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Sep 19, 2019 - 9:49:56 AM
428 posts since 6/22/2016

I'm not trying to make trouble - honest! It just occurred to me that while in Canada, the vast preponderance of notable fiddlers are disproportionately of Roman Catholic background (of French, Scottish, Irish and/or Native ancestry) - I didn't say all of them! - in the States, it may be just the opposite - I would imagine that the preponderance of those notable Appalachian/Southern fiddlers, both Black and White, are/were of Protestant background, as a a prominent example.

Any observations?

Sep 19, 2019 - 11:13:27 AM

2 posts since 10/4/2018

Old Original Baptist. Didn't take though!

Sep 19, 2019 - 11:32:13 AM

DougD

USA

9233 posts since 12/2/2007

I always thought all Scots were Presbyterians, but I just looked and in Scotland there are about twice as many Protestants as Catholics. However in Cape Breton the ratio is reversed - I wonder if that's because of the Irish and Acadians in the population?
Down here there are relatively few Catholics, and lots of what I guess are "evangelical" denominations - Methodists and various Baptist churches. Some of them frown on instrumental music though.

Sep 19, 2019 - 12:55:02 PM
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DougD

USA

9233 posts since 12/2/2007

Well I did a little research, and sure enough, a lot of the best Cape Breton fiddlers were/are Catholic. Some are even Irish! And French, which I knew.
Live and learn - and then start forgetting.

Sep 19, 2019 - 1:25:51 PM

Dragonslayer

Mozambique

102 posts since 9/1/2019

I bet there's few church of Christ fiddlers.... (at least that'd admit it wink)

Edited by - Dragonslayer on 09/19/2019 13:26:34

Sep 19, 2019 - 1:28:01 PM

Old Scratch

Canada

428 posts since 6/22/2016

Virtually all of the best Cape Breton fiddlers - the ones who are known - are/were Catholic. There have been, presumably, plenty of Protestant fiddlers, but none whose names would be recognized by anyone beyond the hardest of hardcore aficionados.

Sep 19, 2019 - 1:30:08 PM
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140 posts since 1/3/2019

There aren't lot of Catholics in the Appalachians, but my great grandfather and his twin were both fiddlers and Catholic. Then they became protestant.

Sep 20, 2019 - 5:58:28 AM

81 posts since 3/19/2012

There's all kinds of religious sects/beliefs out there. I grew up Presbyterian, then spent years as a Quaker, now I'm a born-again Neo-Pagan. The Christian mainstream church has had many stories of priests and ministers who hated music and dancing, to the point where they would round up fiddles and burn them. I'd think long and hard about any church that wanted me to give up fiddling.

Sep 20, 2019 - 10:35:53 AM
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8 posts since 2/2/2018

Cape Breton in general is heavily Catholic. It was settled by highland Scots after the clearances, and they were overwhelmingly Catholic. I don't think there's been a tremendous amount of coming and going since then. Amazing number of fiddlers there per capita.

Sep 20, 2019 - 11:55:12 AM

1170 posts since 10/13/2010

Don't really know. For the record, Reformed Christian. (RCUS) My guess is if a region has a history of Catholic immigrants in its past it will have more Catholic fiddlers. So it doesn't surprise me that parts of Canada with French background and Irish immigration would have alot of Catholic fiddlers.

Parts of the US with heavy Presbyterian Scots immigration would probably have alot of Protestant fiddlers.

Regarding some ministers or priests burning fiddles, I think they were misguided.

"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth [or ear in this case] does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”"

"...Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands [or listening/playing/dancing to fiddle music] does not defile them.”" - Matthew 15

Edited by - martynspeck on 09/20/2019 11:55:52

Sep 20, 2019 - 11:59:44 AM
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DougD

USA

9233 posts since 12/2/2007

Kind of puts me in mind of the old saying: "In the winter I'm a Buddhist, in the summer I'm a nudist."

Edited by - DougD on 09/20/2019 12:02:01

Sep 20, 2019 - 12:19:28 PM

Old Scratch

Canada

428 posts since 6/22/2016

I'm just curious about what people have actually noticed or observed in their own neck of the woods.

Sep 20, 2019 - 12:46:17 PM

Fiddler

USA

3964 posts since 6/22/2007

Most fiddlers that I knew in central TX were pretty much non-religious. They had to be. The fiddle was the Devil's Instrument and no God-fearing, respectable person would get near to one, much less play one.

However, those who dared to drag horse hair across cat guts confined their melodies to hymns and saintly tunes so as to not raise the specter of being a purveyor of evil.

If you should happen to play a tune or two that got toes to tappin', just play "That Old Rugged Cross" or "In the Garden" and you were thusly cleansed into Salvation.

