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Aug 5, 2020 - 1:22:58 PM
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Seems that I'm THINKING that I'm more than a functional fiddler.. The world would be impressed if they could just hear me play.. with or without accompaniment .. However, once I turn on a recording device.. All H#!! brakes loose and every squeek, squawk and slick bow spot..shows up...and I sound terrible..
It is called "Red light fever"....bummer..
I'm glad I'M the only one who has this problem..

Aug 5, 2020 - 1:45:35 PM

89 posts since 6/8/2020

No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.

It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.

Aug 5, 2020 - 1:55:18 PM

89 posts since 6/8/2020

Geez! I seem to be all over this board. Sorry about that folks. All this staying at home has me a little restless.

Aug 5, 2020 - 1:57:47 PM
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I'm video-ing myself daily in a feeble attempt to get mellow enough to do a vid that won't embarrass me.

Aug 5, 2020 - 1:59:43 PM

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Originally posted by Johnbow

No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.

It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.


It is interesting.. I'm fine if I play in front of 75 dancers.. not a bit of nervousness.. Except when comes to a waltz (my weakness).. then I think that Everyone is going to judge me, which makes me play too slow, too fast or off time!!! Funny..

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

I'm video-ing myself daily in a feeble attempt to get mellow enough to do a vid that won't embarrass me.


When I dicide that I AM going to record, then I just play and cross my fingers in hopes that the Hangout members will be understanding..!!

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:07:20 PM
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
quote:
Originally posted by Johnbow

No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.

It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.


It is interesting.. I'm fine if I play in front of 75 dancers.. not a bit of nervousness.. Except when comes to a waltz (my weakness).. then I think that Everyone is going to judge me, which makes me play too slow, too fast or off time!!! Funny..


Strange how the mind works.  I've not played the violin in front of an audience.  Other instruments yes.

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:16:49 PM
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4847 posts since 9/26/2008

I would say to you what I say to everyone who talks about recording issues: record yourself every time you I play, eventually it will be old hat. You don't even have to listen every time, though you should occasionally, just go through the motions of recording. Like everything else, a little practice goes a long way. You 'practice' recording yourself until it is no big deal.

Waltzes used to be my nervous part of playing for dances too.

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:21:23 PM
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Oddly, I have little trouble playing for audiences or in jam situations, no matter how small & exposed those jams might be. Sure, if I'm obliged to play in a style or a key that I don't have much experience with, I am a hair bit cautious. Vids, though, seem to put me under the gun.

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:36:55 PM
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Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

Oddly, I have little trouble playing for audiences or in jam situations, no matter how small & exposed those jams might be. Sure, if I'm obliged to play in a style or a key that I don't have much experience with, I am a hair bit cautious. Vids, though, seem to put me under the gun.


Yeah, you don't want your good looks to bring a lot of groupies..!!!  Our good looks can be a curse.wink

I never look more bald than I do in a video..

Aug 5, 2020 - 2:55:17 PM

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

I would say to you what I say to everyone who talks about recording issues: record yourself every time you I play, eventually it will be old hat. You don't even have to listen every time, though you should occasionally, just go through the motions of recording. Like everything else, a little practice goes a long way. You 'practice' recording yourself until it is no big deal.

Waltzes used to be my nervous part of playing for dances too.


Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..

Aug 5, 2020 - 3:08:02 PM
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
 

Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..


You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.

Aug 5, 2020 - 3:11:52 PM

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Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
 

Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..


You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.


Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!

Aug 5, 2020 - 3:17:26 PM
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Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!

 

 

Don't worry about being the best. Matter of fact, you don't even have to listen to yourself at first. :)

Aug 5, 2020 - 3:35:31 PM

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Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel

Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!

 

 

Don't worry about being the best. Matter of fact, you don't even have to listen to yourself at first. :)


I only listen to myself AFTER I've posted here on "sound off".. then I cringe.. when I don't get 'likes'... I DO tend to only post tunes that I'm working on and not the ones that are 'in my bones', so naturally, I'm sticking my neck out.. but I get excited about learning new tunes.. and sometimes post before I "own" them..I have come to the conclusion that I'm my worse critic..and that if I don't sound my best.. well, I'm posting and others may not be.. It is always a scary  leap forward to put it out there for others to hear. One must get past one's own ego..!!!  and that is hard to do..

Talk is cheap.. the proof is in the 'pudding'...!! The problem comes when the pudding doesn't taste good!!!  When I listen to some of  our Member's recordings, I'm Stunned by their skill.. and humbled..But, I refuse to succumb to my fears.. .........so.. I'll occasionally post.. I am what I am..( didn't Popeye say that?)

