tell.

Oct 28, 2020 - 4:38:52 PM
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221 posts since 6/11/2019

Yes, I say the above is a very good idea--medical people don't know much about fiddle/music--ie, I wear hearing aids, and had to go in several times so to get them programmed right--they would just slap cut off when bowing the E-string.

But, I'll still bring up that in my experience, normal after-surgery joint therapy tends to be painful--my uncle sulled against his exercises after knee surgery and as a result, he still hobbles around, but mom had the same surgery and grinded through the assignments, and she has no problem now, up and down stairs, etc. Good luck, be patient

Oct 28, 2020 - 6:06:10 PM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

I'd be too embarrassed to bring in my instruments...lol...would be a good idea but I can't see me doing that.

Oct 28, 2020 - 6:32:22 PM
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DougD

USA

9828 posts since 12/2/2007

Maybe you should bring a cast iron skillet then. They probably haven't seen one of them either!

Oct 28, 2020 - 7:08:33 PM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

lol.

Oct 29, 2020 - 8:35:35 AM
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RichJ

USA

366 posts since 8/6/2013

Sorry I missed all the chatter yesterday. Amy and I just got a new kitten from the local animal shelter. She's only 8 weeks old and didn't have a lot of human contact prior to adoption. We've been trying to acclimate her to her new digs, a slow process which requires a lot of patience. So, while I'm on the subject of patients maybe a word on this to my friend Peggy. As a retired horse doc (aka: veterinarian) I can tell you bones take longer to heal than most other things in the body. That's because bone is super tough tissue that does all the structural supporting. So, you just have to let nature take its course (and time) to get things done. You've really been making great progress up to now Peggy and I'm sure this will continue. But maybe, some of the pain you've been feeling lately is because you're pushing a bit too hard. I sure miss those Peggy recordings but also sure we'll all be hearing them again. So, please try to be patient and let ma nature take her tootin' time. smileyheart

Oct 29, 2020 - 10:22:10 AM
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There ya go Peggy; Easy does it. I trust a vet'nary more than a doctor these days. Cept our home vet. He raised his rate after 35 years. I said i always thought his rates were quite fair in the past. Five dollars and the hyde. (old Baxter Black joke)

Oct 29, 2020 - 11:20:10 AM
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120 posts since 3/19/2012

My wife sometimes says, "Patience is a virtue, catch it if you can. Sometimes found in woman, seldom found in man." I always remember the King, in Disney's Cinderella, bellowing, "I AM patient!!" That said, we're all eagerly awaiting for when this COVID thing gets beat, and the bars re-open.

Oct 29, 2020 - 11:23:48 AM
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2535 posts since 7/12/2013

I just learned that there are Native American fiddle tunes!!! I can't to hear some and learn to play them, that seems super cool.

Oct 29, 2020 - 11:24:19 AM
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11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Hey guys...had an appointment with the ortho doctor today. He says it takes 6 months to fully heal from this thing I did to myself...which, by the way, I'm still pretty mad at myself for doing in the first place...lol. So anyway he thought I was doing good for 5 weeks out...but doggone it I fogort so many of the questions I'd had for him...the visits go so fast I can't think and I'm always really nervous there. I described the clawhammer technique, as I had done for the physical therapist, and like the physical therapist... he says no clawhammer for a long time, but fiddling and guitar playing are ok.

My big confusion is he says don't do anything that hurts...well..playing the guitar and fiddle hurts, but that's ok...physical therapy exercises hurt but theyre ok...so I'm afraid I can't tell the difference between an ok hurt and a not ok hurt...thus, my confusion...I'm like, what about opening jars? I always prided myself in being the person who could open up any jar...he's like..." Oh no...nobody should ever open jars...that will destroy your thumbs!" So... ok...well we don't have can openers and jar openers and gadgets and all that...so...everybody I ever knew opened jars and their thumbs were ok...so...? What about busting up rock with a 16 lb hammer? He's like..." Well you'll know when you're ready for that again." So...I'm afraid I can't discern these things and I feel confused.

But anyhow, it was good to hear him say I'm progressing fast...I sure hope so. It's just all bizarre and weird to me.