Sep 20, 2019 - 1:19:14 PM
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Dragonslayer

Mozambique

102 posts since 9/1/2019

Well, the one fiddler I know around here is a mennonite (not quite, but close enough.) But the only musicians I know are other missionaries.
Fiddler, I see that you're in waxahachie, which is funny to me, cuz I've heard several jokes about that town, especially cuz my great grandmother (RIP) couldn't pronounce the word. I don't have a point with that....

Sep 20, 2019 - 1:21:18 PM

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Religious background. AMISH..!!At the Farmer's Market where I busk almost weekly.. there a Lot of Amish people with little kids who Love Harry Hare.. We've watched several of those kids go from 2 to 6 years of age.. You can TELL that those kids would love to play a musical instrument and the parents seem to enjoy the music also, but lo and behold, Music to them is a form of self expression and is banned...

Sep 20, 2019 - 1:51:52 PM

Fiddler

USA

3964 posts since 6/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Dragonslayer

Well, the one fiddler I know around here is a mennonite (not quite, but close enough.) But the only musicians I know are other missionaries.
Fiddler, I see that you're in waxahachie, which is funny to me, cuz I've heard several jokes about that town, especially cuz my great grandmother (RIP) couldn't pronounce the word. I don't have a point with that....


A little topic drift....

Story goes that southbound speeder on IH 35 was doing 120 just outside of town when they blew past a State Trooper and a new cadet. The trainee looked at him with a confused look. "Aren't you going to stop him?" To which the Trooper replied as they continued southward, "Nah, I can't spell "Waxahachie", let's wait and we'll catch him in Waco."  (true story - so I've been told.)

Sep 20, 2019 - 2:23:10 PM

Dragonslayer

Mozambique

102 posts since 9/1/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Fiddler
quote:
Originally posted by Dragonslayer

Well, the one fiddler I know around here is a mennonite (not quite, but close enough.) But the only musicians I know are other missionaries.
Fiddler, I see that you're in waxahachie, which is funny to me, cuz I've heard several jokes about that town, especially cuz my great grandmother (RIP) couldn't pronounce the word. I don't have a point with that....


A little topic drift....

Story goes that southbound speeder on IH 35 was doing 120 just outside of town when they blew past a State Trooper and a new cadet. The trainee looked at him with a confused look. "Aren't you going to stop him?" To which the Trooper replied as they continued southward, "Nah, I can't spell "Waxahachie", let's wait and we'll catch him in Waco."  (true story - so I've been told.)

 


Ha! I've heard that one a few times, it's hilarious laugh

Sep 20, 2019 - 2:39:36 PM
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DougD

USA

9233 posts since 12/2/2007

A little more drift (since this is a forbidden topic anyway, you can't seek protection from the law).
Jim Watson once told me that the Red Clay Ramblers were having lunch in Nacogdoches, Texas one day. They disagreed about how to pronounce it, so asked the waitress:
"How do you pronounce the name of this place?"
She replied "Duh-airy Qween."
Don't know if that's absolutely true or not.

Edited by - DougD on 09/20/2019 14:40:34

Sep 20, 2019 - 3:12:56 PM

Fiddler

USA

3964 posts since 6/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

A little more drift (since this is a forbidden topic anyway, you can't seek protection from the law).
Jim Watson once told me that the Red Clay Ramblers were having lunch in Nacogdoches, Texas one day. They disagreed about how to pronounce it, so asked the waitress:
"How do you pronounce the name of this place?"
She replied "Duh-airy Qween."
Don't know if that's absolutely true or not.


Actually, Doug, this is a true story - I was there!

There's a small town on Hy 84 that used to have one of the two traffic circles in the state. The name is spelled Mexia and pronounced "Ma-hay-er". If anyone says "Mex-i-ah", you know they are not from the area.

Well, Mexia was half-way between my home in East Texas and Waco, where I went to school in the early 70s. I would stop there at the Dairy Queen just off of the circle each time I went through to take a break. One time when I stopped, a burly trucker pulled up and walked to the counter. He asked the lady at the counter very bruskly and in an annoyed tone -  "How do you same the name of this place?"  Without batting an eye, she said matter-of-factly and slowly so that everyone in the place could hear, "Day-ree Kweeen".  I never saw anyone laugh so hard.

Sep 20, 2019 - 3:53:59 PM
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DougD

USA

9233 posts since 12/2/2007

Kirk - Thanks for the much better phonetic pronunciation. Did you happen to see the Red Clay Ramblers hiding in the shadows?
At least it wasn't the Merchants Lunch!

Sep 20, 2019 - 4:18:16 PM

Fiddler

USA

3964 posts since 6/22/2007

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Kirk - Thanks for the much better phonetic pronunciation. Did you happen to see the Red Clay Ramblers hiding in the shadows?
At least it wasn't the Merchants Lunch!


Even though I was raised not far from Nacogdoches (in Rusk - behind the Pine Curtain), the RCR were not on my radar at that time.

Oct 3, 2019 - 8:52:53 PM

bitman

USA

8 posts since 9/1/2019

Just plain old Christian here.

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