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/05/2020 15:48:53

Aug 5, 2020 - 4:10:30 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Johnbow

Geez! I seem to be all over this board. Sorry about that folks. All this staying at home has me a little restless.


Post away.   The Fiddle Hangout can always use some posts (when compared to the Banjo Hangout).   As a newbie, I'll read anything that has to do with the fiddlesmiley

Aug 5, 2020 - 4:40:08 PM
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Just can't beat Billy's advice: Rehearse. Sounds over simple, but it's so true. Only rehearse what you want to get good at. smiley

 

How do i play when i hit record? I play how i play. Usually the 1st take is the one. I just think/act like i don't give two fecese. Truth, nobody watches my stuff anyway. The view counter doesn't lie. 

Edited by - farmerjones on 08/05/2020 16:48:04

Aug 5, 2020 - 4:53:34 PM

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Originally posted by farmerjones

Just can't beat Billy's advice: Rehearse. Sounds over simple, but it's so true. Only rehearse what you want to get good at. smiley

 

How do i play when i hit record? I play how i play. Usually the 1st take is the one. I just think/act like i don't give two fecese. Truth, nobody watches my stuff anyway. The view counter doesn't lie. 


Yes.  No "likes'' is not the same as  a "NOT like".. gotta remember that.

Aug 5, 2020 - 5:47:28 PM
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I think Mark has some good suggestions there, Lee wink

Use your phone, hit the button, play for a while, relax as you forget you are recording, suddenly remember you are recording and shut it off. Then, if you want to listen, skip forward and listen after you'd forgotten. Or just delete it when you're done. The comment about it being a PAIN and how you'd rather have red light fever says a lot about a mindset that is getting in your way. Let that marinate, my friend, you'll see what I'm getting at. angel 

We are all our own worst critic, so listening can be rough. I personally use it when I'm working on a new tune, to hear what's happening, if I'm missing something, tempo issues or whatnot. I am lately hearing what not playing has done for my playing! laugh

Edited by - ChickenMan on 08/05/2020 17:47:41

Aug 5, 2020 - 6:09:12 PM
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Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
 

Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..


You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.


I wish it were that easy.  Phones are slippery and slim.  How do you prop it up so that it actually puts you & your fiddle in the frame?  Do you put it on the kitchen table and lean it against a beer glass?   Sure, you can actually hold the camera, but then you gotta play one-handed.  Your significant other, meantime, can be a little peeved when you kindly request they be your cinematographer.  They get more peeved when you ask for a second/third/fourth take.  I've jerry-rigged a cell phone holder that I can attach to a tripod but it ain't exactly secure or easy to level.  Worse,  pressing the record button never fails to knock the phone off-kilter.  

Luckily, though, I have a travel camera that fastens securely to my tripod.  It has better audio & video than my cell phone, anyway.  The thing is, it's not exactly a one-button process to transfer recordings to my laptop so I can post them.  The camera uses an old school SD card located in a spot that demands the camera be removed from the tripod before I can access it.  It's a several step process to get the card into your hands.  It involves enough work to make me want to do several takes so I can find the best one. 

Finally, if I'm gonna do a recording I want to see myself so I can see what the heck I look like when I play.  Our fellow Fiddle Hangout members want to see us, too.   Do I make ugly faces?  Do my eyes widen like an axe murderer's?

In other words, at least for me it demands a lot of fiddling to record myself playing the fiddle.laugh

Aug 5, 2020 - 6:39:52 PM

4847 posts since 9/26/2008

That advise was for audio. Video with the phone is indeed a pain in the arse.

Aug 5, 2020 - 6:48:55 PM
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Why do you need video? I don't usually find videos of just people playing very interesting, unless I'm trying to learn their technique, or its an "artsy" production of some kind. Seems like audio will give you a pretty good idea how you're doing.
PS - In fact, I guess I've seen videos of most of the people in this thread!

Edited by - DougD on 08/05/2020 18:50:54

Aug 5, 2020 - 7:02:50 PM
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Recording doesn't booger me, neither does playing for strangers. It's playing for people I KNOW (outside of family and bandmates).

