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Oct 22, 2020 - 3:05:41 AM

Jimbeaux

Germany

356 posts since 5/24/2016

I'm thinking of buying this old fiddle because I can do the repairs it needs. The only thing that worries me is whether this ill-fitted saddle has been glued in with some kind of glue that will destroy the fiddle if I try to remove it.

The seller's only asking 100 which is why I'm interested. More a just-for-fun project than anything serious.

Opinions?


Oct 22, 2020 - 4:14:26 AM

kjb

USA

716 posts since 6/8/2013

you probably can remove that glue, maybe elmers, I can't see from the pic that well , but with some scraping and touch up you should be all right, looks like some more gluing needed also.

Oct 22, 2020 - 4:20:36 AM

Jimbeaux

Germany

356 posts since 5/24/2016

quote:
Originally posted by kjb

you probably can remove that glue, maybe elmers, I can't see from the pic that well , but with some scraping and touch up you should be all right, looks like some more gluing needed also.


Yea, more glue to the bottom right. Should be easy.

Thanks for the feedback! 

Oct 22, 2020 - 6:01:39 AM

8797 posts since 3/19/2009

You Might try and wet an area of the glue and see if it is water soluble..That may indicate that it is hide glue....

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 10/22/2020 06:03:11

Oct 22, 2020 - 6:19:07 AM
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Swing

USA

1979 posts since 6/26/2007

You can soften and remove glues like Elmers by applying vinegar to the glue... it will soften in a bit of time, then you can remove the piece , clean the glue joint, refit and glue with the proper type of glue....

Play Happy

Swing

Oct 22, 2020 - 6:47:57 AM

2290 posts since 10/1/2008

Thanks Swing. I didn't know that about vinegar. R/

Oct 22, 2020 - 8:13:04 AM

1831 posts since 8/27/2008

You can carefully cut it out, assuming you can make a new one.

Oct 23, 2020 - 12:25:44 PM

GeoB

USA

17 posts since 7/22/2020

Rosa string works on YouTube has a number of examples of working with glues and they are about an hour long maybe a little shorter but they are very informative.

One important thing to remember is that glue does not stick to glue. You have to remove all glue as much as you possibly can before reattaching.

Oct 23, 2020 - 1:34:37 PM

1831 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by GeoB


One important thing to remember is that glue does not stick to glue. You have to remove all glue as much as you possibly can before reattaching.


Generally good advice, but you can heat and moisten a joint that you know has hide glue and new hide glue will work with it.

Oct 24, 2020 - 1:32:53 AM

Jimbeaux

Germany

356 posts since 5/24/2016

quote:
Originally posted by Swing

You can soften and remove glues like Elmers by applying vinegar to the glue... it will soften in a bit of time, then you can remove the piece , clean the glue joint, refit and glue with the proper type of glue....

Play Happy

Swing


I assume vinegar could hurt the finish, right? Not as bad alcohol but worse than water maybe? 

Oct 24, 2020 - 4:19:11 AM
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Swing

USA

1979 posts since 6/26/2007

Jim Vinegar is a wonder material but I really cannot answer your question about hurting the finish... alcohol is a solvent for many violin finishes and vinegar is not, so I would presume that it would be safe to use... trying a dab on the finish would certainly be the test.

Play Happy

Swing

Oct 24, 2020 - 9:01:44 AM

Jimbeaux

Germany

356 posts since 5/24/2016

quote:
Originally posted by Swing

Jim Vinegar is a wonder material but I really cannot answer your question about hurting the finish... alcohol is a solvent for many violin finishes and vinegar is not, so I would presume that it would be safe to use... trying a dab on the finish would certainly be the test.

Play Happy

Swing


I can give it a try. It's not like it's a stradivarius cheeky

Oct 24, 2020 - 9:56:38 AM

DougD

USA

9828 posts since 12/2/2007

Joints made with glues like Elmers or Original Titebond (as often used by guitar builders) can be undone with heat and/or moisture. Vinegar helps too. Look around online for information - there's plenty of discussion on woodworking forums. Here's one at Maestronet: maestronet.com/forum/index.php...ond-glue/

Edited by - DougD on 10/24/2020 10:00:14

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