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Master of crooked tunes. Joe Dawson.. Listen to these

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Nov 10, 2019 - 1:52:12 PM
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7715 posts since 3/19/2009

Here are a bunch of Joe Dawson tunes.. He lived here in Bloomington Indiana and was a master of crooked tunes.. Listen:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19n3BOg-jPCeNLF-UQ6Je0McJ4HgmExWN?fbclid=IwAR1K6sBx1KYfsJpjydNrQm19mfenB1t1VeNE8n4g2GecNcVsTAHA6xAx5iQ  

Joe Dawson died several years ago and since then I've tried in vain to find audio of his tunes.. I didn't go to his home for the weekly jams where he played...FINALLY, a friend sent me this link.. Believe you, me, this is a treasure.. You can't just Google Joe and hear this stuff.... Hope you enjoy his tune versions..Listen closely.

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 11/10/2019 13:57:34

Nov 11, 2019 - 4:06:45 PM
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445 posts since 9/1/2010

Thanks for sharing, Lee. Always cool to listen to a "new to me" fiddler. I was able to sample a few of the tunes here at work, but plan on digging in a bit more tomorrow at home.

Nov 12, 2019 - 1:14:31 AM
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123 posts since 6/23/2007

Awesome Lee, thanks... I downloaded the ones that caught my Ear...Huh Ha !!
Maybe i can learn 1 or 2.
See u @ Clifftop

Nov 12, 2019 - 1:42:28 AM
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209 posts since 6/25/2007

Thanks, Lee, I'll have to check these out! My wife and I visited and played with Joe Dawson on two occasions some years ago in the company of Frank Hall. Somewhere I've got tapes of those visits, and on the second visit, Joe fired up his own tape recorder to keep a memento of the visit himself. I think he liked that we were pretty good at following his crooked tunes. Unfortunately, I haven't yet gotten around to digitizing those cassettes, or very many of the other ~400 tapes on my wall. But I hope to get some of them done before I'm dead (which I hope won't be any time soon). Guess I'd better get on it soon, though.

Edited by - Brendan Doyle on 11/12/2019 01:46:20

Nov 12, 2019 - 5:45:51 AM

7715 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by Brendan Doyle

Thanks, Lee, I'll have to check these out! My wife and I visited and played with Joe Dawson on two occasions some years ago in the company of Frank Hall. Somewhere I've got tapes of those visits, and on the second visit, Joe fired up his own tape recorder to keep a memento of the visit himself. I think he liked that we were pretty good at following his crooked tunes. Unfortunately, I haven't yet gotten around to digitizing those cassettes, or very many of the other ~400 tapes on my wall. But I hope to get some of them done before I'm dead (which I hope won't be any time soon). Guess I'd better get on it soon, though.


Brendan, I encourage you to at least try to digitize the Joe Dawson music.  An internet search of Joe's music will show virtually NOTHING..  Recording of him are in the Indiana University archives, but not many OT musicians are going to lining up to go there to hear Joe...I'd hate for these crooked versions to go unnoticed..  Thanks in advance!!! 

Nov 12, 2019 - 12:15:02 PM

31 posts since 10/24/2019

Forgive me for this question as I'm fairly new to some of the nomenclature here. But, what is a "crooked" tune?

Thanks y'all.

Nov 12, 2019 - 1:11:38 PM
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7715 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by Bluetick

Forgive me for this question as I'm fairly new to some of the nomenclature here. But, what is a "crooked" tune?

Thanks y'all.


Most OT tunes are called 'square' in that the A part and the B part have the same number of measures.. A "crooked '' tune is one that has  added or deleted measures in either or both parts..

Nov 12, 2019 - 1:13:35 PM

31 posts since 10/24/2019

Thanks, Lee.

Nov 12, 2019 - 1:18:18 PM

7715 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by Bluetick

Thanks, Lee.


Ken, Listen to Jenny Get Around.. use your fingers to count groups of four beats.. You'll find that the parts add or drop beats..https://www.slippery-hill.com/recording/jenny-get-around-0

Nov 12, 2019 - 3:13:36 PM
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DougD

USA

9301 posts since 12/2/2007

Ken - Most fiddle tunes are very simple in their structure. There is a first section, eight measures long, sometimes with some "pickup" notes. This is the "A" part, and it ususlly repeats. Then there is a second strain, also eight measures long, called the "B" part. It also usually repeats, resulting in a 32 bar tune described as AABB.
However, some tunes do not follow this pattern. They either have some measures with a different number of beats than the usual 4 (or 2, depending on how you're counting), like 5/4 or 6/4, or they have sections with more (or less) than the usual eight measures, and they often don't repeat the sections. These are referred to as "crooked" tunes and are often quite interesting and beautiful.

Nov 13, 2019 - 10:28:18 AM
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DougD

USA

9301 posts since 12/2/2007

I should add that the "crookedness" of a tune can come from the preferences of the player, rather than anything inherent in the tune itself. "Jenny Get Around" is a good example. I first heard this tune played by Marion Sumner and Lee Sexton: youtu.be/lIIgvhxcVgQ You can hear that its perfectly regular (and that Jenny was a close cousin of Liza Jane). In Mr. Salyer's version the same phrases are there, but the spaces between them are not.
There are two quite different "crooked" versions of "Camp Chase" on the Slippery Hill site that you might enjoy.

Nov 13, 2019 - 5:34:07 PM

4313 posts since 9/26/2008

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

I should add that the "crookedness" of a tune can come from the preferences of the player, rather than anything inherent in the tune itself. 


This is particularly true with some Canadian fiddlers who “crooked up” tunes as a point of pride.

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