Another vote for immersing in whatever it is that spooks you.  (Unless it's snakes, or something)

This fellow has a pretty good blog on performing under pressure issues. Interesting columns every week.
 

https://bulletproofmusician.com/

Aug 5, 2020 - 7:48:32 PM
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Why video? Just because youtube has a slick/quick and easily shareable platform. It's actually harder for me to get the right audio format, and convert it, blah, blah, blah. With vid. I just whip out the phone and there you go. I used to produce a slide show over my audio. Nope. Too much work. I ain't pretty, and do not care.

Aug 5, 2020 - 7:50:45 PM
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I never could stand photos of myself or especially videos of myself. Omg...I am so scared when I try to make a video...and it seems it's getting worse all the time...I just about can't think, can't talk, can't function...I try once in a while just to try to get used to it, but it gets worse instead of better.

As far as audio recording...I've gotten into a real habit of multi-track recording, to the point that since I'm pretty much a hermit, even before covid came along, that it's my only way out to the world. Do I get red light fever? Yes, every doggone time. But I have developed a process, or procedure you could say, with my own little rules and regulations and order of which things are done in what order, etc., to the point that it actually does calm my nerves to follow some sort of standard to go by.

When I first go downstairs to where my machine is, I get the shakes...get nervous, and start out trying too hard...just not relaxed and not into the spirit of the tune or song I'm doing. So I drink a little coffee, tell myself to calm down and hone in on the spirit of the tune and nothing else...after a few false starts, I usually start to get into it. But, you'd think after these past three or four years of nothing but multi track after multi track and putting them up on youtube, I'd be getting used to it. NOPE. It scares me and gives me bad jitters. But the procedure I follow, that I made up gradually, plus coffee and a lot of self talk...calm down and find that spirit of the tune that makes you wanna play it...quit trying too hard to be good, and try instead to find whatever it is in that tune that compels you to play it...take a deep breath and try it again...that's all I can do.

I used to do better in front of an audience...normally I played by myself...just singing and guitar...I had my bag of jokes and interaction with the audience to where if I could keep them kinda laughing and entertained then I felt fine playing for them. But then decades went by with no place to play...not much anyway, a little here and there, and I started getting audience jitters too. by the time I was in a little amateur BG band my nerves were a mess...I did like playing for the audience more than i feared playing for them, fortunately, but I was never as calm and light-hearted about the fun of it like I used to be in the old days with just my guitar and singing. The last time I played on stage I was shaking so bad I could hardly play...lol...played Windy & Warm on guitar and there was a guy who used to be in that band with me playing bass with me. Whew...that was hard on my nerves. Windy and Warm is jsut hard on stage for me anyway...can't ever feel like I've got the right volume to be able to pick as lightly as I need to on that...so I end up plucking the daylights out of the strings, which is clumsy and fatigues your fingers by the time you get to the end...then there's that spirit of the tune thing that goes right down the drain when you feel more like you're plucking a chicken than playing a tune...lol. I made it through...but it was tough. I really didn't enjoy that.

So anyway...yes, red light fever...it's a real thing. I guess one's love of music needs to be at a higher level than one's fear of doing it...lol. Pretty crazy, ain't it?

Oh I went and found the youtubes for proof...lol...here's my playing of Windy and Warm with a managed case of red light fever in the privacy and comfort of my presonus room with a lot of coffee and isolation...  https://youtu.be/Jsda1Vps-EQ

By contrast, here I am playing it on stage...can't remember when...maybe three years ago or so...some kinda fund raiser concert somehow I got involved in...Mike started recording it with his cell phone and then his battery died, so he grabbed mine to finish...this is the second part of it after he started using my phone...the first part is somewhere on my channel but it's short...anyhow...by the time he got the second phone recording, my fingers were already worn out from strenuous plucking the daylights out of the strings...you can watch me fatigue and struggle as I go along and besides the fatigue and struggle because I can't ever hear the guitar right and fight with it, I was nauseous and sweaty and shaky and just self conscious and not comfortable at all...you can watch me gradually falling apart and barely hanging it together.  Plus this guy playing the bass, who played in the BG band I was in...he'd played it with me in the band a few timews, but it had been years, and I was afraid we wouldn't be on the same page with all the parts...lol...so...wasn't fun... https://youtu.be/IdHYZAILDR4

I think I'll stick with presonus...lol.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 08/05/2020 20:10:54

Aug 6, 2020 - 7:57:18 AM
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Fiddler

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Recording doesn't bother me - too much. I, too, get red light fever.

However, what DOES disturb me is the way that audio capturing devices alters my playing from the virtuosic fiddler that I know that I am to the unbearable, struggling novice.

Geesshhh!

You would think that current technology would give more accurate reproduction of sound!!!

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