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Jun 29, 2020 - 9:22:01 PM
1256 posts since 7/26/2015

Here's another topic concerning bowing. John Engle talks about bowing roots and affixes. Concerning Tommy Jarrell's fiddling, he says "There are only about a half a dozen roots." What are your thoughts on this concept?  

Jun 30, 2020 - 4:00:58 AM
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Can you elaborate? Not sure what is meant by that, though I've seen that documentary and his symbols.

Jun 30, 2020 - 4:36:13 PM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

I wish I could. I'm trying to figure out what that means, myself. He showed me a document that looked like it was made in Microsoft Word where he used commas to represent downbows and apostrophes to represent upbows, and highlighted certain stuff he thought was important.
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Originally posted by ChickenMan

Can you elaborate? Not sure what is meant by that, though I've seen that documentary and his symbols.


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 06/30/2020 16:37:44

Jul 1, 2020 - 4:14:33 AM

4653 posts since 9/26/2008

So you've met the man! What about the color scheme and the other symbols?

Jul 1, 2020 - 4:58:31 AM

10901 posts since 9/23/2009

What is a root????

Jul 1, 2020 - 6:16:50 AM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

I wasn't able to get that info at the time. I met him at the Swannanoa Gathering, but I don't know him well.
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Originally posted by ChickenMan

So you've met the man! What about the color scheme and the other symbols?


Jul 1, 2020 - 6:49:29 AM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

What is a root????


In the documentary, he talks about bowing as if it is a language, so it's probably comparable to the definition of a root in linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_(linguistics)#:~:text=The%20root%20in%20language%20is,as%20a%20free-standing%20morpheme. 

Edited by - soppinthegravy on 07/01/2020 06:50:17

Jul 1, 2020 - 7:00:58 AM

8257 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by soppinthegravy
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

What is a root????


In the documentary, he talks about bowing as if it is a language, so it's probably comparable to the definition of a root in linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_(linguistics)#:~:text=The%20root%20in%20language%20is,as%20a%20free-standing%20morpheme. 


Could that be like a guy who mostly play sawstroke as the root, and then affixes...to that with slurs, and other tags?

Jul 1, 2020 - 7:16:03 AM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

Maybe. I would guess that in "d u D u - - D u", "D u - - " is the root and "d u" is an affix (and suffix). Does that make sense? I may be wrong. Judging from his highlighting method, it appears that he considers "U - D U -" a root.
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by soppinthegravy
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

What is a root????


In the documentary, he talks about bowing as if it is a language, so it's probably comparable to the definition of a root in linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_(linguistics)#:~:text=The%20root%20in%20language%20is,as%20a%20free-standing%20morpheme. 


Could that be like a guy who mostly play sawstroke as the root, and then affixes...to that with slurs, and other tags?

 


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 07/01/2020 07:33:13

Jul 1, 2020 - 10:57:52 AM
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Oh my gosh...sounds even more complicated than other ways people have attempted to parse it out!

I don't know...I mean if your goal is to thoroughly analyze someone's fiddling, like Tommy Jarrell...I mean...that's your only choice...but...how did Tommy learn it? I'm thinking it was just natural for him and he wouldn't have been able to analyze or parse it or explain it to anybody. Still, if your goal is to recreate the fiddling of Tommy Jarrell...I guess that's the kinda stuff you have to look into. I think a lot of people have tried and possibly done pretty well with it...big job...lol...ugh...wears me out thinking about the work and confusion involved.  Good luck with it all.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 07/01/2020 10:59:48

Jul 1, 2020 - 1:58:01 PM
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Oh my gosh...sounds even more complicated than other ways people have attempted to parse it out!

I don't know...I mean if your goal is to thoroughly analyze someone's fiddling, like Tommy Jarrell...I mean...that's your only choice...but...how did Tommy learn it? I'm thinking it was just natural for him and he wouldn't have been able to analyze or parse it or explain it to anybody. Still, if your goal is to recreate the fiddling of Tommy Jarrell...I guess that's the kinda stuff you have to look into. I think a lot of people have tried and possibly done pretty well with it...big job...lol...ugh...wears me out thinking about the work and confusion involved.  Good luck with it all.


Today I was fiddlin' and these posts came to mind.. SO.. I took the tunes I'd been playing and tried to put in extra pulses, notes, trills, and 'shuffles'..Guess what.. It was fun.. and I then thought.."what If this was how I always played?"...  We all have more ability than we think, and sometimes we (me) get stuck into playing this way or that way instead of  OUR way...So.. The good part of this is that I see I can play some crazy ways.. the bad part is ...it won't work in a jam session..

Jul 1, 2020 - 3:51:45 PM
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Guys, pause the documentary at 5:28. The transcription of "Arkansas Traveler" says at the bottom, "Roots in order of appearance: ^212, v112, ^113". Here's my interpretation of that notation:

Roots in order of appearance:

  1. U - DU - 
  2. DU D - 
  3. UD U - -

Edited by - soppinthegravy on 07/01/2020 15:56:17

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