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Jul 2, 2020 - 1:13:04 PM
10 posts since 5/16/2020

Hi all,

Does anyone know how to set-up a soundpost using a string wrapped around the soundpost? It was an older method.

I've seen soundposts with the string around it, and am curious to know exactly how it was set using that string and not using a soundpost setter.

Thanks,
Johnny

Edited by - Johnny_Mariachi on 07/02/2020 13:14:01

Jul 2, 2020 - 3:34:30 PM
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960 posts since 6/26/2007

Yes, I know how. It works better with two strings but is still a pretty crude way to do something that needs to be done precisely.

Jul 2, 2020 - 4:33:23 PM

10 posts since 5/16/2020

How is it done exactly?
Do you tie a string to top of sound post and dangle it and then use a second string to lasso the bottom into place?
Jul 2, 2020 - 7:53:04 PM

169 posts since 3/1/2020

I don’t recommend it. Posts set that way are usually extremely crude and ill-fitting. If the fit and tension are off by even a little the instrument won’t work properly.

Jul 3, 2020 - 2:09:06 AM

kjb

USA

710 posts since 6/8/2013

you can make a sound post setter with a coat hanger , but reasonable ones are pretty cheap anyway. and there are lots of videos on the subject . The method of putting it in place is tricky but more tricky is getting it the right height and fitting flat on the top and the bottom , its easy to spend an hour on it or more when starting out. good luck

Jul 3, 2020 - 3:46:07 AM
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DougD

USA

9675 posts since 12/2/2007

Can no one actually answer Johnny's question and explain how it was done instead of just telling how crude it was and suggesting other methods? I guess not.

Jul 3, 2020 - 5:20:34 AM
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481 posts since 9/1/2010

Here is an old discussion about using this method from the forum. I hope it helps.

 

https://www.fiddlehangout.com/archive/8423

Jul 3, 2020 - 3:19:04 PM

960 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Can no one actually answer Johnny's question and explain how it was done instead of just telling how crude it was and suggesting other methods? I guess not.


I probably could, but I feel it is self-explanatory and not worth wasting my time on. I did it once or twice 35 years ago without instruction, when I didn't know enough to do it better.

 
Jul 3, 2020 - 4:30:09 PM

169 posts since 3/1/2020

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Can no one actually answer Johnny's question and explain how it was done instead of just telling how crude it was and suggesting other methods? I guess not.


The reason no one is explaining how to do it is that it is a recipe for disaster. There's no point in giving out information that could cause serious harm to instruments. 

Jul 3, 2020 - 6:15:23 PM
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DougD

USA

9675 posts since 12/2/2007

The original question was "I've seen soundposts with the string around it, and am curious to know exactly how it was set using that string and not using a soundpost setter."
He didn't say he wanted to use it, he was just curious. Seems like people could have been courteous enough to answer his question.

Jul 4, 2020 - 8:55:04 AM

169 posts since 3/1/2020

I don’t think anyone is being discourteous—on the contrary, the above comments have been intended to avoid major damage. Keep in mind that a sound post crack generally devalues an instrument by at least 75%.

Jul 5, 2020 - 12:40:34 PM
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1 posts since 7/5/2020

My Dad was a fiddler in Western OK from ~1910 -1946. He had string wrapped around soundpost so he would not lose it if he was re-srtinging or doing some repair on the fiddle . As a small child, I would watch him use the string to pull it back up if it fell during repair. He used a bent ice pick to tap it back into place. The string was only used to keep from losing it!

One crack on the top he had to fix was after he hit a drunk over the head during a dance! (during the Dust Bowl house dances during the 1930's)

Thanx,
Jim

Jul 5, 2020 - 2:01:48 PM
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1742 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by The Violin Beautiful

I don’t think anyone is being discourteous—on the contrary, the above comments have been intended to avoid major damage. Keep in mind that a sound post crack generally devalues an instrument by at least 75%.


With all respect, sharing techniques and information doesn't make anyone responsible for actually harming another's instrument. Setting posts with string is probably not the best idea, but old timers have done it and discussing it is harmless. The elites don't decide what the rabble get to hear on this forum.

Jul 6, 2020 - 11:51:24 AM

28 posts since 3/29/2020

It's just that it's pretty self explanatory, isn't it? There's no mystery. It's like, you wedge it into position by manipulating the strings through the f holes. I came up with it all on my own when I was 13 and didn't know any better, and YouTube was a far distant dream.

As a cya, or in this case a cma, don't anyone come crying to the forum if you go do this on your own and put a big crack in your instrument. Now you'll have to get a guy who does know what he's doing, like The Violin Beautiful, to do a soundpost crack repair. Look that up sometime, it is an amazing technique and workmanship.

Bracing myself for the "I don't like your tone" replies now. smiley

Edited by - The Body Electric on 07/06/2020 11:52:09

Jul 6, 2020 - 12:27:45 PM

1742 posts since 8/27/2008

I've never tried it - no reason to, but I always assumed it must require a small stick or something to hold the bottom while you raise the top with string. And also to knock it down when it's not right and you have to try again. I'm imagining being on the Oregon Trail in the 1800's and I need to set my sound post for the hoedown tonight.

Jul 9, 2020 - 1:27:26 PM

65 posts since 1/19/2018

I got an old fiddle that has a sound post with a groove in it near the top and a short piece of string still attached. Never messed with it

Jul 9, 2020 - 2:00:57 PM
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boxbow

USA

2543 posts since 2/3/2011

quote:
Originally posted by The Body Electric


...Bracing myself for the "I don't like your tone" replies now. smiley


I'm winding myself up now.  Don't wait up.  It's too hot to throw a tantrum.

Jul 9, 2020 - 5:24:39 PM
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28 posts since 3/29/2020

quote:
Originally posted by boxbow
quote:
Originally posted by The Body Electric


...Bracing myself for the "I don't like your tone" replies now. smiley


I'm winding myself up now.  Don't wait up.  It's too hot to throw a tantrum.


I don't care what everyone else thinks about you, you're all right in my book. 

Jul 22, 2020 - 7:55:19 PM

10 posts since 5/16/2020

Thanks all!

I was curious of 'how' the old technique was pulled off.
The string wasn't long enough to pull out through f-hole. Was it cut-off maybe? Among other questions.

Understanding 'how' the technique was used would have helped with that, "Ah ha! That makes sense now" moment. Wasn't looking for advice of using a sound post setter, going to a luthier, etc. I do appreciate the info on drawbacks of the technique since it helps in understanding.

I have a better idea now. Appreciate the link to the other thread. Some useful information there as well.

Mystery solved!

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