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Jul 10, 2020 - 5:14:18 AM
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Well I just deleted all of my mp3s off of FHO. They were mostly kind of old, or old as far as my recording experience with my homespun attempt on my Presonus machine. Poking around on my youtube, where I've kept things more up to date, I realized that my older stuff was so terrible...lol...my inexperience in recording stuff was just so obvious, not that I know the bells and whistles and how to do it today, but I have picked up a little bit of figuring out my own way of handling problems...like when the fiddle drowns out the voice or when something just goes wacky...a little bit of accumulated trial and error experience with fixing that kinda stuff.

But the biggest thing is the timing. Oh my gosh, in the earlier stuff, I was so chained to the metronome it made everything sound like I was playing in a marching band. I always use the metronome because if you don't, you end up speeding up as you go along...on a multi-track recording, that can turn into a disaster for the coherence of the tracks. Since, I've learned to put my robot hat on, force myself to slam out that scratch track along with vocal coaching for which parts should go where...often I have to do that scratch track 5 or 6 times just to be able to march long like a robot with that awful metronome and still keep the idea of where I am in the song and give myself vocal cues as to what should be going on when. After i get two or three real tracks on, I can delete that horrible scratch track. Often, these days, I even end up deleting the first two or three tracks I played while relying on the scratch track...that awful feeling of marking time is still there and I gotta go through those again and loosen 'em up, without getting off time. Once I get it going like that...the rest of the tracks go easy for me now.

So I also feel that I'm better with figuring out mic placement for this and that...also i guess a good thing, my expenisve Takamine guitar blew out on me. I was pretty upset at first, but hooking it straight into the Presonus really gave it a weird and eery sound...unnatural sound...so I've had to just play a guitar into the mic. I've learned, slowly, that some guitars play at different registers differently...so, I use one guitar for stuff in C or lower, and a different guitar for stuff in D or those kinds of things. I often double up on gutiar, using the different guitars for different chord shapes on the same recording.

I've also learned to hear my vocal harmonies better...there's some distortion of intonation through my headphones...maybe because my outfit is on the cheaper side, I don't know...but I've learned to hear it differently so I can (sometimes) harmonize a little better while singing.

Then of course, my fiddle playing might have improved some since I started doing these recordings. I have no time for practice, attend no jams and have no place or nobody to ever play with...lots of unending work to do from here to surrounding states...just lots of hard work we got into doing and can never seem to get out of doing...and a growing grandson I love to spend a lot of time with, plus the dogs and the gardens and constant cooking and dishwashing...lol...so the only time I play IS on the recordings...yet, still, seems I do that enough that I feel like my fiddling has gotten a little more experience to it...since I've only been fiddling for just over one decade...almost 12 years now...I need all the experience I can get. Recording does allow you to hear your mistakes better...including the good mistakes...the things where you listen and you think..."How'd I do that?" Then figure it out ... learn a lot that way.

So...I'm thinking the old youtubes have gotta go. Plus, I believe I've played just about everything I know to play...so...yep...I'm thinking just go through and do them all over again...maybe not the newer ones so much but those earlier ones. Start all over...do it in the same key or maybe a different key...tune however i feel like and do it however i feel like. Sounds like a fun project to me...will I do it????? LOL...I hope...that's what I wanna do anyway, if I can get my nose to the grindstone and stick with it.

Just thinking aloud here.  Not trying to bore everybody to death, but multi track recording has become my life...so...there must be someone else who feels the same way.  It's the age we live in, I guess.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 07/10/2020 05:21:31

Jul 10, 2020 - 6:36:03 AM
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The amateur archivist in me likes the idea of keeping a full set of recordings (privately, of course) to document the progression. :)

It’s been about twelve years for me, as well. I’ve just started going back through my tunes to write them out, envisioning a set of books (in a creative style that makes them mine) that will jog my memory and provide much enjoyment in the years to come.

Edited by - Cyndy on 07/10/2020 06:36:46

Jul 10, 2020 - 11:23:42 AM

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Great idea. Mike told me the same thing...keep the old ones. Some day the new ones will be the old ones too...lol.

Jul 11, 2020 - 7:31:50 AM

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...or...today, just feel like deleting the whole youtube channel and going back to solitary porch playing when the neighbors aren't out there drunk and shooting their guns...lol. The youtubes are just really bad.

Jul 13, 2020 - 7:07:38 AM
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RichJ

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I’ve been listening to and often playing along with Groundhogpeggy recordings for a couple of years now. A few months back I bought an Audiobox and started making recordings of my own. Even went so far as to upload a few to Sound Off (what was I thinking?). I’m intrigued by the idea one can improve musically by playing into a multitrack recording device though I wonder if the opinion of most FHO members would take the more traditional view – i.e. one improves on a musical instrument by playing in the presence of other people.  Having been at this fiddle thing now for 8 years my view on what it takes to improve has changed. I took lessons from a couple of people in the beginning. The classical violin instructor was mostly a waste of time. Also attended weekly jam session for many years where most of the people were encouraged to use sheet music. Looking back on this now I think these were mostly social events that did nothing to improve my playing. For sure it was not conducive to improving my intonation,  if anything more likely to make me sloppy in that regard since it was hard to hear what I was playing in a group often dominated by one or two loud players. None of this “traditional” learning allowed me to hear how I really sounded. So, I guess this is a roundabout way of commending you for all those previous recordings and musical contributions. Most of us have enjoyed what you did and may even be sorry to hear you deleted some of that old stuff. I know I’ll be looking forward to hearing the upgrades while fooling around with my Audiobox in the hope of seeing some of the improvements so apparent in your playing.

Edited by - RichJ on 07/13/2020 07:10:08

Jul 13, 2020 - 8:59:32 AM
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Recording is an art in itself

Jul 13, 2020 - 10:40:49 AM
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Rich, it really makes me happy to hear that you've gotten something musical from my attempts at putting up youtubes. This makes me feel like there's some connection with others, sort of a mutual jamming party online I guess, through my own recordings, and now you're recordings too.

I guess I think anyone who loves music really needs to be playing more than listening...and maybe it's just that in our day and age getting it online somehow is the way it's gonna work out the best for so many of us. I'm always happy to hear someone has taken anything I've done as inspiration to actually work at fulfilling their own musical happiness.

Thanks for saying it, and I look forward to more of your recordings.

Shawn, there does seem to be a lot to learn for recordings...I'm gradually seeing as I look back through my own...lol...embarrassingly. But for those of us who don't have jams that we actually enjoy and improve our playing through, or have anywhere much to just get our music out and share it with others...I guess recording might just be the new jam. Especially since now it's affordable enough and easy enough for most people to get into. Another great thing is you can put them on CD (except I can't seem to do it without a huge hassle) or thumb drive or just keep them on the computer, and think of it as something to leave behind that your loved ones might find comforting after you're gone. Although I ain't in any hurry to go...lol.

Lucky us, hey? I'd still rather be back down in the mountains, kids and dogs running around, burgers on the fire...half of the crowd chatting, the other half playing...playing way into the night, long after the kids and dogs all settled down and fell asleep together...just having a good time...nobody racing to the fire or trying to outplay anybody else or anything. Well, my home recording studio is second best to that...lol. Those groundhogs in there sure can be tough to deal with when they all start hogging up the coffee, though...lol.

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