Yes, I think vets are usually so much better than people doctors at knowing all this kinda stuff...so...thanks for that reminder, Rich...and the people doctor agrees with you on this...lol...so, it's good to see he's thinking like a horse doctor. I hope your new kitten situation is coming along...we had ferrel kittens before and it really does take a lot of patience to get them to understand they can join the family and be a part of it all...hope it goes well for you guys.

Oct 29, 2020 - 1:31:45 PM
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RichJ

USA

366 posts since 8/6/2013

True, veterinarians have patients that can't talk which make it difficult to figure out what's wrong but, sometimes that's better than having a patient that does talk and TELLS LIES.wink

Oct 29, 2020 - 2:27:33 PM
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3059 posts since 6/21/2007

I've been told since a baby: "Write your questions down!!!!!"

I'll make the same suggestion, but leave off the exclamation points.

(It works - as long as you remember to take the list with you, and then remember you have it.)

Oct 29, 2020 - 3:51:29 PM
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11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Yeah I usually just rely on my memory, but seems like my nerves and the craziness of a doctor's office are a poor match for good memory. Well I have to go back in a few weeks, so I'll take a list then.

Oct 29, 2020 - 3:57:14 PM
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WyoBob

USA

152 posts since 5/16/2019

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Hey guys...had an appointment with the ortho doctor today. He says it takes 6 months to fully heal from this thing I did to myself...which, by the way, I'm still pretty mad at myself for doing in the first place...lol.

Yeah, I'm still mad at myself for doing my stupid "slip trick".  But, once I think about it, not so much.  My healing up from a shattered wrist is what prompted me to buy my first banjo 8 years ago and led to a great adventure learning old time music on the banjo and now the fiddle.

So anyway he thought I was doing good for 5 weeks out...but doggone it I forgot so many of the questions I'd had for him...the visits go so fast I can't think and I'm always really nervous there.

Yep, write it all down.

I described the clawhammer technique, as I had done for the physical therapist, and like the physical therapist... he says no clawhammer for a long time, but fiddling and guitar playing are ok.

I agree.  I went to Aquila Nylgut strings played with a finger pick worn backwards as I thought it was the most gentle way to play.  Low tension strings and the pick will lead to increased volume with less effort.   Perhaps, until you're up to full speed, you could look into two finger index or thumb lead. 

My big confusion is he says don't do anything that hurts...well..playing the guitar and fiddle hurts, but that's ok...physical therapy exercises hurt but theyre ok...so I'm afraid I can't tell the difference between an ok hurt and a not ok hurt...thus, my confusion...I'm like, what about opening jars? I always prided myself in being the person who could open up any jar..

I liked to drink cranberry juice that came in the big plastic bottle.  No way I could open it as my left arm/wrist/hand was worthless.   So, I slid a kitchen drawer open, put the jug in, width wise, pressed the door shut with my right thigh and used my right hand.  There's other things that I could go into about taking a shower and drying off with one functioning arm but ---- I ain't gonna to theresurprise

he's like..." Oh no...nobody should ever open jars...that will destroy your thumbs!" So... ok...well we don't have can openers and jar openers and gadgets and all that...so...everybody I ever knew opened jars and their thumbs were ok...so...? What about busting up rock with a 16 lb hammer? He's like..." Well you'll know when you're ready for that again." So...I'm afraid I can't discern these things and I feel confused.

But anyhow, it was good to hear him say I'm progressing fast...I sure hope so. It's just all bizarre and weird to me.

Yes, I think vets are usually so much better than people doctors at knowing all this kinda stuff.

But, doctors don't shoot you between the eyes or put a needle in you if you don't get better!sad

.so...thanks for that reminder, Rich...and the people doctor agrees with you on this...lol...so, it's good to see he's thinking like a horse doctor. I hope your new kitten situation is coming along...we had ferrel kittens before and it really does take a lot of patience to get them to understand they can join the family and be a part of it all...hope it goes well for you guys.


WyoBob

Oct 29, 2020 - 6:42:26 PM

11412 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks, Bob.

Oct 29, 2020 - 8:34:59 PM
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534 posts since 8/3/2013

Cheers!

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