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Oct 16, 2020 - 7:49:36 AM
17 posts since 11/7/2019

Long story short, a few friends and I have a "Beginners Fiddle" group we run on facebook messenger. Idea is every two weeks we pick a new tune, provide some learning resources and we all do our best to learn some version of the tune. We then share a video of us playing the tune and offer some feedback. After that, the next person in rotation picks and we move on. If you like the tune, you can keep working on it or if you don't want to, you can forget about it. BIGGEST thing is that the chooser is NOT supposed to already know how to play the tune and everyone posts SOMETHING. Even if it isn't that good yet.
So this brings me to the subject:
Except for Tennessee Waltz, blackest crow and Moonlight on the Water, what are some good "chestnut" waltzes for  "beginner" fiddle players to have to practice on? Any Suggestions?

Thanks!

Edited by - Gentleman From VA on 10/16/2020 08:33:34

Oct 16, 2020 - 10:27 AM
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11 posts since 7/18/2020

Oklahoma Waltz (from Thede), Sleepy Waltz (from Christensen OTFR), I'll Be All Smiles Tonight, Over The Waves. These are fairly easy and popular. Missouri Waltz is also pretty common for fiddle.

I also like Waltzing With The One I Love, a Sarah Armstrong piece from Hill Country Tunes (mne.psu.edu/lamancusa/tunes/hct/), though it does have a couple of double stops which can be simplified for beginners.

Oct 16, 2020 - 10:32:54 AM
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210 posts since 3/1/2020

Southwind, Planxty Fanny Power, and the Swedish Waltz are easy but pretty ones.

Oct 16, 2020 - 11:40:40 AM

17 posts since 11/7/2019

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Originally posted by Evermore

Oklahoma Waltz (from Thede), Sleepy Waltz (from Christensen OTFR), I'll Be All Smiles Tonight, Over The Waves. These are fairly easy and popular. Missouri Waltz is also pretty common for fiddle.

I also like Waltzing With The One I Love, a Sarah Armstrong piece from Hill Country Tunes (mne.psu.edu/lamancusa/tunes/hct/), though it does have a couple of double stops which can be simplified for beginners.


Thank you! I'll look em up!

Oct 16, 2020 - 11:41:03 AM

17 posts since 11/7/2019

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Originally posted by The Violin Beautiful

Southwind, Planxty Fanny Power, and the Swedish Waltz are easy but pretty ones.


Oh thank you! I'll look this up too!

Oct 16, 2020 - 3:25:20 PM
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3053 posts since 6/21/2007

Two that I picked up fairly quickly were "Westphalia Waltz" and "Peek-a-Boo Waltz." Westphalia can be very simple or lots of notes, but I think it is a very pretty tune. Peek-a-boo is fun, but simple.

Oct 16, 2020 - 4:13:09 PM
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210 posts since 3/1/2020

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Originally posted by BanjoBrad

Two that I picked up fairly quickly were "Westphalia Waltz" and "Peek-a-Boo Waltz." Westphalia can be very simple or lots of notes, but I think it is a very pretty tune. Peek-a-boo is fun, but simple.


Westphalia Waltz is a great suggestion! I haven't played that one in a long time, but I always enjoyed it. 

Oct 16, 2020 - 5:42:49 PM
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2067 posts since 10/22/2007

Love the Southwind, Rich! Great suggestion.
Ok, how 'bout the Ky. Waltz, or the Ook Pik Waltz.
Oh yes, Bill Powel's Waltz, or the Tom Bigby Waltz.

Oct 16, 2020 - 5:59:42 PM
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210 posts since 3/1/2020

I thought about Ookpik but didn’t list it because of the compound rhythm and ornamentation (at least in the version I know). That may be my favorite waltz and it’s not terribly difficult, just a couple phrases that might be tricky for a new player.

Oct 16, 2020 - 6:11:16 PM
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204 posts since 6/11/2019

Another vote for Kentucky Waltz--it predates TN waltz; also Ookpick--nice dorian sound.

Country Waltz; Georgiana Moon, Blue Moon of Kentucky, Amazing Grace.

I would also suggest "3/4-timing" your favorite "square-time" songs.  Easy to do.

Edited by - Flat_the_3rd_n7th on 10/16/2020 18:15:35

Oct 16, 2020 - 6:54:37 PM
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568 posts since 8/10/2017

Tombigbee Waltz is nice. Cowboy Waltz is also nice.

Oct 17, 2020 - 4:06:20 PM
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187 posts since 6/3/2016

Waltz of the Little Girls / Valse Pour Les Petite Jeunes Filles in D is a great, easy waltz.

Edited by - RinconMtnErnie on 10/17/2020 16:13:22

Oct 17, 2020 - 4:42:42 PM
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Petimar

USA

141 posts since 9/13/2007

Ash Grove, Amazing Grace, Cora is Gone, Goodnight Irene, Down Home Waltz, Greensleeves, In the Pines, Kaisers Waltz, etc.

