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May 25, 2020 - 10:24:01 PM
1256 posts since 7/26/2015

Trying to find the origin of this tune. Does it go by another name or is there a similar melody it may have come from? youtube.com/watch?v=sZsptdntBgQ

May 27, 2020 - 5:30:53 AM

RobBob

USA

2679 posts since 6/26/2007

You might try asking Jim Wood he has a presence on the internet. I'm sure it is probably a middle Tennessee fiddle tune. Big Howdy and Paul Warren knew and played a lot of those tunes.

May 28, 2020 - 2:57:21 PM

4653 posts since 9/26/2008

Sounds like it was a song.
Is Jim playing the banjo there? Sounds too much like Hartford on the fiddle not to be.

May 28, 2020 - 3:10:22 PM
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RobBob

USA

2679 posts since 6/26/2007

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

Sounds like it was a song.
Is Jim playing the banjo there? Sounds too much like Hartford on the fiddle not to be.


It's Hartford on the banjo. He made this recording, one with Texas Shorty and home recordings with Howdy Forester where he played banjo. I think he also played banjo on a Rounder recording with Gene Goforth.

May 28, 2020 - 9:02:08 PM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

Hartford was also on Charlie Acuff's "Left-Handed Fiddler" album.
quote:
Originally posted by RobBob
 

It's Hartford on the banjo. He made this recording, one with Texas Shorty and home recordings with Howdy Forester where he played banjo. I think he also played banjo on a Rounder recording with Gene Goforth.


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 05/28/2020 21:03:32

May 28, 2020 - 9:31:33 PM
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DougD

USA

9609 posts since 12/2/2007

It sounds slightly "raggy" and the idea of the "bully" comes from that era, but I can't find it in any sheet music collections I know of, or discographies of early recordings, cylinder or disc.

May 29, 2020 - 7:28:32 AM

4653 posts since 9/26/2008

Weird. I did think at first that it could have been Hartford on the banjo, but the fiddling.... I think much of what I'm hearing is what I would call bluegrass fiddling - big slurs, the harmony note choices and wide, bluesy slides while leaning on the banjo for the rhythmic drive really give it that feel to my ears.

May 29, 2020 - 10:51:09 AM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

It turns out that there are several articles on Newspapers.com mentioning a "coon song" or "comic song" called "There's a Bully Gone to Rest" made popular by George Primrose and published in 1897 as a "sequel" to May Irwin's "New Bully". I can't find sheet music under either title, but I have found various versions of "Bully Song" which was one of her hits as a singer composed by Charles E. Trevathan.
quote:
Originally posted by DougD

It sounds slightly "raggy" and the idea of the "bully" comes from that era, but I can't find it in any sheet music collections I know of, or discographies of early recordings, cylinder or disc.


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 05/29/2020 11:07:28

May 29, 2020 - 12:14:47 PM

1378 posts since 4/6/2014

Is it the same in the U.S. as the U.K. That a "Bully" was (in the 18th/19th century), a man that "looked after" or "Colluded with"  a  "lady of the night" to extract money from "Punters" Typically sailors in port, or strangers out on the town ?

Edited by - pete_fiddle on 05/29/2020 12:15:12

May 29, 2020 - 12:15:05 PM

DougD

USA

9609 posts since 12/2/2007

I don't find anything under that title either. George Primrose was well known, but mostly as a dancer. The May Irwin "Bully" song is what we now know as "Bully of the Town." You may have found the newspaper insert version that has a fine color illustration of an absolutely up to the minute "Bully" with all his regalia.
As far as the track you posted, it sounds like good old time Middle Tennessee country fiddling to me. John's tone on the banjo is pretty distinctive.

May 29, 2020 - 12:49:10 PM
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1256 posts since 7/26/2015

I stumbled upon the "There's a Bully Gone to Rest" sheet music. The A section of the bears a striking resemblance to the chorus here, although the melody for the verses is quite different, reminding me of Kenny Baker's "Denver Belle". https://www.newspapers.com/clip/52394753/theres-a-bully-gone-to-rest-sheet/
quote:
Originally posted by DougD

I don't find anything under that title either. George Primrose was well known, but mostly as a dancer. The May Irwin "Bully" song is what we now know as "Bully of the Town." You may have found the newspaper insert version that has a fine color illustration of an absolutely up to the minute "Bully" with all his regalia.
As far as the track you posted, it sounds like good old time Middle Tennessee country fiddling to me. John's tone on the banjo is pretty distinctive.


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 05/29/2020 12:53:45

May 30, 2020 - 2:07:25 PM

1256 posts since 7/26/2015

While it's on my mind, the verse melody also sounds similar to the chorus of "Oklahoma Hills" and the first part of "Snow Deer". 

Edited by - soppinthegravy on 05/30/2020 14:16:38

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