Oct 18, 2020 - 6:39:02 AM
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Fiddler

USA

4110 posts since 6/22/2007

My Own Home Waltz - I know two versions and both are fairly easy.

Version 1 - popularized by Highwoods String Band. I play this in AEae which allows for a nice variation without having to learn new fingerings.

Version 2 - in G. Popular in contra dance circles (at least back in the early 80s). The B-part is quite a bit different from that in Version 1. This version is in Mixolydian mode (flatted 7th) which is particularly noticeable in the last phrase of each part.

Oct 18, 2020 - 8:55:31 AM
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2067 posts since 10/22/2007

Don't know if all 3/4 tunes are Waltzes, but Jolie Blon, is another. Only two chords!

Oct 18, 2020 - 5:57:42 PM
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204 posts since 6/11/2019

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Originally posted by farmerjones

Don't know if all 3/4 tunes are Waltzes, but Jolie Blon, is another. Only two chords!


Jolie Blonde--the Cajun national anthem...

going to fill fruit jar now

Oct 19, 2020 - 6:30:14 AM
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9 posts since 10/4/2018

Faded Love. One of the most well known and great twin fiddle waltz.
Don't forget Take me out to the Ballgame

Oct 19, 2020 - 6:54:42 AM

17 posts since 11/7/2019

Oh man! Great suggestions! I'll have to sit back and digest this for a little while

Thank you everyone!

Oct 19, 2020 - 8:55:10 AM
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DougD

USA

9783 posts since 12/2/2007

Here is the original recording of "Ookpik Waltz" played by the composer, Frankie Rodgers:. youtu.be/B2IwkS4xHIc
I don't play this tune, but if I did this would be my model. I don't think I hear any compound rhythms or particularly difficult ornamentation.
I believe "My Own House" is Scottish in origin, where it is usually called "My Home." Over there the B part is quite different from the way we recorded it, but the tempo seems equally brisk.

Oct 19, 2020 - 2:46:24 PM
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2 posts since 10/19/2020

Following!

“Cowboy Waltz” by Woody Guthrie if it hasn’t already cropped up!

“Sweet Bunch of Daisies” is great and can be as simple as you can imagine—but it’s all in that sweet finesse

Oct 19, 2020 - 3:56:55 PM
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5808 posts since 8/7/2009

I don't play many waltzes, but I do enjoy playing "Little Devil Waltz" from Kenny Jackson's CD "Over The Mountain". Easy and fun to play.

Oct 19, 2020 - 7:22:46 PM
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Fiddler

USA

4110 posts since 6/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Here is the original recording of "Ookpik Waltz" played by the composer, Frankie Rodgers:. youtu.be/B2IwkS4xHIc
I don't play this tune, but if I did this would be my model. I don't think I hear any compound rhythms or particularly difficult ornamentation.
I believe "My Own House" is Scottish in origin, where it is usually called "My Home." Over there the B part is quite different from the way we recorded it, but the tempo seems equally brisk.


Yes, My Home (aka My Own Home in this country) has Scottish roots. I know that it has been used as a slow march by some bagpipe bands. Here's what I found on "The Session" website. 

The tune was published in 6/8 in the Patrick McDonald collection of 1784 under the title of "Posadh peathar In bhain" (and is still known as a jig called "John Bain’s Sister’s Wedding"). The melody in 3/4 became a popular Gaelic song, "Mo Dhachaid" ("My Home" or "My Ain Hoose") written by Malcolm Macfarlane.

Oct 19, 2020 - 7:50:37 PM
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210 posts since 3/1/2020

The version of Ookpik I grew up with is more like Jay Unger’s version, except there is a bar with a 4 over 3 rhythm. There are a decent number of arpeggios as well. That’s still my favorite version.

Oct 20, 2020 - 6:40:56 AM

17 posts since 11/7/2019

Wow! The hits keep coming. I won't be struggling for waltz suggestions for a while. haha

Keep em coming, I'm also loving the discussion too!

Thank Ya'll

Oct 21, 2020 - 2:39:24 AM

DougD

USA

9783 posts since 12/2/2007

Thought you might be interested in this portrait of Jeannie Snowball, the artist who created the "Ookpik" doll which stared the craze in the 1960's that inspired the tune:. findingaids.library.dal.ca/upl...2_009.jpg

Oct 21, 2020 - 6:15:51 AM

2067 posts since 10/22/2007

Ok, this is about where fj suggests to make up your own Waltzes. This takes less skill than you'd think. It stems from almost knowing a melody, filling the blank space with stuff/notes. 
1. 3/4 time
2. Hook
3. Repeat hook.
4. Turn around
5. Repeat hook again (to resolve)

Especially dancers seem to prefer a simple melody.

Edited by - farmerjones on 10/21/2020 06:21:16

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